What to Expect from Old Windows PC's(cheapskatesguide.org)
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What to Expect from Old Windows PC's
https://cheapskatesguide.org/articles/end-of-life.html
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The focus here is on laptops. On mainstream commodity desktop hardware, Windows 10 long term support is a lot better than this article suggests. I just threw out a thirteen year old Xeon system (Dell Precision) that had been my daily (updated) Windows 10 machine including Zoom calls and playing NMS until mid Jan 2021. I think I paid about £200 for it 4-5 years ago.
How do you get the LSTB branch legally (or at least reliably)? Last time I checked, the license price would cost more than the price you paid for that PC.
I'm running LSTB on my gaming machine and have to reinstall the evaluation version every 90 days to work around that.
I'm running LSTB on my gaming machine and have to reinstall the evaluation version every 90 days to work around that.
I meant long term support in general but I was not specifically running LSTB. It ran vanilla W10 Pro installed by the reseller. I found much later it was not even an OEM license so not a bad deal - effectively the machine was free. The world must be awash with W10 licenses.
It's interesting that, while a completely different world, Unix workstations are still somewhat useful. They'll happily run things like Emacs, let you ssh anywhere, and even run some apps over X (although modern Unix graphical apps can stress the network when running remotely). Last time I tried, Eclipse and NetBeans worked fine over a 10Mbps link.
The article discusses post end-of-support for Windows machines.
> [Microsoft Surface devices get] firmware and driver updates for about four years after they are first released. This is a little better than Chromebooks and a little worse than Apple computers.
My iPhone 5s received a system software update a few days ago. I was not expecting support for iOS 12.
> Before Windows 10, Microsoft usually supported each version of Windows for about three to five years.
Fact is that Windows lasts a really long time. While I realize that corporate support contracts are a different world, Windows XP lasted forever.
Is 3 to 5 years of updates a reasonable expectation? What do people expect from (for example) Wal Mart laptops?
> [Microsoft Surface devices get] firmware and driver updates for about four years after they are first released. This is a little better than Chromebooks and a little worse than Apple computers.
My iPhone 5s received a system software update a few days ago. I was not expecting support for iOS 12.
> Before Windows 10, Microsoft usually supported each version of Windows for about three to five years.
Fact is that Windows lasts a really long time. While I realize that corporate support contracts are a different world, Windows XP lasted forever.
Is 3 to 5 years of updates a reasonable expectation? What do people expect from (for example) Wal Mart laptops?
3-5 years I guess is a reasonable expectation, but all of the windows devices I have, have lasted longer than that. And keep lasting.
My Surface Pro 3 is coming up on 6 years, and my XPS 13 is close to 7. And the thing is; I can see ZERO reasons to upgrade. Both devices still have good battery life, and are perfectly fast for any day-to-day jobs I do, including running Visual Studio. I even use my surface for music production and it packs plenty of oomph.
PC improvements have slowed down so much in the last decade, it used to be that every 2-3 years a new computer would run circles around your old hardware. not so anymore.
My main PC, a desktop tower I built in 2013, has received only a handful of upgrades since I built it. A new SSD in 2015, a 2060RTX last year, and just now I bought an NVMe PCIe adapter and a 1tb drive. This thing is basically "top of the line" despite sporting a an almost 8 years old i7 Extreme 4930k.
My Surface Pro 3 is coming up on 6 years, and my XPS 13 is close to 7. And the thing is; I can see ZERO reasons to upgrade. Both devices still have good battery life, and are perfectly fast for any day-to-day jobs I do, including running Visual Studio. I even use my surface for music production and it packs plenty of oomph.
PC improvements have slowed down so much in the last decade, it used to be that every 2-3 years a new computer would run circles around your old hardware. not so anymore.
My main PC, a desktop tower I built in 2013, has received only a handful of upgrades since I built it. A new SSD in 2015, a 2060RTX last year, and just now I bought an NVMe PCIe adapter and a 1tb drive. This thing is basically "top of the line" despite sporting a an almost 8 years old i7 Extreme 4930k.
The article seems to think that the support period for Windows is "3 to 5 years". It's really 10.
Microsoft offers 5 years of "mainstream" support, where the OS can get feature enhancements and so on, plus an additional 5 years of security and critical bug fixes.
All versions of Windows since Windows XP have seen at least 10 years of support, which makes a lot of this article obsolete.
Someone could have got their PC with Windows 7 in 2009, had a free upgrade to Windows 10 and can get updates until at least 2025.
Microsoft offers 5 years of "mainstream" support, where the OS can get feature enhancements and so on, plus an additional 5 years of security and critical bug fixes.
All versions of Windows since Windows XP have seen at least 10 years of support, which makes a lot of this article obsolete.
Someone could have got their PC with Windows 7 in 2009, had a free upgrade to Windows 10 and can get updates until at least 2025.
You may also be told that your version of Windows was licensed for your hard drive, not for your computer;
This may be what was intended, but I have often replaced hard drives and worked the 'Recovery Disk Magic' with them without any issues whatsoever. [apart from the glacial speed of the recovery software - but I assume that there is a sector-by-sector check of the hard drive in there as well]
This may be what was intended, but I have often replaced hard drives and worked the 'Recovery Disk Magic' with them without any issues whatsoever. [apart from the glacial speed of the recovery software - but I assume that there is a sector-by-sector check of the hard drive in there as well]
Was happy to find a Dell Latitude in there. The magnesium chassis plays a large roll in protecting those old motherboards from flex. Combined with a docking station, the latest model that would fit the bill for my use would be a m4800.
Mary Jo Foley said recently ....
Now there's a blast from the past. I haven't heard of her since around 2001, during Microsoft's heyday.
Now there's a blast from the past. I haven't heard of her since around 2001, during Microsoft's heyday.
This would be news to me. Windows 10 version 2004 requires an x86/x64 CPU that is 1Ghz or higher. If you install the x86 version, you should be able to install on P4 systems that are closing in on 20 years old.
The biggest upcoming change looks to be completely dropping support for x86 (Microsoft dropped support for x86 with OEM installs in 2020). That should still leave CPUs going back to the Core 2 Duo era (and some P4 processors) compatible. That's still 15 year old computers that can run Windows 10 in 2021 with the latest updates.
I have core i5-2500 computers at work that have no problem running Windows. With the slowing of Moore's law these machines are maybe half the speed of the fastest you can get today, but not really noticeable for basic usage and web browsing. The best upgrade you can make is going to SSD, if you haven't done so already.