Ask HN: How to Ask for a Raise?
I got a better offer from another company, However I have a lot of unvested stock. I Don't know what stock market will be in a few years, and my current employer has been good to me. However I would like to get more guaranteed money. What is the best way to do this without burning bridges as I likely won't quit because financially it might not make sense.
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It seems like you're anxious because you assume that asking for a raise is like burning a bridge with your employer. They don't see it that way: they'll just say "we can't justify increasing your salary at this time", or more likely they'll offer you a small raise (less than you want), since it costs them so little to do so.
They'll never say "how dare you even ask that! get out of here!". They'll never say "hmmm, who should we lay off? probably that ungrateful so-and-so who had the temerity to ask for more money". They'll just say yes, or no, and move on.
(Negotiating the amount of the raise is an "advanced" problem. I've never done it myself, though I've heard tales of legendary figures who have accomplished this epic feat)
Just be polite, state your case, but do not make an ultimatum like "I have another job lined up if you say no," because that tells them you're looking to leave, and they might just give you that raise just long enough to find a replacement while you finish up the work you're doing right now.
I would make the case to your manager, phrasing it in terms of how you've made exceptional contributions that earned the business more money, and that in so doing you took on responsibilities above your stated job description.
They'll never say "how dare you even ask that! get out of here!". They'll never say "hmmm, who should we lay off? probably that ungrateful so-and-so who had the temerity to ask for more money". They'll just say yes, or no, and move on.
(Negotiating the amount of the raise is an "advanced" problem. I've never done it myself, though I've heard tales of legendary figures who have accomplished this epic feat)
Just be polite, state your case, but do not make an ultimatum like "I have another job lined up if you say no," because that tells them you're looking to leave, and they might just give you that raise just long enough to find a replacement while you finish up the work you're doing right now.
I would make the case to your manager, phrasing it in terms of how you've made exceptional contributions that earned the business more money, and that in so doing you took on responsibilities above your stated job description.
You can gather all your achievements and additional responsibilities that you have taken for the past year, and show it to your boss. It may help to also build a case by getting the market rate for your role. Bring it to your boss nicely and tell him that you like working here but you feel that you deserve a raise of x amount. Then let him respond.
This is essentially a negotiation, and I can't distill all of negotiation theory into a few hundred words, but here's a bit of advice.
Two (and a half) things:
1) This is more of a "how to approach the conversation" piece of advice... Don't ask for a raise. Tell them it's time for a raise. There's a small distinction here, but it boils down to power dynamics. If you ask for a raise, you're essentially making yourself powerless before their mercy. Instead, frame it not as a request but as an acknowledgement. "I've worked here for X years, I've accomplished A, B, and C projects. I've mentored Y engineers. It is time to discuss compensation adjustments to acknowledge my contributions to the company and my own growth as a team member. Based on market rates, a reasonable raise would be N% or $M dollars."
Be calm. Be respectful. Be firm. This should not be an adversarial conversation. You are both working together to figure out how to reach an agreement that provides mutual benefits to both sides. Be open and honest with your facts. You aren't asking them to do anything unreasonable, you are simply updating their priors about the value that you have to the business. Don't use words like "I think" or "I believe" or "I feel". Just state facts. If they push back, you can counter with more facts or by restating the facts. State your facts and then wait for them to respond. Use awkward silence to your advantage.
2) One thing you'll need to understand what your BATNA is. BATNA stands for "Best Alternative To No Agreement." In other words, let's say they refuse. What are your alternatives? You have another job offer. So if they refuse, you can quit. That's a pretty strong position to be in.
(Side note: I would not bring up the offer until they refuse, though. You don't want them to think you were looking around if you wind up staying. But if they decline to give you a raise, you should bring it up as leverage. That said, if they decline and you bring it up and they then give you the raise, you are now in an awkward position where they now view you as a flight risk and it may be worth keeping you around until they can hire a replacement, and... well, that's not good. Something to think about.)
But let's say that you actually don't want to accept that offer. What happens if your boss refuses to give you a raise? Are you just going to smile and say thank you and suck it up and stay? What are your alternatives? Could you keep this job but just come in a little later and leave a little earlier so they don't notice but you get some more time back in your life? Can you work on cooler projects? I don't know what this best alternative might be, but this is worth thinking about. What's the BEST alternative that you have... and then never accept any less than that.
