3½ years on my custom emperor mattress – a retrospective(middleendian.com)
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3½ years on my custom emperor mattress – a retrospective
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Before I ever had sex I used to research all kinds of things that might affect how the sex is, including the mattress. Now, married these last 15 years, I can say with confidence that the mattress is one of the least important factors. We're adaptable to just about any soft and spacious surface.
I’ve had the opposite experience as I wouldn’t have guessed beforehand how much the right environment would benefit us. Similar quantity of experience. It’s fun to make your home work better for you.
A waterbed will disabuse you of this notion. Terrible for sex.
This is what preparing in advance looks like.
Sex preppers, preparing indefinitely for something that's unlikely to happen;)
>sex prepper
Thank you for coining the term.
We could also merge two domains of highly hypothetical expectation and call them Temporarily Embarrassed Copulators.
Thank you for coining the term.
We could also merge two domains of highly hypothetical expectation and call them Temporarily Embarrassed Copulators.
Hard beds, like those popular in Asia, definitely do affect matters. But western mattresses are all about the same.
mattress is very important to me. well more so anything but foam, ymmv i guess
> spare coiled sex bed.
Not what I'm used to reading on HN.
Not what I'm used to reading on HN.
My wife and I absolutely call our coil guest bed our sex bed, so he’s right on.
No guests have ever slept in it either, so there’s that. It’s more of a sex and snoring bed.
No guests have ever slept in it either, so there’s that. It’s more of a sex and snoring bed.
Guests currently sleeping in their hosts’ guest beds are now recoiling in horror!
I hope they never sleep in a hotel. Who know what happened there!
Is it really horrific to sleep in a bed where someone had sex?
Seems like a hard question to answer without the kind of survey data that most people do not have.
People are irrationally afraid of being near dried body fluids inside mattresses.
No not at all it was just an easy joke
> Nobody talks of how foam mattresses change the dynamics of sex.
https://www.sleeplikethedead.com/mattress-sex.html
https://www.sleeplikethedead.com/mattress-sex.html
The WSJ also covered this in 2012:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-HEB-49292
https://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-HEB-49292
FWIW I have found latex beds to be the absolute sweet spot between foam and spring. You don’t sink into latex as deeply as foam, it’s much less pronounced (and much more comfortable, in my experience).
The bounce is also not QUITE spring levels but I’d say 85% which I find to be a reasonable compromise.
The bounce is also not QUITE spring levels but I’d say 85% which I find to be a reasonable compromise.
I’m with you on this 100%. Had a latex mattress for four years and loved it. Adopted a barely-used memory foam mattress from a friend when I moved out west and now I’m struggling with thoracic kyphosis and neck pain. I have a large frame and have been bodybuilding for almost a decade, so I really need a mattress that pushes back. Saving up for my next latex mattress but maybe I should build my own?
FWIW I went with a pure latex mattress. Nothing super fancy, I think around $700 out the door. I just made sure it was free of specific chemicals that I can’t remember offhand but research said might be important.
No need to buy layers and such I say go full latex.
No need to buy layers and such I say go full latex.
Huh. My mattress made me sore until I resumed (after a decade hiatus) lifting weights. I used to use all sorts of weird pillow designs, a special one for my knees, another for my upper arm, etc. Then I just stopped needing that stuff.
Latex beds also last a very long time. The topper I have is an ancient ugly teal from decades ago, it’s still in great condition.
I’d agree here. I found the surface rather easier to maneuver around. It’s like it improves agility. Yet it’s soft and doesn’t push back like coils do.
Foam I feel I just feel I sink into a divot and have to lift myself out before moving side to side. Which reduces agility. That feeling is compounded with another body.
Even when agility isn’t the main goal, it’s like you have to work twice as hard with foam and maybe 80% as hard with latex; as compared to coils.
This same sinking/floating type feelings also is the big contributor to why foam is feels so hot to me. It absorbs my heat then engulfs me in it.
Foam I feel I just feel I sink into a divot and have to lift myself out before moving side to side. Which reduces agility. That feeling is compounded with another body.
Even when agility isn’t the main goal, it’s like you have to work twice as hard with foam and maybe 80% as hard with latex; as compared to coils.
This same sinking/floating type feelings also is the big contributor to why foam is feels so hot to me. It absorbs my heat then engulfs me in it.
> I personally don't having sex on a foam mattress
I'm sorry but you personally don't what on a foam mattress? You left out like the most important word of all of your comment. Don't mind, don't like, don't love, don't prefer?
It can be guessed from the context but still.
I'm sorry but you personally don't what on a foam mattress? You left out like the most important word of all of your comment. Don't mind, don't like, don't love, don't prefer?
It can be guessed from the context but still.
One of the (many) things that led me to getting a referral about possibly having ADHD was noticing that my hackernews comments are absolutely riddled with missing words, missing sentences etc. On hacker news that isn't so bad, but when writing in a formal context it is pretty annoying looking like a moron for forgetting a preposition or whatever.
