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exactly. people who demand "defund the police" are the ones living in rich white neighborhood
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Gosh, where to begin.
This was written in 2020, a time in which a conservative US President was planning to unleash the military on protestors, had installed a friendly DOJ head who was actively undermining an investigation of the POTUS, and who would later whip up his cronies and followers to attack the US legislature the following year....
...but the real problem is that young people believe that the world should be a fairer place? That people might be upset because police feel they have a right to kill others in the street? That protestors might think that one should be judged on one's actions rather than an unchangeable quality within themselves such as their skin colour, parentage or sexual preference?
This was written in 2020, a time in which a conservative US President was planning to unleash the military on protestors, had installed a friendly DOJ head who was actively undermining an investigation of the POTUS, and who would later whip up his cronies and followers to attack the US legislature the following year....
...but the real problem is that young people believe that the world should be a fairer place? That people might be upset because police feel they have a right to kill others in the street? That protestors might think that one should be judged on one's actions rather than an unchangeable quality within themselves such as their skin colour, parentage or sexual preference?
>...but the real problem is that young people believe that the world should be a fairer place?
A common argument with this statement is that a lot of the behavior coming out of all of this doesn't align with the sentiment.
As mentioned in the article and found elsewhere are many instances where people have been "called-out" or "canceled" followed by incessant attempts to cause harm such as contacting the university at which they were just accepted to ultimately be rejected; pressuring their employer until they're fired; "doxing"[0] on social media, leading to, among other things, death threats, obscene messages, having a SWAT team arrive at their home; etc. These actions leave little room for an opportunity to hear their story or for them to make their statement of apology or be given time to adjust their behavior. These people aren't just being made aware of their otherwise inappropriate behavior, they're having the rest of their lives ruined. Some folks don't think that's fair and I have a hard time disagreeing with them.
I often see examples here on this message board of people being shut out of conversation by being flagged or down-voted to such an extent their message is no longer readable (without further action). This same behavior is seen in "real life" when people aren't given the opportunity speak or defend themselves in the proverbial public square.
I share the desire for a more fair and cohesive society. It's because of that it upsets me to see this otherwise unfair behavior potentially impeding progress toward that goal.
[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxing
A common argument with this statement is that a lot of the behavior coming out of all of this doesn't align with the sentiment.
As mentioned in the article and found elsewhere are many instances where people have been "called-out" or "canceled" followed by incessant attempts to cause harm such as contacting the university at which they were just accepted to ultimately be rejected; pressuring their employer until they're fired; "doxing"[0] on social media, leading to, among other things, death threats, obscene messages, having a SWAT team arrive at their home; etc. These actions leave little room for an opportunity to hear their story or for them to make their statement of apology or be given time to adjust their behavior. These people aren't just being made aware of their otherwise inappropriate behavior, they're having the rest of their lives ruined. Some folks don't think that's fair and I have a hard time disagreeing with them.
I often see examples here on this message board of people being shut out of conversation by being flagged or down-voted to such an extent their message is no longer readable (without further action). This same behavior is seen in "real life" when people aren't given the opportunity speak or defend themselves in the proverbial public square.
I share the desire for a more fair and cohesive society. It's because of that it upsets me to see this otherwise unfair behavior potentially impeding progress toward that goal.
[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxing
LOL @ taking an Unherd article seriously. What's next? Epoch Times? OANN?
I'm probably an idiot for trying to write a response to it. I have no idea who this site is. I really want there to be a better way to understand the sites I read.
There's a semi-steady stream of Bari Weiss's new site that get posted here, & likewise, I just want there to be some kind of like social radar system, some way people can be warned, not to (like I just did in my comment) engage as though it's a neutral source they're engaging with. Beware!!! Bias alert!!
There's a semi-steady stream of Bari Weiss's new site that get posted here, & likewise, I just want there to be some kind of like social radar system, some way people can be warned, not to (like I just did in my comment) engage as though it's a neutral source they're engaging with. Beware!!! Bias alert!!
back when that Google guy got fired for voicing a non-PC opinion is when I first realized the Cultural Revolution had started
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Yeah well that cultural revolution got taken over fairly quickly & subverted, turned into a stunning anti-revolutionary authoritarianism & wiped from the mind of the people. I dont think you'll see American's cultural revolutionary hopes subverted anywhere so quickly, nor do I think we'll see them given ability to take root so strongly in the first place. This article focuses only on the revolutionary part, but ignores so much of what happened after, how quickly things re-set, changed back, ignores how anti-revolutionary China became & how harshly & quickly the country snapped back.
There's a lot of decent history of China, with a surprisingly good variety of footage & audio mixed in, in Adam Curtis's recent (fantastic) Can't Get You Out Of My Head[1]. It's possibly one of the best tellings of the past ~70 years that's out there. It does such an incredible job describing how power gels, how it forms & defends it's turf. The story of China's revolution & it's rapid counter-revolutionary burying of that past is a huge theme through the series, especially as it relates to the industrial developments of the rest of the world.
The article here isn't much into all that. It's harping a lot on the very narrow window of revolutionary tumult. And throwing mud at those who would try to improve things, those who ask for change. It's a pitch for stability, for order, for respecting the 1% and 0.1% whatever the situation. It does detail the dehumanization, shows a rampant out of control anti-elite behavioralism, but ignores the deep iniquities & injustices suffered in America & instead compares the current activist protestors to the brutal violent deeply demeaning revolutionary politics, which seems completely batshit out of line insane. It's filled with Fear Uncertainty & Doubt, ultra-conservatism, messages like "Mobs have a logic of their own," meant to let the audience see those asking not to be the victims of endless police brutality as nothing more than a bunch of insurrectionist out of control threats.
I really really really dislike the gist of this article, in almost every way. I think there are probably some lessons, some things we could learn. But this feels like an incredibly sloppy onsided ultra-biased article, that links radically radically different situations through extremely tenuous connections. I don't like the axe this dude is grinding, and I don't think his so called lessons apply.
[1] https://thoughtmaybe.com/cant-get-you-out-of-my-head/
There's a lot of decent history of China, with a surprisingly good variety of footage & audio mixed in, in Adam Curtis's recent (fantastic) Can't Get You Out Of My Head[1]. It's possibly one of the best tellings of the past ~70 years that's out there. It does such an incredible job describing how power gels, how it forms & defends it's turf. The story of China's revolution & it's rapid counter-revolutionary burying of that past is a huge theme through the series, especially as it relates to the industrial developments of the rest of the world.
The article here isn't much into all that. It's harping a lot on the very narrow window of revolutionary tumult. And throwing mud at those who would try to improve things, those who ask for change. It's a pitch for stability, for order, for respecting the 1% and 0.1% whatever the situation. It does detail the dehumanization, shows a rampant out of control anti-elite behavioralism, but ignores the deep iniquities & injustices suffered in America & instead compares the current activist protestors to the brutal violent deeply demeaning revolutionary politics, which seems completely batshit out of line insane. It's filled with Fear Uncertainty & Doubt, ultra-conservatism, messages like "Mobs have a logic of their own," meant to let the audience see those asking not to be the victims of endless police brutality as nothing more than a bunch of insurrectionist out of control threats.
I really really really dislike the gist of this article, in almost every way. I think there are probably some lessons, some things we could learn. But this feels like an incredibly sloppy onsided ultra-biased article, that links radically radically different situations through extremely tenuous connections. I don't like the axe this dude is grinding, and I don't think his so called lessons apply.
[1] https://thoughtmaybe.com/cant-get-you-out-of-my-head/
History rhymes indeed