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This was from 2013. The general climate here has turned pretty hostile to startups since then. The prevailing advice here is now to land a FAAMG job and slack off with a high standard of living, rather than slaving away at a startup to boost someone else’s capital. What remains is people sharing their side projects, going off-topic and wasting their time one way or another.
> The general climate here has turned pretty hostile to startups since then. The prevailing advice here is now to land a FAAMG job and slack off with a high standard of living
Some times I stumble upon really old HN threads in Google searches and end up missing the quality of old HN discourse. It was never perfect, of course. Nor is the modern version without upsides, as there are often good pieces of wisdom if you sift through enough noise in the comments.
However, modern HN just feels so deeply cynical, angry, and negative with much less of the entrepreneurial tech optimism of the older posts. It’s also starting to feel weirdly disconnected from reality in the way that the extremes of Twitter, Reddit, and Facebook have become echo chambers after consuming non-stop bad news. It’s like people read so many outrage tech stories here that they forget there is an upside to the tech industry.
Big Tech hangs in a weird balance where we’re simultaneously supposed to hate and distrust FAANG companies but also at the same time we’re told to seek out FAANG jobs where we can maximize compensation.
The key to enjoying HN is to ignore any thread remotely related to politics, FAANG, social media, economics (where the comments are actually just about politics), drugs, or open-source drama.
Sadly, the most interesting content links (great blog posts, writings, knowledge, new projects, and so on) generally get fewer upvotes than outrage topics. I try to make a point of actively upvoting the content I want to see here every time I visit.
Some times I stumble upon really old HN threads in Google searches and end up missing the quality of old HN discourse. It was never perfect, of course. Nor is the modern version without upsides, as there are often good pieces of wisdom if you sift through enough noise in the comments.
However, modern HN just feels so deeply cynical, angry, and negative with much less of the entrepreneurial tech optimism of the older posts. It’s also starting to feel weirdly disconnected from reality in the way that the extremes of Twitter, Reddit, and Facebook have become echo chambers after consuming non-stop bad news. It’s like people read so many outrage tech stories here that they forget there is an upside to the tech industry.
Big Tech hangs in a weird balance where we’re simultaneously supposed to hate and distrust FAANG companies but also at the same time we’re told to seek out FAANG jobs where we can maximize compensation.
The key to enjoying HN is to ignore any thread remotely related to politics, FAANG, social media, economics (where the comments are actually just about politics), drugs, or open-source drama.
Sadly, the most interesting content links (great blog posts, writings, knowledge, new projects, and so on) generally get fewer upvotes than outrage topics. I try to make a point of actively upvoting the content I want to see here every time I visit.
>However, modern HN just feels so deeply cynical, angry, and negative with much less of the entrepreneurial tech optimism of the older posts. It’s also starting to feel weirdly disconnected from reality in the way that the extremes of Twitter, Reddit, and Facebook have become echo chambers after consuming non-stop bad news. It’s like people read so many outrage tech stories here that they forget there is an upside to the tech industry.
I dunno, I think the current atmosphere is more closely aligned with the zeitgeist of society writ large than it was previously.
That famed entrepreneurial optimism was born of a belief that technology is inherently good, and that startups can change the world.
The veil has been lifted and we see that most startups, internet startups in particular, exist to provide lucrative exits for the owners while abusing their users by harvesting data and selling ads.
The promise of a tech-led utopia is a hollow farce. It's a facade for the surveillance dystopia that big Internet companies are creating.
With every iteration, user experience takes a back seat to developer convenience, and devices are more powerful yet feel sluggish because of the mountains of shitty abstraction layers piled on. The companies that wield inordinate power are giant faceless corporations acting with impunity and whose decisions have no recourse.
Being a tech user is an exercise in frustration. The world sucks and Tech is making it worse.
I dunno, I think the current atmosphere is more closely aligned with the zeitgeist of society writ large than it was previously.
That famed entrepreneurial optimism was born of a belief that technology is inherently good, and that startups can change the world.
The veil has been lifted and we see that most startups, internet startups in particular, exist to provide lucrative exits for the owners while abusing their users by harvesting data and selling ads.
The promise of a tech-led utopia is a hollow farce. It's a facade for the surveillance dystopia that big Internet companies are creating.
With every iteration, user experience takes a back seat to developer convenience, and devices are more powerful yet feel sluggish because of the mountains of shitty abstraction layers piled on. The companies that wield inordinate power are giant faceless corporations acting with impunity and whose decisions have no recourse.
Being a tech user is an exercise in frustration. The world sucks and Tech is making it worse.
The zeitgeist of society writ large sucks. This has been true in almost every society in almost every era. It's not a happy thing to align oneself with.
The bubbles of optimistic outliers are the places that affect society writ large. That's where to be.
The bubbles of optimistic outliers are the places that affect society writ large. That's where to be.
And when those optimistic outliers are intended to validate and glorify the folks who are out to sell ads or your data?
What a boring trope. electric car companies, hardware companies in general, b2b companies, eink, pinephone, etc, etc.
These companies come across here every day. If you think everything is about selling user data you aren’t paying attention.
These companies come across here every day. If you think everything is about selling user data you aren’t paying attention.
Optimism and pessimism are both biases. Technology is amoral, and has the potential to be wielded for both 'bad' and 'good' - in whatever moral framework you live by. I think it makes sense to at least be vigilant about emerging and present technologies so that proper attitudes/policies can be developed towards their better potentials, and maybe mitigate some negative outcomes. That's not to say you can't acknowledge the 'good' outcomes.
There's that cynicism again.
Tech has its bad apples, but overall, it's been a huge boost, not only to productivity, but quality of life for everyone.
Just because people are idiots and get off on raging on social media has nothing to do with the tech. "But the algorithms!" Nonsense. People were raging on message boards well before the algorithms, we're just seeing what happens when the internet is expanded to the general public and it's not just nerds arguing over tabs vs spaces or which semiconductor company makes the best processors.
UX has continued to improve year after year, just because your favorite app went to shit says nothing about the industry at large. I can't think of a single example of software that was better in the past vs now.
But go ahead, disconnect from tech, and see what the world was like before it.
Stop using the technological wonder that is Google Maps. Stop using Netflix with its stupendous ability to stream great quality video and audio on a connection that has no business handling it. Don't take advantage of Amazon's same day delivery on an obscure item that you would never find locally. Don't consume the billions of hours of educational videos on YouTube covering any topic you can think of. Give up the ability to connect and stay in touch with any person anywhere via the multitude of social media apps. Give up the ability to know what's happening on the other side of the world, as it's happening. Give up the ability to search for anything you can think of, and find multiple sources of information.
I mean, the improvements in every single industry have been massive due to tech. Anything from ordering food to launching rockets into space has been greatly improved by tech.
Tech has introduced new problems that we must address, but to complain that it hasn't brought forward some utopia you have in your mind, is just unfair.
Tech has its bad apples, but overall, it's been a huge boost, not only to productivity, but quality of life for everyone.
Just because people are idiots and get off on raging on social media has nothing to do with the tech. "But the algorithms!" Nonsense. People were raging on message boards well before the algorithms, we're just seeing what happens when the internet is expanded to the general public and it's not just nerds arguing over tabs vs spaces or which semiconductor company makes the best processors.
UX has continued to improve year after year, just because your favorite app went to shit says nothing about the industry at large. I can't think of a single example of software that was better in the past vs now.
But go ahead, disconnect from tech, and see what the world was like before it.