Recently, I even wrote "buy" instead of "by"! Crazy times
Recently, I even wrote "buy" instead of "by"! Crazy times
Only on HN can I encounter an ADHD subthread in a thread about the sexual merits of mattress materials
That would indeed be rather strange in a MatterMost thread at work.
This is a fantastic comment, and so . Thanks for the laugh. :)
[0] the intentionally missing word is "true"
[1] the intentionally missing reference ([0]) is after the word "so"
[2] there are no more omissions
[0] the intentionally missing word is "true"
[1] the intentionally missing reference ([0]) is after the word "so"
[2] there are no more omissions
missing words or mistyping words is more symptomatic of dyslexia then ADHD isnt it? I have some form of dyslexia but i believe its a spectrum disorder and mine is workable so ive never considered medication for it
I don't think eliding words or automatically substituting homophones is a symptom of any disorder, just very common for 'good' typists - good in the sense you don't have to think about the mechanical action of typing or spelling, in the sense you've reducing[1] typing to a sub/unconscious activity.
It's just something occasionally goes wrong with the thought -> word pipeline buffering in the one case. I find the homophone substitution more interesting - I would never, ever make the mistake writing, or if I was paying attention to what I type (I find it happens even more commonly if I'm not paying attention to the window I'm typing on), at some level it seems that the unconscious word-to-keyboard process 'hears' and transcribes somewhat phonetically in a way totally disconnected from my conscious thought process. I find it fascinating I can 'visualize' the spelling of and think a word like, I don't know, 'bare', but my hands, as if completely independent, type out 'bear.'
Another piece is that, if someone talks to me while I am typing, sometimes words from our conversation creep into the text.
Interestingly, I find these mistakes are more common when I am taking stimulants (caffeine) than when I am not.
[1] This is another common mistake I've noticed. I am quite certain I thought 'reduced', but 'reducing' came out anyway. I think this is usually due to me changing the grammatical structure of the sentence midstream; I probably originally thought "you're reducing" instead of "you've reduced", but I typed faster than the thought completed. Maybe this says something about my intellectual capacity. :)
It's just something occasionally goes wrong with the thought -> word pipeline buffering in the one case. I find the homophone substitution more interesting - I would never, ever make the mistake writing, or if I was paying attention to what I type (I find it happens even more commonly if I'm not paying attention to the window I'm typing on), at some level it seems that the unconscious word-to-keyboard process 'hears' and transcribes somewhat phonetically in a way totally disconnected from my conscious thought process. I find it fascinating I can 'visualize' the spelling of and think a word like, I don't know, 'bare', but my hands, as if completely independent, type out 'bear.'
Another piece is that, if someone talks to me while I am typing, sometimes words from our conversation creep into the text.
Interestingly, I find these mistakes are more common when I am taking stimulants (caffeine) than when I am not.
[1] This is another common mistake I've noticed. I am quite certain I thought 'reduced', but 'reducing' came out anyway. I think this is usually due to me changing the grammatical structure of the sentence midstream; I probably originally thought "you're reducing" instead of "you've reduced", but I typed faster than the thought completed. Maybe this says something about my intellectual capacity. :)
ive noticed all(?) of the things you describe here and i find it interesting to see them put into words like that. Curious that you notice that caffeine has an effect too. Something ive never considered before.
also, i tend to agree with your conclusion, i think what i described are normal human errors, not necessarily signs of dyslexia.
also, i tend to agree with your conclusion, i think what i described are normal human errors, not necessarily signs of dyslexia.
Could well be, but it's amongst a bunch of other things as well.
Did the ADHD thing pan out? I do this too.
Apparently I'm going to find out next week. I've been meaning to start a blog (but not started, see the trend?) for a while, so that might be something to record and compare in a year's time.
As a potential ADHD sufferer (hopefully to be diagnosed soon) - if you do, I'd very much be interested in reading about your experience(s).
I call those thinkos. They're weird to notice. Why did my brain do that? Do I do it often? No idea.
I also find myself making these homophone errors or complete word omissions. It has only started happening since I turned 30. As you say, I seem to have zero awareness of them as they are occurring.
I think it is an advanced state of distraction that causes it, a brain unable to really care about anything until the next dopamine hit.
I think it is an advanced state of distraction that causes it, a brain unable to really care about anything until the next dopamine hit.
Even outside of that I don't see how people like foam and super soft mattresses. I find them extremely uncomfortable. Even just rolling over takes a significant amount of effort and they always give me horrible back pain which is something I otherwise never have.
Not all foam is created equal. If you find it hard to roll over, it's probably (in my experience) some fairly high component of memory foam. Latex, on the other hand, is fairly springy and very similar to the traditional beds I used to have, primarily Posturpedic.
There are a lot of foam bed options out there these days, so you have lots of choice. Unfortunately, the composition of them is often not really spoken about, you really have to dig to find them.
FYI: A "memory foam" mattress only tends to have a little memory foam in it.
Most mattresses tend to be a high density foam base (~5"), a lower density foam on top of that (2-3"), and the memory foam or whatnot on top of that (another 2-4"). The more expensive latex beds IIRC are all or mostly latex, but most of the <$1K mattresses are largely high density foam.
