'Polexit': Is Poland About to Quit the European Union?(voanews.com)
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'Polexit': Is Poland About to Quit the European Union?
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Without the EU Poland still wouldn't have the infrastructure and modern roads they have now.
These days it's possible to drive from Germany all the way to Krakow on solid roads.
They would literally miss billions of dollars if they exit the EU. They will never leave it. It's all a facade.
One could comment about Brexit in the same way. There were a myriad of reasons to stay in the EU, which are becoming more apparent each passing week. But good propaganda will help turn the minds of the disillusioned into thinking that there will be nothing but unicorns and chocolate cake for one and all of only the pesky EU wasn't in their way.
Many people in Britain thought they were paying the EU rather than the other way around. "£350m/week" and all that rubbish. The Poles have no such illusions.
I don’t think anybody is as ignorant about an EU exit as we where before BREXIT. I also don’t believe that anti EU and conservative voters are the same in Poland. Peoples politics are only simple in statistics or the media. In real life things get a lot more difficult and that detracts from the “story” somebody is trying to tell.
There was always scepticism in the Uk about the EU, all we ever wanted out of it was free trade, but slowly they were pushing the political union agenda and each successive UK government was slowly accepting it. If any of these agreements were put British public at the time they would have been rejected but they never did. But the resentment against the free movement of EU citizens to the Uk was growing. The game was up when the EU refused to renegotiate with the UK. The main driver for the Brexit victory was immigration and that would still be a problem if the UK rejoined. But now they've left once, the taboo against leaving is gone, and if they dont like it they'll just do it again. We'll never rejoin now. As for the issues from leaving, they're temporary, they may last a couple of years but solving them isnt rocket science and they can be solved with a restructuring of the economy until things settle down.
This is clearly only the opinion of a delusional Tory.
The majority of the public already recognizes brexit as a failure and the numbers who share this view are only increasing. The growing recognition of the scope and breadth of the lies used to sell brexit to the public is now being felt (Farage was always viewed as a liar, but BoJo and Gove are fucked in terms of their long-term reputations.) The UK will soldier on because they are too fatalistic for their own good, but the broader populace has come to realize that the issues are not temporary, are going to last for decades at best, and that many of them will only be solved at great cost. Right now everyone is just waiting for the NI protocol to blow up so that we can see just how few friends the UK really has and learn what if feels like when the US officially turns against us on trade issues.
The majority of the public already recognizes brexit as a failure and the numbers who share this view are only increasing. The growing recognition of the scope and breadth of the lies used to sell brexit to the public is now being felt (Farage was always viewed as a liar, but BoJo and Gove are fucked in terms of their long-term reputations.) The UK will soldier on because they are too fatalistic for their own good, but the broader populace has come to realize that the issues are not temporary, are going to last for decades at best, and that many of them will only be solved at great cost. Right now everyone is just waiting for the NI protocol to blow up so that we can see just how few friends the UK really has and learn what if feels like when the US officially turns against us on trade issues.
Why has it been a failure? Because you say so or because you want it to be one? Scope and bredth of the lies? Like the economy crashing and going into recession the day after we voted to leave?
Soldierning on, you make it sound like the economy has tanked and were in the middle of a massive economic downturn with massive capital flight, high interest rates and hyperinflation.. When in fact the the figures today showed the highest number of unfilled vacancies in 20 years, an economy thats generating so many jobs it cant fill them? Thats failure?
Explain to me exactly why the issues arent temporary, you seem to be utterly convinced of this, even though the logistical issues have only been occuring in the last few months. Explain to me the great cost part of your statement, what great costs? Paying working people higher wages?
As for the NI protocol, it looks like the EU are caving in to UK demands not the other way around , and as for the US and trade issue, they've already started to take trade sanctions off us but have left them on the EU.
That was a democratic decision to leave or did leave "cheat" on facebook and social media? The leader of the opposition who was one of the leading remainers has come to accept Brexit and the fact we're not going back. Delusional you say. You sound very bitter about the UK leaving, but you're going to have to accept it like a mature adult and not sulk about it. Its done, its not going to be reversed, sovereignty isnt going to be handed back to the EU again. There wont be another referendum, we wont have free movement, we wont join the single market or a customs union. You wont have a burgandy passport anymore. And you're a citizen of the UK and not the EU.
As for the NI protocol, it looks like the EU are caving in to UK demands not the other way around , and as for the US and trade issue, they've already started to take trade sanctions off us but have left them on the EU.
That was a democratic decision to leave or did leave "cheat" on facebook and social media? The leader of the opposition who was one of the leading remainers has come to accept Brexit and the fact we're not going back. Delusional you say. You sound very bitter about the UK leaving, but you're going to have to accept it like a mature adult and not sulk about it. Its done, its not going to be reversed, sovereignty isnt going to be handed back to the EU again. There wont be another referendum, we wont have free movement, we wont join the single market or a customs union. You wont have a burgandy passport anymore. And you're a citizen of the UK and not the EU.
It will never happen, the Polish government is essentially posturing, without the EU there would be no transitional funding and you'd suddenly see millions of their citzens being forced to return home with no jobs and very angry.
What is the specific point the Poles are in conflict with the EU? Marriage = 1 man and 1 woman? Only Polish people can make pierogi?
The article wasn’t clear.
From the article
Poland: "judges in Poland's highest court last week ruled that the national constitution had primacy over EU law."
EU: "If we don't uphold the principle in the EU that equal rules are respected the same everywhere in Europe, the whole Europe will start collapsing. That is why we will have to react to this new chapter which the Polish constitutional court started to draw."
Poland: "judges in Poland's highest court last week ruled that the national constitution had primacy over EU law."
EU: "If we don't uphold the principle in the EU that equal rules are respected the same everywhere in Europe, the whole Europe will start collapsing. That is why we will have to react to this new chapter which the Polish constitutional court started to draw."
Right, but what specific rules are in conflict between the Polish constitution and the EU law? Religion, equality, immigration, abortion, taxes, property ownership, ingredients in beer?
The main point of contention is independence of the justice system. EU says Polish law gives the government too much power over justices and that this violates EU treaties about the EU justice system, which require an independent judiciary. Poland says that its constitution doesn't allow the EU to have that power over Poland. (specifically the trigger is some some new-ish committee that is allowed to remove justices from office etc.)
Adding to that — if Poland accepts European law and courts today, then tomorrow it has to accept a European law it didn't write about corruption, or a ruling by European judges who weren't appointed by the accused ministers.
No, they still get massive amount of money from the other European countries