It's also worth considering your employer's BATNA. What's their best alternative if you quit? They'll have to hire someone else. How much will that cost them, in money spent, time, and opportunity costs? Probably more than it would cost to give you a raise and keep you happy. It would be far cheaper and easier to give you an extra 10K than to spend weeks or months hiring someone new. (One of the keys to negotiating is to figure out your own strategy -- and also try and figure out what their strategy would be!)
bonus thing 2.5) Make sure you also do the above negotiations with the new offer! Your BATNA for the new offer is "I already have a nice job and I just got offered a raise"! You now have agency and power with the new company, and you can go back and say "Hey, you offered me $X, but based on market rates and my skill sets, updating the offer to $X+15K + Y more vacation days would cause me to stop looking around and sign right now." If they decline to move on that (they'll move a _little_, I'm sure), then you can either accept the already-better-than-your-current-job offer, or you can decline and stay where you are. You're in a safe position here! Worst case scenario, you keep your current job, which you seem fine with!
For more reading on negotiating salary (applies to raises as well), I can't recommend patio11's blog post enough: https://www.kalzumeus.com/2012/01/23/salary-negotiation/
Two (and a half) things:
1) This is more of a "how to approach the conversation" piece of advice... Don't ask for a raise. Tell them it's time for a raise. There's a small distinction here, but it boils down to power dynamics. If you ask for a raise, you're essentially making yourself powerless before their mercy. Instead, frame it not as a request but as an acknowledgement. "I've worked here for X years, I've accomplished A, B, and C projects. I've mentored Y engineers. It is time to discuss compensation adjustments to acknowledge my contributions to the company and my own growth as a team member. Based on market rates, a reasonable raise would be N% or $M dollars."
Be calm. Be respectful. Be firm. This should not be an adversarial conversation. You are both working together to figure out how to reach an agreement that provides mutual benefits to both sides. Be open and honest with your facts. You aren't asking them to do anything unreasonable, you are simply updating their priors about the value that you have to the business. Don't use words like "I think" or "I believe" or "I feel". Just state facts. If they push back, you can counter with more facts or by restating the facts. State your facts and then wait for them to respond. Use awkward silence to your advantage.
2) One thing you'll need to understand what your BATNA is. BATNA stands for "Best Alternative To No Agreement." In other words, let's say they refuse. What are your alternatives? You have another job offer. So if they refuse, you can quit. That's a pretty strong position to be in.
(Side note: I would not bring up the offer until they refuse, though. You don't want them to think you were looking around if you wind up staying. But if they decline to give you a raise, you should bring it up as leverage. That said, if they decline and you bring it up and they then give you the raise, you are now in an awkward position where they now view you as a flight risk and it may be worth keeping you around until they can hire a replacement, and... well, that's not good. Something to think about.)
But let's say that you actually don't want to accept that offer. What happens if your boss refuses to give you a raise? Are you just going to smile and say thank you and suck it up and stay? What are your alternatives? Could you keep this job but just come in a little later and leave a little earlier so they don't notice but you get some more time back in your life? Can you work on cooler projects? I don't know what this best alternative might be, but this is worth thinking about. What's the BEST alternative that you have... and then never accept any less than that.
It's also worth considering your employer's BATNA. What's their best alternative if you quit? They'll have to hire someone else. How much will that cost them, in money spent, time, and opportunity costs? Probably more than it would cost to give you a raise and keep you happy. It would be far cheaper and easier to give you an extra 10K than to spend weeks or months hiring someone new. (One of the keys to negotiating is to figure out your own strategy -- and also try and figure out what their strategy would be!)
bonus thing 2.5) Make sure you also do the above negotiations with the new offer! Your BATNA for the new offer is "I already have a nice job and I just got offered a raise"! You now have agency and power with the new company, and you can go back and say "Hey, you offered me $X, but based on market rates and my skill sets, updating the offer to $X+15K + Y more vacation days would cause me to stop looking around and sign right now." If they decline to move on that (they'll move a _little_, I'm sure), then you can either accept the already-better-than-your-current-job offer, or you can decline and stay where you are. You're in a safe position here! Worst case scenario, you keep your current job, which you seem fine with!
For more reading on negotiating salary (applies to raises as well), I can't recommend patio11's blog post enough: https://www.kalzumeus.com/2012/01/23/salary-negotiation/