~10 years ago I had a memory foam mattress that was comfortable to sleep in, particularly once it had warmed up for a few hours and was easier to move in. I tend to move a lot when I sleep, rolling over regularly. But for sex it was fairly annoying.
I swapped it after a couple years for a new bed, I ended up doing a bunch of research and selected a Leesa, because it seemed to be one of the few that had a latex-like top layer. As I mentioned previously, finding the composition to compare mattresses was fairly hard, the vendors don't really seem to talk about it (circa 7 years ago). On top of that I put a 3" latex topper, because my wife wanted something softer.
There are a lot of foam bed options out there these days, so you have lots of choice. Unfortunately, the composition of them is often not really spoken about, you really have to dig to find them.
FYI: A "memory foam" mattress only tends to have a little memory foam in it.
Most mattresses tend to be a high density foam base (~5"), a lower density foam on top of that (2-3"), and the memory foam or whatnot on top of that (another 2-4"). The more expensive latex beds IIRC are all or mostly latex, but most of the <$1K mattresses are largely high density foam.
~10 years ago I had a memory foam mattress that was comfortable to sleep in, particularly once it had warmed up for a few hours and was easier to move in. I tend to move a lot when I sleep, rolling over regularly. But for sex it was fairly annoying.
I swapped it after a couple years for a new bed, I ended up doing a bunch of research and selected a Leesa, because it seemed to be one of the few that had a latex-like top layer. As I mentioned previously, finding the composition to compare mattresses was fairly hard, the vendors don't really seem to talk about it (circa 7 years ago). On top of that I put a 3" latex topper, because my wife wanted something softer.
The latex foam is not as soft as you're imagining it. It's pretty firm. The buckling gel buckles but it's form fitting. It's hard to describe accurately but it does not feel like memory foam. I used medium-hard foam and sleeping on that combo feels like something that is supportive but also happens to contour to your body correctly.
Just spent 3 nights sleeping on one in a hotel and it confirmed my tester impressions when mattress shopping that it would lead to a bad nights sleep. I'm sure there are maybe some wonderful to sleep on foam mattresses but they all seem spongy and hot to me and those are the last things I want in a mattress.
Keep in mind that memory foam and latex foam are very different from each other. Since I sleep "hot" I don't like memory foam at all, but Talalay latex suits me fine.
There are different firmness configurations of memory foam. Pillow tops will hurt my back.
I prefer a firm that you won't find in 80% of spring mattresses.
I prefer a firm that you won't find in 80% of spring mattresses.
There are high-density foam mattresses which are firmer than most spring mattresses.
I’ve found it depends on the position mainly. The more you thrust vertically (cowgirl, etc), the less satisfying due to less bounce. On the other hand, foam is better for digging in for horizontal thrusting (doggy, missionary).
This is why about 65% say foam is worse for sex than springs, while ~35% say it’s the same or even better.
That said, I just prefer foam for sleeping. Much more comfortable and I wake up feeling more refreshed with no back pain. We keep a separate guest spring mattress bed for sex (and obviously guests). We bought it a year ago and our sex life has never been better but ymmv!
This is why about 65% say foam is worse for sex than springs, while ~35% say it’s the same or even better.
That said, I just prefer foam for sleeping. Much more comfortable and I wake up feeling more refreshed with no back pain. We keep a separate guest spring mattress bed for sex (and obviously guests). We bought it a year ago and our sex life has never been better but ymmv!
> foam is better for doggy
if we're talking about knees on the mattress, I'd say it's still worse... the more cushioning the more the blood flow is restricted, the faster you'll get weak and shaky knees. Just like a too cushioned bike saddle is bad for you crotch area.
if we're talking about knees on the mattress, I'd say it's still worse... the more cushioning the more the blood flow is restricted, the faster you'll get weak and shaky knees. Just like a too cushioned bike saddle is bad for you crotch area.
Remember though my comfort layer is buckling gel so it has less direct contact than regular mattresses!
This is certainly not as squishy as most foam mattresses, it's not memory foam, the materials are pretty bouncy. Plus the buckling gel allows you to have good on-the-fly form fitted gripping locations. So to keep this HN appropriate, I'll just say no complaints here!
I don't find this a problem on foam mattress that aren't overly plush. On the other hand, I find that spring mattresses will occasionally have an undesirable wavelength that isn't conducive to sex.
I much prefer having quieter mattress and strong muscles. Easy enough to get the best of both.
This is the answer: https://www.lazada.sg/products/modern-chaise-longue-balcony-...
They are hard to find, so maybe get one custom made. You'll need a bit of a larger bedroom too. But it's the real deal.
They are hard to find, so maybe get one custom made. You'll need a bit of a larger bedroom too. But it's the real deal.
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I find sex on a foam mattress gives me knee pain. I don't get that with a firmer spring mattress.
In bed? in 2021? Brother it's time to travel.
I totally agree!!! I really prefer some springs under my partner/me compared to foam. Sex is really different on foam.