Stop using the technological wonder that is Google Maps. Stop using Netflix with its stupendous ability to stream great quality video and audio on a connection that has no business handling it. Don't take advantage of Amazon's same day delivery on an obscure item that you would never find locally. Don't consume the billions of hours of educational videos on YouTube covering any topic you can think of. Give up the ability to connect and stay in touch with any person anywhere via the multitude of social media apps. Give up the ability to know what's happening on the other side of the world, as it's happening. Give up the ability to search for anything you can think of, and find multiple sources of information.
I mean, the improvements in every single industry have been massive due to tech. Anything from ordering food to launching rockets into space has been greatly improved by tech.
Tech has introduced new problems that we must address, but to complain that it hasn't brought forward some utopia you have in your mind, is just unfair.
The quality of the service for every one of the positive examples you mention has degraded since the largest firms involved have become effective monopolies that could get away with exploiting either their customers or their labor, or both, while also engaging in anti-competitive practices to destroy real and even potential competitors, destructively capturing large swaths of the free market in the process. The centrality and engagement-driving nature of social platforms, including youtube, have eroded the social fabric and aided the spread of conspiracy theories and political extremism, driven advances in mass-surveillance, or both. All user-generated content platforms have centralized and then adopted abusable automated moderation systems that exacerbate these problems.
Big tech has created some undeniable conveniences, and it provides an endless stream of content that entertains you as it distracts you, as you describe, but if you think that's worth the major problems the consolidation of its power has caused, you're a fool. If you haven't encountered any of the myriad ways in which this, like any consolidation of unaccountable power, is harming people, then you live in a very lucky and ever-shrinking bubble. But perhaps you have, and simply decided that this was the tradeoff for the shiny toys listed.
Maybe humanity will always live in a cycle of worshiping new unaccountable power bases for the scraps they feed them, until the dystopia they create becomes too horrible to bear, and some awful upheaval has to happen to upset it. Maybe this time the combination of surveillance technology and near-total capture of both retail and information sources, is too powerful and this can't be reversed. Maybe the planet will be uninhabitable by the time it can happen.
Big tech has created some undeniable conveniences, and it provides an endless stream of content that entertains you as it distracts you, as you describe, but if you think that's worth the major problems the consolidation of its power has caused, you're a fool. If you haven't encountered any of the myriad ways in which this, like any consolidation of unaccountable power, is harming people, then you live in a very lucky and ever-shrinking bubble. But perhaps you have, and simply decided that this was the tradeoff for the shiny toys listed.
Maybe humanity will always live in a cycle of worshiping new unaccountable power bases for the scraps they feed them, until the dystopia they create becomes too horrible to bear, and some awful upheaval has to happen to upset it. Maybe this time the combination of surveillance technology and near-total capture of both retail and information sources, is too powerful and this can't be reversed. Maybe the planet will be uninhabitable by the time it can happen.
Zeitgeist is caused by the pandemic x social media outrage x hardships due to lost jobs. Everyone is glued to the internet and we've started to form factions.
It's hard to conjecture this, let alone prove it, but a strawman take I feel like is adversarial foreign powers have influenced the social media outrage narratives to destroy the western spirit from inside out. HN is reflecting larger trends. Western spirit was about putting behind differences and doubling down on cooperation. Looking back, from post-WWII to now, I get goosebumps and feel sad that this is what we've become.
Nothing has changed in terms of good vs. evil of technology. Fundamentals are still the same. Not even space exploration has escaped HN's cynicism. It's time for me to move onto some other place.
It's hard to conjecture this, let alone prove it, but a strawman take I feel like is adversarial foreign powers have influenced the social media outrage narratives to destroy the western spirit from inside out. HN is reflecting larger trends. Western spirit was about putting behind differences and doubling down on cooperation. Looking back, from post-WWII to now, I get goosebumps and feel sad that this is what we've become.
Nothing has changed in terms of good vs. evil of technology. Fundamentals are still the same. Not even space exploration has escaped HN's cynicism. It's time for me to move onto some other place.
> It's hard to conjecture this, let alone prove it, but a strawman take I feel like is adversarial foreign powers have influenced the social media outrage narratives to destroy the western spirit from inside out.
Bingo, and I wish more people would realize this. “soviet demoralization” or “ Yuri Bezmenov” for more info.
Bingo, and I wish more people would realize this. “soviet demoralization” or “ Yuri Bezmenov” for more info.
> Western spirit was about putting behind differences and doubling down on cooperation.
Maybe in the movies, but certainly not in real life.
When did this ever happen?
Maybe in the movies, but certainly not in real life.
When did this ever happen?
> However, modern HN just feels so deeply cynical, angry, and negative with much less of the entrepreneurial tech optimism of the older posts
Isn't that a direct reflection of the current state of the tech world? Since the 00's, it has morphed from a rather hacker-friendly, digital far-west into a locked-down plutocracy dominated by a handful of gigantic corporations, whose end-goal are quite often to squeeze every single last bit of personal information or other valuable commodity they can out of, typically, misinformed users.
E.g., despite all the folklore, I feel much better toward 00's ‶Linux is cancer″ MS and their Windows 2000 than toward 2020's ‶We <3 Linux″ MS that just spy on me through Windows 10 and put ads in my start menu.
Similarly, I prefer the 90's ‶we're making expensive and original computers″ Apple to the 2020's ‶we will scan all the photos on your device″ Apple.
And it's not to single these two out, they're just the first examples I'm thinking of. All in all, I just believe the whole digital world is much more hostile now than it used to be, which would, at least partially, account for the growing apathy, cynicism and defiance in the community – it's hard to feel any different when every other week brings a new personal data leak, spyware scandal or privacy-infringement affair, be it corporate- or state-sponsored.
Isn't that a direct reflection of the current state of the tech world? Since the 00's, it has morphed from a rather hacker-friendly, digital far-west into a locked-down plutocracy dominated by a handful of gigantic corporations, whose end-goal are quite often to squeeze every single last bit of personal information or other valuable commodity they can out of, typically, misinformed users.
E.g., despite all the folklore, I feel much better toward 00's ‶Linux is cancer″ MS and their Windows 2000 than toward 2020's ‶We <3 Linux″ MS that just spy on me through Windows 10 and put ads in my start menu.
Similarly, I prefer the 90's ‶we're making expensive and original computers″ Apple to the 2020's ‶we will scan all the photos on your device″ Apple.
And it's not to single these two out, they're just the first examples I'm thinking of. All in all, I just believe the whole digital world is much more hostile now than it used to be, which would, at least partially, account for the growing apathy, cynicism and defiance in the community – it's hard to feel any different when every other week brings a new personal data leak, spyware scandal or privacy-infringement affair, be it corporate- or state-sponsored.
Startup life is considered slavery by HN demographics, so the possibility of upending Big Tech is not even up for discussion anymore.
It's difficult to not feel resentful.
It's difficult to not feel resentful.
I don't think this is completely true.
What HNers often complain about is companies that run "cargo cult" start ups, pretend to be "family" but only one way.
I've been here since at least 2009 according to ny profile.
What HNers often complain about is companies that run "cargo cult" start ups, pretend to be "family" but only one way.
I've been here since at least 2009 according to ny profile.
I'd say that life at startups paying peanuts and expecting rockstars is considered slavery, not startup life in general.
I haven't been browsing this site for more than like a year, but have found it one of the places on the internet where political discourse seems to be relatively tame and good-faith for the most part. I've also learned a lot from the blog posts you mentioned and really knowledgeable comments on them.
Is it really worse now?
Yes, it used to be much more optimistic and less cynical.
As someone who was here since day two of the public launch, I'm not sure how true this is. It's true the conversation has changed, but less cynical? More optimistic?
The cynicism and optimism seems to have stayed more or less constant. The quality of conversation is the problem.
Luckily, quality tends to bubble to the top, barring manual intervention that occasionally makes a few (few) mistakes. So far.
The extremes are true: I've increasingly felt that people here are disconnected from reality in a way not seen in previous years. I'm not quite sure how to put it into words, and it deserves a substantive eloquence beyond my capabilities at the moment.
The cynicism and optimism seems to have stayed more or less constant. The quality of conversation is the problem.
Luckily, quality tends to bubble to the top, barring manual intervention that occasionally makes a few (few) mistakes. So far.
The extremes are true: I've increasingly felt that people here are disconnected from reality in a way not seen in previous years. I'm not quite sure how to put it into words, and it deserves a substantive eloquence beyond my capabilities at the moment.
"I think we're more cynical"
"I think we're less"
"I'd say it's the same"
It should be pretty straightforward to actually figure this out by sampling posts from different HN "eras" and doing sentiment analysis.
What's the standard practice for sentiment analysis these days?
"I think we're less"
"I'd say it's the same"
It should be pretty straightforward to actually figure this out by sampling posts from different HN "eras" and doing sentiment analysis.
What's the standard practice for sentiment analysis these days?
Agreed.
> I've increasingly felt that people here are disconnected from reality in a way not seen in previous years.
Well, I don’t think that is surprising given the rise of popularity of HN. The early days had people interested in startups, and hence their virtues, and later came a large crowd that had some interest in tech but had random alignments.
I feel that human beliefs form a distribution where almost anything will believed by someone, and if you gather a large enough crowd you can find a large cohort that will earnestly believe various nonsense things.
> I've increasingly felt that people here are disconnected from reality in a way not seen in previous years.
Well, I don’t think that is surprising given the rise of popularity of HN. The early days had people interested in startups, and hence their virtues, and later came a large crowd that had some interest in tech but had random alignments.
I feel that human beliefs form a distribution where almost anything will believed by someone, and if you gather a large enough crowd you can find a large cohort that will earnestly believe various nonsense things.
Are there any places similar to HN on the internet where one can find high quality, non political, non religious, non news conversations?
Head over to lobste.rs, not much activity but it fits your description.
HN's political discourse has been quite unpleasant since last couple of years. Used to be quite a gamut of perspectives, now it is completely lopsided.
HN's political discourse has been quite unpleasant since last couple of years. Used to be quite a gamut of perspectives, now it is completely lopsided.
Worth noting you have to be invited to join Lobste.rs (by a current member). I'm not one, but the discussions there are often interesting - IME about half the stories I've seen here first and on those stories in general the Lobsters threads are a bit more technical and a bit more focused.
I quite like the 'what are you doing this weekend threads' it feels very small-community-like. [But that might just be that I've often felt a lack of tech community - as an example, I've used Linux for >20 years and don't have anyone in my life I could have a conversation about it with like you might chat to a neighbour/friend about pruning a tree or fixing your car.]
I quite like the 'what are you doing this weekend threads' it feels very small-community-like. [But that might just be that I've often felt a lack of tech community - as an example, I've used Linux for >20 years and don't have anyone in my life I could have a conversation about it with like you might chat to a neighbour/friend about pruning a tree or fixing your car.]
The political downvoting has also increased dramatically.
> HN's political discourse has been quite unpleasant since last couple of years.
Here we totally disagree.
Before people used to be banned without explanation, some views would be downvoted heavily etc.
Today it is better: there is even room for republican voices as long as they are reasonable.
And yes, I've been here over a decade.
Here we totally disagree.
Before people used to be banned without explanation, some views would be downvoted heavily etc.
Today it is better: there is even room for republican voices as long as they are reasonable.
And yes, I've been here over a decade.
I've been part of this community, and slashdot before it, for more than 20 years. The shifts in attitude are huge.
To start with a tech-focused example: there used to be at least a sizeable minority in favour of GPL licensing, vs. MIT, and people on both sides of the issue had at least some familiarity with it. Today, I see comments where people seem unable to even grasp the idea that anyone would consider the GPL.
Since it's difficult to believe someone would actually forget so much on an issue of importance to them, I believe it's changing audiences rather than the initial audience getting older. Or, alternatively, the tech sector simply expanding by several orders of magnitude, and any people who have been in it being drowned out.
This is somewhat noticeable on issues of social justice: all the major tech companies still have policies to promote participation by groups that were traditionally marginalised. But you wouldn't expect that from the comments here, Gamergate would still be filed in the ethics-in-journalism-dept', if that joke had survived.
It's tame in that people will opine that women are too stupid for IT, but they will do so very politely.
HN moderators are very proud of being accused at roughly equal rates from both of the US political tribes. That's the sort of triangulation leading to false balance even local journalists have managed to pick up over the last decade, where they still exist.
I'd really prefer if they flipped a coin and grew a spine. Is George Soros eating babies or not? Answering that question with a shrug isn't neutrality. For anyone in a position of even minor power over the discourse, it's dereliction of duty.
Practically, it means that any even barely political question on HN is discussed on a level where I could write both sides of the discourse in my sleep. If it's SF housing it's going to be "you don't want homeless people around where you life if you have children" vs. "you do know not all homeless people are violent, right?".
In the process, everyone retreats to their corners. The "virus lab leak" idea, in its first incarnation, was not something I'd be willing to explore, because allowing any possibility of it would immediately be weaponised by people pushing the idea that it was an intentional release of a biological weapon, an idea with completely different ramifications that was, nonetheless, superficially similar and closely linked.
Any tread on COVID is 90% fighting over "it's just the flu" (very beginning), then hydroxywhatever, and lately ivermectinopleasedont. In that regard, I truly doubt the comments are representative of even the readership of HN, let alone the US public, and even less the world's public.
Opinion on "mainstream media" is probably the most out-of-wack compared to opinions generally voiced in polite company. It's enough for a story to be published by the NYT to get a dozen comments often not even arguing that, but assuming everyone agrees with, the idea that everything they write is a lie. This may be an outcrop of the single uniting characteristic of commenters: they love to be contrarian. So much so, on this issue they all agree. "Actually", they tell each other with the mannerisms of a big truth being revealed, "I am much too smart to believe what everyone is believing". And if that means water isn't wet, so be it.
To start with a tech-focused example: there used to be at least a sizeable minority in favour of GPL licensing, vs. MIT, and people on both sides of the issue had at least some familiarity with it. Today, I see comments where people seem unable to even grasp the idea that anyone would consider the GPL.
Since it's difficult to believe someone would actually forget so much on an issue of importance to them, I believe it's changing audiences rather than the initial audience getting older. Or, alternatively, the tech sector simply expanding by several orders of magnitude, and any people who have been in it being drowned out.
This is somewhat noticeable on issues of social justice: all the major tech companies still have policies to promote participation by groups that were traditionally marginalised. But you wouldn't expect that from the comments here, Gamergate would still be filed in the ethics-in-journalism-dept', if that joke had survived.
It's tame in that people will opine that women are too stupid for IT, but they will do so very politely.