Just have to say, this comment lead to one of the more unique, yet also on brand, HN threads Ive seen. Bravo.
Waterbeds rule for sex, riding the wave!
no need for a mattress.. try this: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Sex-Adult-game-Hangin...
Yeah but grandma is reluctant to use that when she stays over. Something about her hip.
You know, that was the last thing on my mind when I bought a mattress. It will likely still be the last thing on my mind when I buy the next one
As an entirely subjective point - I went from fully sprung, to a Tempur (all foam) and both had benefits and both weren't 'right'
Currently have a 'Simba' (Just one of the UK's many internet mattress brands) which has coil+foam - https://simbasleep.com/products/mattress and think it gives the best of both worlds.
Sorry, I now realize this sounds like an advert - but I'm fascinated how 'online mattresses' have become 'a thing' Previous online examples (say amazon with books) were just higlighting that online can provide the same item you could checkout offline, for less.
Mattresses should be an item you have to check out in person - but due to the outrageous markups, people will now happily buy sight-unseen online.
Sorry, I now realize this sounds like an advert - but I'm fascinated how 'online mattresses' have become 'a thing' Previous online examples (say amazon with books) were just higlighting that online can provide the same item you could checkout offline, for less.
Mattresses should be an item you have to check out in person - but due to the outrageous markups, people will now happily buy sight-unseen online.
> due to the outrageous markups
Not only that, but traditional mattress shops still use some of the highest pressure sales tactics I've experienced. It only takes once to make you never want to set foot in one again.
Not only that, but traditional mattress shops still use some of the highest pressure sales tactics I've experienced. It only takes once to make you never want to set foot in one again.
It's interesting how entire industries take on a personality. Like, there's plenty of competition or seems to be, and yet pretty much any mattress store you go into feels the same. And if I take my car to a body shop, pretty much any body shop, I almost feel like I need to call the police.
There's no such thing as competition in markets anymore
I actually recently bought a mattress at a local shop for my son, and it was one of the nicest shopping experiences I've had. He kept trying to guide me to the cheaper options because that's all a kid needs.
He also had a bunch of religious stuff around, so I think he felt it was part of his Christian mission to give people fair treatment. Either way, next time I need a mattress I will go there.
He also had a bunch of religious stuff around, so I think he felt it was part of his Christian mission to give people fair treatment. Either way, next time I need a mattress I will go there.
I was honestly concerned about whether I'd like the materials in person but I definitely passed out on it in various stages of construction to confirm I was going in the right direction.
Nowadays you probably have a friend or two who's ordered an online mattress you can try out.
Nowadays you probably have a friend or two who's ordered an online mattress you can try out.
I wonder if it's actually better to buy online. Firstly you get something you've researched, not something the salesman pressured you into buying by claiming it's the mattress they have at home as well. Secondly, most people end up buying too soft beds, because it feels nicer when laying down and testing for a minute or two compared to a firmer mattress. Avoid that online.
> you get something you've researched
Really, though? I feel like part of the whole scam with online mattresses is that the review sites where people think they're conducting all this independent "research" are mostly in on the racket, getting freebies and kickbacks and taking payment for top recommendation spot, etc— Fast Company had a big expose on this a few years ago, but they're far from the only ones who have tried to blow the door off it:
https://www.fastcompany.com/3065928/sleepopolis-casper-blogg...
Really, though? I feel like part of the whole scam with online mattresses is that the review sites where people think they're conducting all this independent "research" are mostly in on the racket, getting freebies and kickbacks and taking payment for top recommendation spot, etc— Fast Company had a big expose on this a few years ago, but they're far from the only ones who have tried to blow the door off it:
https://www.fastcompany.com/3065928/sleepopolis-casper-blogg...
I checked out a Temperpedic at a mattress store and liked it, but didn't like the $3-4K price tag. After checking on Amazon, I bought this one, figuring that for less than $300, if I hated it and bought the $3K mattress, an extra $300 isn't important:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GTCL3JA
Reading the comments on AZ, the less-deep mattresses have firmer support, so I got the 8". I did add this topper (not foam) after a few months:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075486MDK
3 years later I still love them and am glad I didn't waste money on the name brand at the mattress store (which went out of business).
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GTCL3JA
Reading the comments on AZ, the less-deep mattresses have firmer support, so I got the 8". I did add this topper (not foam) after a few months:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075486MDK
3 years later I still love them and am glad I didn't waste money on the name brand at the mattress store (which went out of business).
Some of these 1-star Amazon reviews regarding fiberglass sound pretty scary.
My partner and I lost a good chunk of our clothes and lots of time to a cheap $300 mattress. The fiberglass in the firesock leaked, and the first symptom was a very itchy running t-shirt. It took us almost a week to figure out what was going on. The tiny fibers are essentially impossible to remove, and very hard to see unless you know what to look for.
I went and checked out mattresses at our local "Mattress Firm" chain of stores. They mostly had traditional mattresses like the "Simmons Beautyrest Achiever Firm" that I was replacing. I bought it in 2001 (please don't judge me) with a bonus check and felt pretty cool spending over a thousand dollars on a mattress after years of $50 futons.