HN moderators are very proud of being accused at roughly equal rates from both of the US political tribes. That's the sort of triangulation leading to false balance even local journalists have managed to pick up over the last decade, where they still exist.
I'd really prefer if they flipped a coin and grew a spine. Is George Soros eating babies or not? Answering that question with a shrug isn't neutrality. For anyone in a position of even minor power over the discourse, it's dereliction of duty.
Practically, it means that any even barely political question on HN is discussed on a level where I could write both sides of the discourse in my sleep. If it's SF housing it's going to be "you don't want homeless people around where you life if you have children" vs. "you do know not all homeless people are violent, right?".
In the process, everyone retreats to their corners. The "virus lab leak" idea, in its first incarnation, was not something I'd be willing to explore, because allowing any possibility of it would immediately be weaponised by people pushing the idea that it was an intentional release of a biological weapon, an idea with completely different ramifications that was, nonetheless, superficially similar and closely linked.
Any tread on COVID is 90% fighting over "it's just the flu" (very beginning), then hydroxywhatever, and lately ivermectinopleasedont. In that regard, I truly doubt the comments are representative of even the readership of HN, let alone the US public, and even less the world's public.
Opinion on "mainstream media" is probably the most out-of-wack compared to opinions generally voiced in polite company. It's enough for a story to be published by the NYT to get a dozen comments often not even arguing that, but assuming everyone agrees with, the idea that everything they write is a lie. This may be an outcrop of the single uniting characteristic of commenters: they love to be contrarian. So much so, on this issue they all agree. "Actually", they tell each other with the mannerisms of a big truth being revealed, "I am much too smart to believe what everyone is believing". And if that means water isn't wet, so be it.
Yeah, it is. To put it bluntly, it's a lot of internet boomers venting about how everything is terrible.
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The reduction in optimism may be related to the increased experience with the topics discussed? For example the internet boom of 2000 was caused by hyper-optimism, then people learned to be more moderate and Internet really took off. By comparison, the generation of 2003-2005 was less optimistic, but not in a bad way.
I don't think it was learning to be more moderate, I think niche communities were pervaded with new users, which in turn caused a shift in culture and therefore later developed into new moderation policy. It's also been heavily corporatized as well, there are far less distal independent entities being a "big deal" and more centralization. But I haven't studied the patterns extensively and this is just collective anecdotal assessments of the shifts experienced from 2004 to present.
Not everyone is the same as you. I enjoy immensely reading HN posts and comments related to politics, FAANG, social media, economics (where the comments are actually just about politics), drugs, or open-source drama.
I also like interesting content links (great blog posts, writings, knowledge, new projects, and so on). I don’t get this mix elsewhere and it’s why I come here. Are you in the right community?
My account is now older than a decade so I guess I'm an OG here. (crazy) There's definitely been a big shift over the years. But, I feel like this is just the general state of the world right now.
The entire industry back then was so much more optimistic.
Personally, I only browser: https://news.ycombinator.com/classic
The entire industry back then was so much more optimistic.
Personally, I only browser: https://news.ycombinator.com/classic
Politics should be interesting to a programmer if one can write a program or use data to do something useful. (or talk about doing that) You have to force the conversation in that direction. Like for a chemist everything is about chemistry. They know its not but pretending sure makes things a lot more interesting.
So, is there another place on Internet which is better than HN?
Or we're just getting older. Software tech has become less of a disruptive novelty. Younger generations are entering the scene with different ideals. They desire meaningful capitalism (in a political sense). This also brings new opportunities.
This is my favorite online place to waste time, after all. And yes, I've given up any dreams of starting my own thing. You pretty much just described me, except not FAAMG (but I am happy where I'm at).
I don't mind this description at all (there's a freedom in giving up even just the dream of the hustle).
I don't mind this description at all (there's a freedom in giving up even just the dream of the hustle).
When did FAANG become FAAMG?
When the people who had been laughing at Microsoft for years as being a washed up has-been came to the realization that it currently has a valuation of over $2 trillion and is still growing.
Personally, I still use FAANG and assume the N stands for N\icrosoft.
it's the comment from the recent post "who else would put M in FAANG besides a Microsoft employee?"
It makes some sense - if you replace Netflix with MS, the list will be the 5 largest tech companies. Netflix is only there because of how the term was coined in the first place - FANG (originally without Apple) was a list of stocks that Jim Cramer liked around 2013 and the acronym caught on and evolved from there.
Curious, is Jim Cramer generally respected by the crowd that frequents HN?
Doubtful, but sometimes a good acronym is worth a thousand words.
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I had not come across FAAMG but I like it, even if I have trouble saying it. ("MAGAF"? Hmmm. "GAAMF"?)
Netflix has never been an aspirational overlord type company like the others.
Even though Microsoft is no longer at its peak, its dual presence via OS and cloud keep it in sustainable wannabe overlord position.
Netflix has never been an aspirational overlord type company like the others.
Even though Microsoft is no longer at its peak, its dual presence via OS and cloud keep it in sustainable wannabe overlord position.
Only wannabe? Aside from the niche and premium Apple products, you can't walk into a brick and mortar store and walk out with a PC that doesn't run Microsoft Windows. You also can't run almost any industrial software without Windows. Good luck with any slightly unusual hardware either. Gaming is still mainly Windows based.
They still have a tight stranglehold on desktop computing.
They still have a tight stranglehold on desktop computing.
Most open-source projects exist on Github. VSCode is the best and the most-used IDE. A good amount of code in the future will likely be written using Copilot. Microsoft is a software development productivity behemoth.
VSCode is not an IDE, it’s a text editor.
Chromebooks?
Give Microsoft some credit - they're the second largest company in the world with over $2 trillion market cap. Sure we're not in the 90s anymore and their image, position in the markets and in the zeitgest is a bit different but "not at its peak" is a bit harsh.
As far as acronyms, I like FAAAM (replace Google with Alphabet).
As far as acronyms, I like FAAAM (replace Google with Alphabet).
Microsoft is doing wonderful as a business.
But their #1 stranglehold position in tech went bye bye when they dropped the ball in the OS area by whiffing fantastically several times as mobile rose to dominance.
In cloud they are significant, just not dominant either.
But as a cash cow they are still a king.
But their #1 stranglehold position in tech went bye bye when they dropped the ball in the OS area by whiffing fantastically several times as mobile rose to dominance.
In cloud they are significant, just not dominant either.
But as a cash cow they are still a king.
You assume that their current market position is because they dropped the ball rather than a deliberate choice to step back from being the prominent leader. They're making more money than ever, they've essentially fixed their reputation from the Ballmer years, they can attract top talent, and they can work on projects without massive public strutiny and commentary now. I think it was Microsoft are exactly where they want to be.
> You assume that their current market position is because they dropped the ball rather than a deliberate choice to step back from being the prominent leader.
A business willingly choosing to make less money and get out competed by competitors? Why did they then attempt to create a windows phone then pull it after failure?
A business willingly choosing to make less money and get out competed by competitors? Why did they then attempt to create a windows phone then pull it after failure?
I didn't say they aren't leading. I said they stepped back from being the prominent leader. Microsoft is making more money now than ever. https://www.geekwire.com/2021/microsoft-beats-earnings-estim...
Microsoft wrote down billions of dollars on many attempts at being king of mobile.
These were colossal failures. The fact that they were such a cash generating machine doesn’t imply that they didn’t lose out on being a much bigger business.
They didn’t step back from mobile prominence, they stepped back from repeated mobile failures, licked their wounds, and refocused on other areas because they had lost their chance.
And they knew it.
Of course, every day is a new opportunity. Microsoft seems to be far better managed now.
These were colossal failures. The fact that they were such a cash generating machine doesn’t imply that they didn’t lose out on being a much bigger business.
They didn’t step back from mobile prominence, they stepped back from repeated mobile failures, licked their wounds, and refocused on other areas because they had lost their chance.
And they knew it.
Of course, every day is a new opportunity. Microsoft seems to be far better managed now.
What does them having “more money than ever” have to do with it? Your claim was that the step back from mobile was planned and purposeful no? Why would any company choose to step back from anything?
We call them GAFAM in France.
Clearly it should be GAFAM (pronounced like Batman's eponymous metro).
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When Microsoft started to take Javascript seriously.
When Microsoft resurrected from the dumpster of tech and became proactive again.
where is this advice lol?
Reminds me of when 4chan pretended to be Hacker News.
Thread archive: https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/48696148
HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9788317
Thread archive: https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/48696148
HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9788317
4chan often had(maybe still has, dunno haven't checked up on anons for a while) a fantastic feel for irony, satire and parody(including of themselves). People unfairly disregard the true internet comedy gold that 4chan has gifted to society.
4chan is the single most hostile website to me and people like me. People can't even watch porn there without first stating how much they hate black people.
I don't doubt there are interesting discussions to be had there (it is filled with nerds after all) but the userbase is very clear about who is welcome there.
They're also virulently antisemitic.
I don't doubt there are interesting discussions to be had there (it is filled with nerds after all) but the userbase is very clear about who is welcome there.
They're also virulently antisemitic.
Or maybe you should not take everything you read on the internet so close to heart - plenty of anons are black, Jewish and some are even women. The difference between them and you is that they have a sense of humour.
The culture of 4chan is also self-deprecating, why don't you rise up against that too and say that it's bullying against young un-successful males that can't get girls to stand within 10m distance of them?
The culture of 4chan is also self-deprecating, why don't you rise up against that too and say that it's bullying against young un-successful males that can't get girls to stand within 10m distance of them?
I bet a lot of those 4chan commenters we're HN users or lurkers. The best criticism comes from those closest.
It’s amusing that 4chan is the something awful forum’s fault. I was reminded of this by the phrase “comedy gold.”
moot had a good sense of humor. Maybe he still does. No idea.
When I read the history of 4chan[0] years ago, this story in particular stuck out to me (as being hilarious).
>February 21 - Two discussion boards are added, hosted on 0ch: /amh/ (Anime-Manga-Hentai) and /bbs/ (4chan Discussion). The next day, Censored Vagina makes a newspost announcing that the cost of running 4chan for the rest of 2004 added up to $2,200 and that the money would be needed in donations. The links on 4chan are reflected to link to 4chan.org instead of 4chan.net so that users will not need to write 4chan.org's IP into their hosts file.
>March 1 - moot announces that the site will not be able to continue because the March server bill is too large to pay and that more donations will be required to pay it or 4chan will die. He makes one final request for donations and hopes for the best. According to a news post image about the original /q/, /q/ - Questions was added this day.
>March 8 - After a week-long swarm of donations, moot announces that not only does he have enough money to pay the March bill, but that enough money was donated to keep the site running into 2005. moot thanks all donators and posters and announces that he is currently in "Cancun, Mexico".
0. https://github.com/bibanon/4chan.doc/releases/tag/1.4.3
When I read the history of 4chan[0] years ago, this story in particular stuck out to me (as being hilarious).
>February 21 - Two discussion boards are added, hosted on 0ch: /amh/ (Anime-Manga-Hentai) and /bbs/ (4chan Discussion). The next day, Censored Vagina makes a newspost announcing that the cost of running 4chan for the rest of 2004 added up to $2,200 and that the money would be needed in donations. The links on 4chan are reflected to link to 4chan.org instead of 4chan.net so that users will not need to write 4chan.org's IP into their hosts file.
>March 1 - moot announces that the site will not be able to continue because the March server bill is too large to pay and that more donations will be required to pay it or 4chan will die. He makes one final request for donations and hopes for the best. According to a news post image about the original /q/, /q/ - Questions was added this day.
>March 8 - After a week-long swarm of donations, moot announces that not only does he have enough money to pay the March bill, but that enough money was donated to keep the site running into 2005. moot thanks all donators and posters and announces that he is currently in "Cancun, Mexico".
0. https://github.com/bibanon/4chan.doc/releases/tag/1.4.3
It's not too bad, but I'd only go up to comedy silver.
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> No.48701403, Sat 27 Jun 2015 13:33:02
> Additionally, the following words MAY NOT be used in variable or function names: master, slave, he, him, his.
Prescient.
> Additionally, the following words MAY NOT be used in variable or function names: master, slave, he, him, his.
Prescient.
That 4chan link is full of the vilest antisemtism, racism, etc.
Yep, it's their way of gatekeeping.
What do you mean by gatekeeping here?
They're belligerently racist to keep non-racists away? If so, why not just say they're racist and leave it at that?
They're belligerently racist to keep non-racists away? If so, why not just say they're racist and leave it at that?
Not racists, just others not like them. If you can’t tolerate that talk then you won’t be on the site. It keeps certain types of individuals out.
* I’m not a 4chan user
* I’m not a 4chan user
The vilest? Not even. That was a mild 4chan thread.
>[420 points] Show HN: I ripped off an existing product and added Bootstrap to it
That page is actually pretty funny here and there.
That page is actually pretty funny here and there.
> Anonymous Fri 26 Jun 2015 17:31:37 No.48696861 Report
[200 points] Using machine learning to identify dick pics (facebook.com)
I just came from the “EFF writes a letter to Tim Cook about CSAM” article. I guess we’ve confirmed the parody.
I just came from the “EFF writes a letter to Tim Cook about CSAM” article. I guess we’ve confirmed the parody.
That's hilarious, it's healthy to be able to laugh at yourself. Thanks for sharing!
Not half bad
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not even 5 messages in and there is the first nazi carricature. certified 4chan moment
> Ruby considered harmful
I mean...
I mean...
> A website where unsuccessful entrepreneurs with egos waste time browsing articles and websites, created by wanna-be entrepreneurs with even bigger egos who are trying to build a following.
> A place unknown to financially successful entrepreneurs.
I always thought the bulk of HN was not entrepreneurs but employed engineers, curious minds, etc. Have I been deluded all this time?
> A place unknown to financially successful entrepreneurs.
I always thought the bulk of HN was not entrepreneurs but employed engineers, curious minds, etc. Have I been deluded all this time?
HN is part of Y Combinator (obvious from the URL) so there has always been a bias toward entrepreneurship and startups.
In practice it tends to be mostly content from bored engineers. Any social website like HN is inherently biased toward people with the most time to burn, because they have the most time to post. It turns out a lot of modern engineering jobs have a lot of free time at your desk in front of a computer, so those are the people who post here most.
The actual entrepreneurs are usually too busy to post too much on HN so they aren’t heavily represented. Not absent, of course, but it’s hard to compete with the people who seem to have infinite free time for social discussions.
HN can be interesting, but it’s really difficult at times to separate the signal from the noise. There’s a lot of noise.
In practice it tends to be mostly content from bored engineers. Any social website like HN is inherently biased toward people with the most time to burn, because they have the most time to post. It turns out a lot of modern engineering jobs have a lot of free time at your desk in front of a computer, so those are the people who post here most.