I ended up taking a chance and went with an online purchase Leesa Hybrid [1] mattress that combines foam and pocket springs. I am mainly a side sleeper and the mattress feels really, really good. In fact, I think I might take a nap right now!
[1] https://www.leesa.com/products/leesa-hybrid-mattress
I ended up taking a chance and went with an online purchase Leesa Hybrid [1] mattress that combines foam and pocket springs. I am mainly a side sleeper and the mattress feels really, really good. In fact, I think I might take a nap right now!
[1] https://www.leesa.com/products/leesa-hybrid-mattress
I really wasn't keen on the idea of buying a mattress without testing it, but then the more I thought about it the more I realised that spending a few minutes on it in a showroom is not even remotely indicative as to what a whole night would be like.
I caved and purchased a Nectar mattress (I'm also in the UK), mostly because you got a year's (!) money back guarantee. Best choice I ever made - it highlighted how poor my old mattress was and I never needed to use the guarantee.
I caved and purchased a Nectar mattress (I'm also in the UK), mostly because you got a year's (!) money back guarantee. Best choice I ever made - it highlighted how poor my old mattress was and I never needed to use the guarantee.
My Simba pillow - essentially made from mattress offcuts - has collapsed quite a lot in around 6 months. It's fine for now but I worry about the future. On the other hand, the throw is lovely.
The original hacker news thread from when I built the mattress:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17558719
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17558719
"At this point, I decided the only thing that made sense was to build my own from scratch."
This is such a beautiful sentence and sentiment. If HN were to have a motto it could do a lot worse than that
This is such a beautiful sentence and sentiment. If HN were to have a motto it could do a lot worse than that
This is the spirit that keeps me coming back for more!
The best thing about a square mattress is that once you have the right sheets, you can’t screw up which way they go on.
Not gonna lie that was a factor in me choosing emperor (7x7) over caesar (8x7) originally. Square is a good shape.
Humans are not squares
1. Stretch your arms out to their full wingspan and then have someone draw four straight lines around you to the smallest area possible. What shape do you get?
2. It is quite common for beds to be occupied by two people simultaneously.
2. It is quite common for beds to be occupied by two people simultaneously.
They aren't rectangles either.
Speaking of that, where do you get sheets for this thing? I don't see that mentioned in either article. I suppose they ought to be a bit easier to custom manufacture than the mattress itself.
I was wondering the same thing, it's in the original article:
> I ordered a custom-sized bamboo bed set from Advanced Bedding. Their website had a form where I could just fill in the dimensions so it seemed like it would be the only purchase that didn't involve any human interaction, but they called to confirm anyway as the numbers were "unusual."
> I ordered a custom-sized bamboo bed set from Advanced Bedding. Their website had a form where I could just fill in the dimensions so it seemed like it would be the only purchase that didn't involve any human interaction, but they called to confirm anyway as the numbers were "unusual."
Oops, I scanned for "sheet" and missed that paragraph among all the "gel sheet" stuff.
The other posts covered the sheet sizes, but this reminds me of something I forgot to include in my article.
My comforter is too large for my washing machine, so I wash it in the tub every few months.
My comforter is too large for my washing machine, so I wash it in the tub every few months.
That sounds like a lot of work. Do you use anything to help like a plunger washer?
Something like this?
https://www.bridensolutions.ca/mobile-washer
Something like this?
https://www.bridensolutions.ca/mobile-washer
This could be a post in its own. What kinda soap do you use?
The process is roughly:
Put comforter in tub
Fill tub with cold water
Add laundry detergent about halfway through
Swirl it around with your hands (make sure you wear gloves, laundry detergent usually has bleach in it) and make sure at some point every part of the blanket goes under water. My tub is larger than most tubs (lip to lip is just under 6' long instead of 5' long) and it still can't completely fit in at once.
Drain tub
Repeat previous steps with cold water again but no soap this time to rinse it out
Let it dry out for a couple days
Enjoy clean comforter
Put comforter in tub
Fill tub with cold water
Add laundry detergent about halfway through
Swirl it around with your hands (make sure you wear gloves, laundry detergent usually has bleach in it) and make sure at some point every part of the blanket goes under water. My tub is larger than most tubs (lip to lip is just under 6' long instead of 5' long) and it still can't completely fit in at once.
Drain tub
Repeat previous steps with cold water again but no soap this time to rinse it out
Let it dry out for a couple days
Enjoy clean comforter
Mentioned halfway down under "sheets" from his hyperlinked OG build thread.
https://www.middleendian.com/emperor
https://www.middleendian.com/emperor
I can't imagine needing a bed like that for any other reason besides hosting giant orgies. I hope your ridiculous bed brings you many more years of enjoyment!
Either that or residents of Wyoming:
https://sleepboutique.ca/alaskan-king-wyoming-king-beds-aka-...
Alaskans will not ""sleep"" in beds smaller than 9' x 9' it seems.
Alaskans will not ""sleep"" in beds smaller than 9' x 9' it seems.