The actual entrepreneurs are usually too busy to post too much on HN so they aren’t heavily represented. Not absent, of course, but it’s hard to compete with the people who seem to have infinite free time for social discussions.
HN can be interesting, but it’s really difficult at times to separate the signal from the noise. There’s a lot of noise.
It has nothing to do with free time. It’s just a numbers game. There are a lot more employees than there are entrepreneurs.
A browser extension with some custom filtering rules could be handy. I'd love to never open another blog post from someone who thinks finding out that becoming internet famous for two days is bad for you is some kind of revolutionary insight and that everyone needs to hear about how stressful it was to be tweeted at a lot.
Count me in that group. I am a refugee from Slashdot, after I had found out I hated their new threading UI.
The original core audience was Paul Graham fans as far as I know. I think I found HN because it was the thing Arc was used for.
I always thought the bulk of HN was tech folks that got too old and grumpy for reddit.
I'm pretty sure there are at least four or five HN users who have a net worth in the hundreds of millions of dollars. We're not all unsuccessful.
judging from the upvoted topics there are probably more marketing/hr/managerial people now than engineers/scientists
Well, Im a shameless imposter masquerading as an employed software engineer. Thats one. Or two maybe assuming you are?
My primary work title is Dad/Homemaker, and I have an interest in software development for improving learning, for one.
> A place unknown to financially successful entrepreneurs.
That's because YC founders fled to Bookface many years ago, YC's internal Hacker News.
A YC founder once saw me browsing HN and said "Huh, are you on Bookface?"
I realized later that he'd never been to HN.
That's because YC founders fled to Bookface many years ago, YC's internal Hacker News.
A YC founder once saw me browsing HN and said "Huh, are you on Bookface?"
I realized later that he'd never been to HN.
Indeed. There is missing representation in conversations here that make those absences conspicuous. You can see a similar effect on, for example, a company Slack channel, and figure out which groups of employees are having the same conversation on a private channel. Nothing wrong with it unless the members of the side group are obliged to participate in general conversation, and they aren’t here.
YC founders haven't "fled" to Bookface (let alone "many years ago") and it's not at all accurate to describe BF as "internal Hacker News".
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22389362
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22389362
I had a reply lined up for you, but I don't want to risk my account yet again.
Nobody who has ever laid eyes on Bookface could possibly believe that it's a replacement for HN. It's a very different scene, more like Craigslist than Reddit. It would be weird to "hang out" there. Nobody has "fled" HN to Bookface.
That’s sad, I wish they were still active here.
We are. Most threads have at least one. I find the longer they have been out of yc the less they are here though
Last I checked, the rate of participation of YC alumni on HN had been stable for many years. It was a couple years ago that I ran the numbers, but I doubt that it has changed much since then.
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That, perhaps, explains the sometimes unexpected anti-business/capitalist comments and sentiment here.
So by bookface you mean a facebook group
I really want to say "yes" and see where the conversation leads.
No, I meant Bookface, YC's internal clone of Hacker News.
No, I meant Bookface, YC's internal clone of Hacker News.
it looks like ripped off an existing product with added Bootstrap to it
I assume facebook will sue for trademark infringement them if they use that name in public
Does Dang moderate Bookface as well?
One thing i noticed is that most of the conversation here feels alien to me.
I think this is because most of the people here are living in California and they seem to have a very particular world view not always compatible or even undertandable for anyone from any other place.
I used to enjoy this website in like, 2015/16 i think, now the topics are not even tech related anymore.
I think this is because most of the people here are living in California and they seem to have a very particular world view not always compatible or even undertandable for anyone from any other place.
I used to enjoy this website in like, 2015/16 i think, now the topics are not even tech related anymore.
Fewer than 10% of HN users are in the Bay Area. I don't know what the number for California is but I'd be surprised if it were above 15%. Half of the userbase is outside the U.S. People make a lot of false assumptions about the demographics here.
HN has always had a mix of topics. That hasn't changed.
HN has always had a mix of topics. That hasn't changed.
Interesting, what is the next highest cohort, though? 10% may still be enough to dominate conversation if its a big enough plurality.
This is a vote-driven website, and while maybe less prone to the bandwagon effects on, say, reddit, it still happens that if a group of people begin to vote up a post or comment, it will have strong momentum to gain further votes.
I've seen you post this verbatim comment before and it always feels a little like a shallow dismissal.
Maybe its worth someone taking the HN Kaggle dataset and doing a keyword analysis. Demographics are one thing, the topics themselves should be studied.
This is a vote-driven website, and while maybe less prone to the bandwagon effects on, say, reddit, it still happens that if a group of people begin to vote up a post or comment, it will have strong momentum to gain further votes.
I've seen you post this verbatim comment before and it always feels a little like a shallow dismissal.
Maybe its worth someone taking the HN Kaggle dataset and doing a keyword analysis. Demographics are one thing, the topics themselves should be studied.
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This is a reflection of how engineers have become aware of the ethical and political effects of their work. To HN's credit the non-technical discussions are of high quality, in general.
From a purely technical standpoint, HN remains the best forum for discovery of new projects and giving feedback to FAANG. (M not so much).
From a purely technical standpoint, HN remains the best forum for discovery of new projects and giving feedback to FAANG. (M not so much).
Huh...could you give examples of what is not compatible or not comprehensible in California, but not elsewhere?
I'd love to know.
I'd love to know.
I mean, it is actually comprehensible but you know, California tech workers live in a monopoly money bubble and they think they know something about how the world works. Also they think that their own "culture" and leftist values are relevant to everywhere in the world even if they cant even point places on a map.
I will get banned if i talk more.
I will get banned if i talk more.
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Just keep it non-political.
I'd like to know what is non-comprehensible. I am an independent - not "right" of "left", and I think that I can understand both sides. And I think that both sides can understand each other, but they just disagree on what the other side wants to do. But that is not the same as incomprehensible.
So, without getting into a political rant, what do you calmly and objectively, with no wrath attached, do you think is incomprehensible to others who don't live in California. And, by the way, I live in California and 100% guarantee you that there's a wide spectrum of people here. Had one guy a few months ago that I was trying to do business with say that if we meet, he doesn't wear a mask. I've talked to a lot of people in California who don't accept evolution and think that the earth was created 6,000 years ago.
And, you talk a place like Texas, supposedly hard red state, but you go to places like Austin, and Austin voted something like 70% for Biden.... I just looked it up just now, and was right - 71% https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/texas/
So I think before Texas and Missouri and all the rest of the red states get their hate on about California, they should first go into all their own blue areas. And, pretty much, the blue areas are mostly university towns. The kids. So, all the red states should start putting all their children who are college students at University of Texas or University of Iowa and all the other university towns into gas chambers or whatever they want to do. Start the hate at home, I always say. Fix one's own home. Kill the kids. Even in harder hard-core states like Mississippi, there are a bunch of counties were at 70% Biden. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-elections/mississippi-... Why bother about California? And, of course, there is a boatload of counties in California that voted 70% for Trump https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/california/
So. What specifically are these things that are incomprehensible to others, that californians do, supposedly. Give me specifics.
I'd like to know what is non-comprehensible. I am an independent - not "right" of "left", and I think that I can understand both sides. And I think that both sides can understand each other, but they just disagree on what the other side wants to do. But that is not the same as incomprehensible.