Christ... that 9x9 bed is almost as big as our bedroom(30cm left to the wall).
Well, no comment on that one! :P
But I do enjoy the bed quite a bit lol
But I do enjoy the bed quite a bit lol
My wife and I sleep in a regular king, and it would be nice to have more room. I like spreading out at night, arms and legs everywhere. She doesn’t appreciate it.
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I see folks here talking about different sheets and custom ordering.
I've had the luxury of owning real silk sheets. I can't go back from that experience. Do silk sheet manufacturers do custom orders? I love the idea of building an emporer sized bed from scratch like this but the sheets are a huge deal...
I've had the luxury of owning real silk sheets. I can't go back from that experience. Do silk sheet manufacturers do custom orders? I love the idea of building an emporer sized bed from scratch like this but the sheets are a huge deal...
I originally read that as “caveat emptor mattress”, which would also be a fun topic.
Given the weird materials people put in commercial mattresses, this is wouldn't be too far from the truth for most people.
I am very interested in the buckling gel, and I have considered getting a mattress from Purple a few times. Is it a significant upgrade from memory foam?
It's somewhat subjective of course, but for me it's a huge upgrade.
Form-wise, memory foam will respond to your positions but I feel like it's very slow and I also feel like I'm slowly sinking downward forever when I sleep on memory foam. Buckling gel responds very quickly, latex does as well. Latex is more springy, makes for a good core and isn't too bad to sleep on directly itself either, but buckling gel really fills in gaps and is super supportive.
Temperature-wise, memory foam makes me very hot when I sleep and I dislike that. Latex is much cooler and buckling gel even cooler than that.
(Everything I said about latex applies to polyurethane, which I believe Purple uses for its core rather than latex)
Form-wise, memory foam will respond to your positions but I feel like it's very slow and I also feel like I'm slowly sinking downward forever when I sleep on memory foam. Buckling gel responds very quickly, latex does as well. Latex is more springy, makes for a good core and isn't too bad to sleep on directly itself either, but buckling gel really fills in gaps and is super supportive.
Temperature-wise, memory foam makes me very hot when I sleep and I dislike that. Latex is much cooler and buckling gel even cooler than that.
(Everything I said about latex applies to polyurethane, which I believe Purple uses for its core rather than latex)
Purple is carried by some mattress stores. When I laid on it, I immediately didn't like it. It has an unstable feel to it because of the grids.
I had a purple 2 king and it was very comfortable but the motion transfer was bad. I suggest getting something else of you have a partner and a couple of grand to spend
Speaking of king / emperors: aren't these term referring to different sizes depending on the country?
For what it's worth I have a "2m x 2m". That's very big for many european countries: it's actually a bit complicated to find mattresses / sheets for such size (typically you need to order them and wait a bit), while if you go with the more standard "180cm x 200cm" you've got sheets and mattresses on display in many shops.
For what it's worth I have a "2m x 2m". That's very big for many european countries: it's actually a bit complicated to find mattresses / sheets for such size (typically you need to order them and wait a bit), while if you go with the more standard "180cm x 200cm" you've got sheets and mattresses on display in many shops.
> Speaking of king / emperors: aren't these term referring to different sizes depending on the country?
Even within the UK bed size section of Wikipedia they couldn't decide if an Emperor was 7'x7' (213x213) or 6'8"x6'6" (203x198), although most UK websites seem to use the 7x7 definition.
>find sheets
I had to order custom sheets online and when I eventually need to replace them I'll have to do it again. They called me to verify that my order was correct, and I assume they will the next time too lol
Even within the UK bed size section of Wikipedia they couldn't decide if an Emperor was 7'x7' (213x213) or 6'8"x6'6" (203x198), although most UK websites seem to use the 7x7 definition.
>find sheets
I had to order custom sheets online and when I eventually need to replace them I'll have to do it again. They called me to verify that my order was correct, and I assume they will the next time too lol
I love the internet for all of the random stuff you see. It's wild to see this post surface on HN - three years ago I was researching Purple brand beds and stumbled across OP's blog post about their build. The content ended up being what pushed my wife to "OK, fine" from "Not on your life." And we ended up giving the Purple a try. (It didn't work out, but still wild how this comes full circle)
Just out of curiosity, did you and your wife come across it on HN or elsewhere?
Elsewhere, via a Google search about the gel honeycomb material IIRC
Interesting. My original article is apparently about 30 entries down on a google search for buckling column gel.
Cool project but it seems odd that you didn't really save any money since mattresses appear to be so over-priced.
I'd say the lack of price savings are mainly these three factors:
Material quality: Purple, which I roughly used as inspiration for my original mattress design, used polyurethane which is cheaper and lighter, but less durable, than the latex I used for the core of my mattress. I have no idea what they used now but that was the case at the time.
Economies of scale: They can keep making the same few shapes cheaper. I was unable to buy specific dimensions of buckling column gel so I had to buy several toppers to extract the material and I only used 49 square feet out of the 64 square feet (although I found other uses for some of the remaining gel), plus the toppers came with other cheap foam that I had little use for. It's really difficult to order buckling column gel directly.