So, without getting into a political rant, what do you calmly and objectively, with no wrath attached, do you think is incomprehensible to others who don't live in California. And, by the way, I live in California and 100% guarantee you that there's a wide spectrum of people here. Had one guy a few months ago that I was trying to do business with say that if we meet, he doesn't wear a mask. I've talked to a lot of people in California who don't accept evolution and think that the earth was created 6,000 years ago.
And, you talk a place like Texas, supposedly hard red state, but you go to places like Austin, and Austin voted something like 70% for Biden.... I just looked it up just now, and was right - 71% https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/texas/
So I think before Texas and Missouri and all the rest of the red states get their hate on about California, they should first go into all their own blue areas. And, pretty much, the blue areas are mostly university towns. The kids. So, all the red states should start putting all their children who are college students at University of Texas or University of Iowa and all the other university towns into gas chambers or whatever they want to do. Start the hate at home, I always say. Fix one's own home. Kill the kids. Even in harder hard-core states like Mississippi, there are a bunch of counties were at 70% Biden. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-elections/mississippi-... Why bother about California? And, of course, there is a boatload of counties in California that voted 70% for Trump https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/california/
So. What specifically are these things that are incomprehensible to others, that californians do, supposedly. Give me specifics.
Not OP, but the dynamics that quash dissent in these specific areas are still at play even when individuals like you ask for specificity and openness. If your goal is to get at the truth of the matter, you'll probably have better luck discussing with folks 1:1.
I'm neither part of the tech nor startup scene. I'm happy to see more variety in the content, as long as it's high quality and has interesting comments.
To be frank, work is work and I don't care so much to read about it. I care even less about drama at other companies.
To be frank, work is work and I don't care so much to read about it. I care even less about drama at other companies.
Algorithms governing large amounts of information exchange in the world are all developed in California (Twitter/FB/Google) as well.
SV's political culture (and largely America's culture) is being exported to the world at an ever increasing pace: https://www.economist.com/international/2021/06/12/social-me...
Edit: Of course downvotes!
SV's political culture (and largely America's culture) is being exported to the world at an ever increasing pace: https://www.economist.com/international/2021/06/12/social-me...
Edit: Of course downvotes!
> SV's political culture (and largely America's culture) is being exported to the world at an ever increasing pace
The valley's culture has little in common the the rest of America's. It "exporting" its culture to the rest of the US as much as it is anywhere else, though I'd personally characterize it more as imperialism than exporting.
The valley's culture has little in common the the rest of America's. It "exporting" its culture to the rest of the US as much as it is anywhere else, though I'd personally characterize it more as imperialism than exporting.
2021 version would have to include:
Upvote anything with Rust, Go, SQLite, or Haskell in the title; use the words “orthogonal” and “Pareto” as much as possible.
Hate SPAs, Docker, crypto, and someone using the word “crypto” for cryptocurrency.
Upvote anything with Rust, Go, SQLite, or Haskell in the title; use the words “orthogonal” and “Pareto” as much as possible.
Hate SPAs, Docker, crypto, and someone using the word “crypto” for cryptocurrency.
Javascript bad, peak UI was Windows 95, mention screen readers in every post about interfaces
Or the the history of how oracle created a world wide conspiracy to impose Java has a standard , and if they hadn’t done so Haskell/ Clojure / ( Anything that’s not OOP) would be running everything from Operating System to Back End.
That damn Oracle Conspiracy, and OOP !
That damn Oracle Conspiracy, and OOP !
Don’t forget the ever important monthly note taking thread / post where every top comment starts with Roam/Obsidian, followed by org mode, and always ends with a single note text file.
> Anything that’s not OOP
False. We could have had Smalltalk.
False. We could have had Smalltalk.
Hacker News = everything that came after my adolescence is terrible and everyone needs to know that.
Twitter: A rabid pack of shrieking, pitchfork wielding neo-Marxist SJWs ruining people's lives with impunity.
Facebook: their boomer Neo-Nazi anti-vaxxer parents captured by CIA mind-control and agitprop.
Youtube: nothing but low-effort monetized clickbait and also leftist propaganda, because Google.
Instagram: also nothing but low-effort monetized clickbait, but also porn.
Tiktok: CCP propaganda but also for some reason we really like it, at least until the novelty wears off.
Reddit: just mouth-breathing imbeciles posting cat pictures and memes. Good thing we're better than them, and point out that fact to ourselves at every opportunity.
The entire rest of the web: shit, except for 4chan.
Movies: shit.
TV: shit.
Music: shit.
TFA: never bothered reading it, but I'll assume this rant about cultural marxism is relevant.
Books: Do they even still make physical books? I thought paper went obsolete in 2019.
Science: lies, damn lies and statistics.
Media: lies, damn lies and more lies.
Other people: hell.
Emoji: BLIND RAGE
Technology: What is with all these buttons and blinking lights, what does any of this even do? Why would anyone need anything more than a Lisp REPL in a bare terminal?
Code: JAVASCRIPT DELENDA EST. Everything but Rust and Lisp are shit and PHP literally gives you brain cancer.
Society: Ted Kaczynski was right about everything. Burn it all down and return to monke.
Your stupid project: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224
Hacker News itself: used to be good, but now it's turning into Reddit. Who let these people in here? I bet half of them have never even written a compiler.
Twitter: A rabid pack of shrieking, pitchfork wielding neo-Marxist SJWs ruining people's lives with impunity.
Facebook: their boomer Neo-Nazi anti-vaxxer parents captured by CIA mind-control and agitprop.
Youtube: nothing but low-effort monetized clickbait and also leftist propaganda, because Google.
Instagram: also nothing but low-effort monetized clickbait, but also porn.
Tiktok: CCP propaganda but also for some reason we really like it, at least until the novelty wears off.
Reddit: just mouth-breathing imbeciles posting cat pictures and memes. Good thing we're better than them, and point out that fact to ourselves at every opportunity.
The entire rest of the web: shit, except for 4chan.
Movies: shit.
TV: shit.
Music: shit.
TFA: never bothered reading it, but I'll assume this rant about cultural marxism is relevant.
Books: Do they even still make physical books? I thought paper went obsolete in 2019.
Science: lies, damn lies and statistics.
Media: lies, damn lies and more lies.
Other people: hell.
Emoji: BLIND RAGE
Technology: What is with all these buttons and blinking lights, what does any of this even do? Why would anyone need anything more than a Lisp REPL in a bare terminal?
Code: JAVASCRIPT DELENDA EST. Everything but Rust and Lisp are shit and PHP literally gives you brain cancer.
Society: Ted Kaczynski was right about everything. Burn it all down and return to monke.
Your stupid project: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224
Hacker News itself: used to be good, but now it's turning into Reddit. Who let these people in here? I bet half of them have never even written a compiler.
Oof. A lot of truth here.
At least we are self-aware and can have a laugh at ourselves.
At least we are self-aware and can have a laugh at ourselves.
Well, some of us can...
Krapp fully comprehends this world we're in.
> Upvote anything with Rust, Go, SQLite, or Haskell in the title; use the words “orthogonal” and “Pareto” as much as possible.
Don't forget Julia!
Don't forget Julia!
Hate docker? It's overhyped like Rust and Go in here.
"Pareto" is so 2010.
Fair or not, but more and more lately, when searching the web for a useful take on a framework, library, language, or anything else related to computers, I put in a "site:news.ycombinator.com". This way I skip past the multiple pages of blogspam, advertising (disguised or otherwise), and people copying each other's top-ten lists, and might actually see a thoughtful comment or someone's real experience.