The literal scale: My mattress is larger than most of the US mattress companies, more material = more money. I imagine an emperor sized mattress would be similarly or more expensive from Purple. I would've gotten slightly better ROI per size had I made my bed larger due to the aforementioned discarded buckling column gel. Plus I needed to get nonstandard custom sheets and a custom sized encasement.
Material quality: Purple, which I roughly used as inspiration for my original mattress design, used polyurethane which is cheaper and lighter, but less durable, than the latex I used for the core of my mattress. I have no idea what they used now but that was the case at the time.
Economies of scale: They can keep making the same few shapes cheaper. I was unable to buy specific dimensions of buckling column gel so I had to buy several toppers to extract the material and I only used 49 square feet out of the 64 square feet (although I found other uses for some of the remaining gel), plus the toppers came with other cheap foam that I had little use for. It's really difficult to order buckling column gel directly.
The literal scale: My mattress is larger than most of the US mattress companies, more material = more money. I imagine an emperor sized mattress would be similarly or more expensive from Purple. I would've gotten slightly better ROI per size had I made my bed larger due to the aforementioned discarded buckling column gel. Plus I needed to get nonstandard custom sheets and a custom sized encasement.
Some things are simply not worth skimping on.
A good quality mattress, where you spend 5-8 hours every day - is one of the areas where skimping is not worth while in my opinion. Same with computer chairs, or any other thing that impacts back and joint health over prolonged periods.
A good quality mattress, where you spend 5-8 hours every day - is one of the areas where skimping is not worth while in my opinion. Same with computer chairs, or any other thing that impacts back and joint health over prolonged periods.
I’m under the impression that sleeping on rough ground actually produces the greatest long term health benefits. Much like how sitting in a plush chair isn’t all that healthy really.
In my experience, paying more for a mattress doesn't necessarily equal to more comfort and I have no aches sitting all day in a cheap height-adjustable captain chair on wheels if I make sure that the arm rests are at the same height as the keyboard tray.
It is astoundingly difficult to get collapsing gel sheets, and I imagine that it has something to do with Purple existing.
I looked into buying just the sheets or a topper after returning the one I trialed. I really enjoyed the feel of it, but not to the tune of $2000(!) for a twin(!!!).
I looked into buying just the sheets or a topper after returning the one I trialed. I really enjoyed the feel of it, but not to the tune of $2000(!) for a twin(!!!).
So I ordered my toppers from intellibed but they no longer list their toppers on their website. I talked to a mattress enthusiast not long ago and you can still buy it from them over the phone, but keep in mind they only have that 4x4 buckling gel component in the middle so you need more than one if you wish to cover your bed with buckling gel.
In a different life I'd consider setting up a buckling column gel manufacturing station and just sell people custom sized buckling column gel sheets.
In a different life I'd consider setting up a buckling column gel manufacturing station and just sell people custom sized buckling column gel sheets.
How about ordering from China?
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Foldable-Supportive-T...
Any danger with chemicals?
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Foldable-Supportive-T...
Any danger with chemicals?
This looks like mostly the same thing except the grid itself was rotated 45° from what I had. I did look into alibaba shortly after I made my bed when I was discussing this with a friend. The limitations of alibaba I found at the time were:
1. The HxW dimensions didn't necessarily match anything I wanted well. I needed four toppers to make the original mattress and offhand it looks like I could probably make it with four gel sheets from alibaba but the cuts would be more complicated to lay out and attach.
2. The thickness was listed at 4cm vs the 2" thickness of the buckling gel from intellibed. 2" is about 5cm.
3. Despite the intellibed toppers coming with a useless amount of foam, it wasn't actually any cheaper per square inch to order the gel from alibaba at the time, not that either was especially cheap. Numbers may have changed by now.
1. The HxW dimensions didn't necessarily match anything I wanted well. I needed four toppers to make the original mattress and offhand it looks like I could probably make it with four gel sheets from alibaba but the cuts would be more complicated to lay out and attach.
2. The thickness was listed at 4cm vs the 2" thickness of the buckling gel from intellibed. 2" is about 5cm.
3. Despite the intellibed toppers coming with a useless amount of foam, it wasn't actually any cheaper per square inch to order the gel from alibaba at the time, not that either was especially cheap. Numbers may have changed by now.
Huh. Something must have changed in the last year or so. I could not for the life of me find a gel grid this large for purchase, going as far back as 2018. Neat, thanks.
It's really surprising to me that mattresses larger than a king/cal king are not more common. When I was single and sleeping on a full size mattress, that felt pretty good. Now that I have a partner and we upgraded to a king, I actually have LESS space since there are two of us sleeping in a bigger mattress. A king split between two people means that each person has the width of a twin size mattress. In my opinion, this is entirely inadequate and is a massive downgrade to me. A full size mattress is 54" wide, so for each person to get the equivalent of a full, you'd need a mattress that's 108" wide (Alaskan King size.)