In DuckDuckGo, you could use the !hn bang (which takes you to hn's Algolia search page).
Thanks for pointing that out. Can also use the search box at the bottom of HN pages.
We're not _all_ unsuccessful entrepreneurs, I for one am an unemployed programmer!
The first thing I thought was Mark Cuban was the wrong guy to use as an example.
(Always felt Cuban got lucky during the early days of the gold rush. I feel that way about most financially successful people though?)
I think that definition missed a few HN personality types.
It forgot unsuccessful, lonely, egotistical, disenfranchised, shut-in's---like myself.
(Always felt Cuban got lucky during the early days of the gold rush. I feel that way about most financially successful people though?)
I think that definition missed a few HN personality types.
It forgot unsuccessful, lonely, egotistical, disenfranchised, shut-in's---like myself.
The first thing I thought was Mark Cuban was the perfect guy to use as an example.
It made me trigger even more for the exact reason you mentioned.
It made me trigger even more for the exact reason you mentioned.
> Hey Mr. Cuban, did you see that post on Hacker News?
It's amusing that's the supporting point line, because whoever wrote the entry is placing their self in the category they're trying to peg HN with. I was in business with Mark across a bunch of years, he has always had an interest in news, news aggregation sites, information acquisition and delivery in general. He was familiar with Hacker News, including understanding its association with Y Combinator, and he always liked it when BlogMaverick posts hit the front page. He understood its relevance in the tech ecosystem.
For years after Mark set up his venture capital business, he (his team) used Y Combinator's various public docs as the foundation for the investment agreements.
It's amusing that's the supporting point line, because whoever wrote the entry is placing their self in the category they're trying to peg HN with. I was in business with Mark across a bunch of years, he has always had an interest in news, news aggregation sites, information acquisition and delivery in general. He was familiar with Hacker News, including understanding its association with Y Combinator, and he always liked it when BlogMaverick posts hit the front page. He understood its relevance in the tech ecosystem.
For years after Mark set up his venture capital business, he (his team) used Y Combinator's various public docs as the foundation for the investment agreements.
Interesting (also funny), I never thought of HN from that angle. Does this feel true to HN users or is it more a joke?
While I was transitioning to a software job I found myself checking HN a lot because it seemed like a raw discussion forum for what software engineers were thinking / talking about. Seemed better than Reddit. Still haven't found a better alternative.
While I was transitioning to a software job I found myself checking HN a lot because it seemed like a raw discussion forum for what software engineers were thinking / talking about. Seemed better than Reddit. Still haven't found a better alternative.
Such a missed opportunity. There are so many funnier tropes about HN to mock. Personally, I think of HN as a place for software developers to pontificate and nerd-snipe about constitutional law, public health, economics, and more.
From my perspective HN is big enough that you can shape your own experience by what links you are clicking. E.g. I feel I haven't seen that much of the "entrepreneur" aspect, because I don't frequent the typical startup topics much. Instead I'm interested in the more timeless "philosophical" discussions about software engineering in general where I always feel I get something out of it or encounter further readings. Nothing live changing so far, but interesting nonetheless.
I think for some of us remote workers ...
[... Ha, my entire career! So we call it "remote" now? And its considered a progressive perk? Awesome! For decades I just thought I was "working in bed" and it wasn't something to talk about ...]
... really do need a facsimile for interesting and stimulating water cooler conversation. Until I find that place, Hacker News will do!
[... Ha, my entire career! So we call it "remote" now? And its considered a progressive perk? Awesome! For decades I just thought I was "working in bed" and it wasn't something to talk about ...]
... really do need a facsimile for interesting and stimulating water cooler conversation. Until I find that place, Hacker News will do!
I’m sure we’ve all seen posts here from people that make us think very unkindly of the HN culture.
At least the part about wasting time does. Luckily there is the noprocrast option.
It is good humor.
An Onion article would be even greater praise.
On a more serious note, I for one plan on continuing to lurk and comment here until I achieve the unprecedented entrepreneurial financial success that I know my lurking and commenting here more than qualify me for!
An Onion article would be even greater praise.
On a more serious note, I for one plan on continuing to lurk and comment here until I achieve the unprecedented entrepreneurial financial success that I know my lurking and commenting here more than qualify me for!
There is also https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitHNSays/. It's not that active but it has quite a few gems.
Probably my favorite one on there.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25791306
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25791306
I like hacker news for tech news and career subjects, but indie hackers is where the founders seem to hang out. If I need to talk to somebody about bootstrapping, ih is great. A lot fewer technical people though, lots of site builders and no code setups. Hn users can write a bst in their sleep but ih users can make a landing and validate an idea while building a mailing list in their sleep
I think we all make the mistake sometimes of attaching too much weight to the opinions we read online. For some reason I attach more weight to HN opinions but after meeting a few frequent HN posters in real life and seeing recent discussions about vaccines, I no longer do this.
I realize this is a really shitty post and I wish I had the time to rework it to sound less prissy.
I realize this is a really shitty post and I wish I had the time to rework it to sound less prissy.
I find funny because it’s accurate !
99% of entrepreneur fail , that’s literally why it’s hard and why it’s highly respected !
Remember when Tesla almost went Bankrupt ? It’s very like because it happens almost three times... and only now after 25+ years Tesla is making a profit by selling its cars without sorcery finances...
Being an entrepreneur is hard , I love the Tesla example because even if Elon Musk had the vision and a superior engineering delivery , the company was technically a commercial failure for more than a decade.
Being a better than average engineer ( probably a LOT of HN uses ) is unfortunately not enough to become a sucessfull entrepreneur !
99% of entrepreneur fail , that’s literally why it’s hard and why it’s highly respected !
Remember when Tesla almost went Bankrupt ? It’s very like because it happens almost three times... and only now after 25+ years Tesla is making a profit by selling its cars without sorcery finances...
Being an entrepreneur is hard , I love the Tesla example because even if Elon Musk had the vision and a superior engineering delivery , the company was technically a commercial failure for more than a decade.
Being a better than average engineer ( probably a LOT of HN uses ) is unfortunately not enough to become a sucessfull entrepreneur !
Tesla was founded 18 years ago…
I'm aware of the philosophy behind HN and the dictionary entry alludes to this. From my experience it's more focussed on technology and a liking of knowledge in general.
On the other hand, I still find this amusing.
On the other hand, I still find this amusing.
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There’s also a critical HN parody site
http://n-gate.com/hackernews/
Copy paste url as it apparently intercepts the HN referer
n-gate is my favorite read. It restores my sanity.
I'm surprised there is no Encyclopedia Dramatica entry on Hacker News.
This thread! Talking about ourselves in an ironic / un-ironic / post-ironic way. There is room for more meta hacker news.
Perfectly described, now I'll search for WallStreetBets, that I visit very frequently.
I would have been more interested in the Encyclopedia Dramatica page about HN ;)
Seems about right to me.
Entrepreneurs? Dang, I thought this was a forum for programmers.
Haha this is funny. Don't take it so seriously folks ;-)
Isn’t urban dictionary maintained by ESR?
Seems relatively accurate
An accurate definition
> hacker news
Where opinion is being manipulated by the U.S. security/military complex.
Where opinion is being manipulated by the U.S. security/military complex.
everything2 used to be more like that.
can confirm, am unsuccesful