In the Philippines, I don't think these will catch on even though in this culture it's common for large families to sleep together in the same bedroom. These beds are simply too big to fit in the typical Filipino bedroom.
Does someone have a good advice on getting a mattress in US bypassing the whole mattress-sale industry that sells a piece of memory foam wrapped in their advertising budget and “long sales cycle”?
Ordering a slab of foam from a foam factory, etc?
Ordering a slab of foam from a foam factory, etc?
I simply ordered a foam mattress from a foam mattress company.
Saved me all the hassle of figuring out what type of foam and cover etc. still only ten percent of the price of a fancy mattress from a mattress store and took ten minutes on amazon. I doubt it's that much more expensively than a comparable block of foam. (I think it has multiple layers, as well).
Three years in, no problems. Good mattress.
Saved me all the hassle of figuring out what type of foam and cover etc. still only ten percent of the price of a fancy mattress from a mattress store and took ten minutes on amazon. I doubt it's that much more expensively than a comparable block of foam. (I think it has multiple layers, as well).
Three years in, no problems. Good mattress.
do you mind sharing which company? As that is approximately how I would want to go about it. Oh I assume foamfactory.com
Looks really reasonable pricing-wise
Looks really reasonable pricing-wise
You can get a slab of latex from foamoarder, which is how I got my mattress core. Honestly that alone would make a solid mattress on its own, although you'd still want an encasement I imagine.
If you want something more specific, check out the mattress underground forums. Very helpful users there.
If you want something more specific, check out the mattress underground forums. Very helpful users there.
For everyone struggling to find the perfect mattress for you - foam vs memory foam vs latex foam vs cotton packed vs coil spring - I found great results with Sleepnumber mattresses.
My biggest regret of moving back home from the States was that I didn’t ship my sleepnumber mattress home because it cost so much.
Sleepnumber stores look (and probably are) gimmicky but man, the first couple of nights I slept on them, I didn’t know when my head hit the pillow and when morning came. I truly understood what “sleeping like the dead” means.
Now I’m planning to somehow insert a thin air mattress into my current latex foam mattress for extra back support.
My biggest regret of moving back home from the States was that I didn’t ship my sleepnumber mattress home because it cost so much.
Sleepnumber stores look (and probably are) gimmicky but man, the first couple of nights I slept on them, I didn’t know when my head hit the pillow and when morning came. I truly understood what “sleeping like the dead” means.
Now I’m planning to somehow insert a thin air mattress into my current latex foam mattress for extra back support.
> Sleepnumber stores look (and probably are) gimmicky
this is why i never considered them. I hate hard sells more than i love sleep.
this is why i never considered them. I hate hard sells more than i love sleep.
I am mostly the same way but when I bought my first Sleepnumber, I was really struggling to sleep. Personally, I’m glad I made the switch to their mattresses though I’m back to a latex foam mattress now (after relocating) and so, I no longer know what a good night’s sleep feels like.
I did something similar to you, except I used progressively less dense layers of latex (also from foamorder.com). CalKing rather than anything larger, but I've considered larger and I've been thinking it's better to make an Emperor or Caesar size formed from two halves.
it's been 10 years btw since I build mine. There's a slight give in the densest lower layer but it's held up enough that I still only really need to replace the top layer to get it back up to snuff.
My question: how in the hell do you afford sheets that size? lol
it's been 10 years btw since I build mine. There's a slight give in the densest lower layer but it's held up enough that I still only really need to replace the top layer to get it back up to snuff.
My question: how in the hell do you afford sheets that size? lol
>size
Foamorder's max latex size is king or cal king but they were willing to glue a bunch of chunks together for me. I'm not sure what glue they used (presumably latex?) but it's held without issue. I cannot feel the dividing between the latex chunks under the buckling gel while in the bed.
>sheets
I ordered two sets of bamboo bedsheets from that Advanced Bedding and they've lasted me all this time without ripping or stretching or anything. I usually leave the comforter at the foot of the bed when I get up so that probably helped them air out. Can't remember how much they cost but you can run the numbers on their site.
Foamorder's max latex size is king or cal king but they were willing to glue a bunch of chunks together for me. I'm not sure what glue they used (presumably latex?) but it's held without issue. I cannot feel the dividing between the latex chunks under the buckling gel while in the bed.
>sheets
I ordered two sets of bamboo bedsheets from that Advanced Bedding and they've lasted me all this time without ripping or stretching or anything. I usually leave the comforter at the foot of the bed when I get up so that probably helped them air out. Can't remember how much they cost but you can run the numbers on their site.
Is there an authority on mattress size naming standards to whom I may offer a suggestion? Having just read Julian by Gore Vidal, I learned that a few centuries after Caesar and Augustus, the title of Caesar ranked below that of Augustus (well played, Gaius Octavius). I suggest King->Caesar->Augustus.
However if we want to get into semantics, the word King descends from the word Caesar. Perhaps replace King with Minister, and Queen with Representative?
However if we want to get into semantics, the word King descends from the word Caesar. Perhaps replace King with Minister, and Queen with Representative?
"King" is derived from Old English "cyning". Some similar words (Tsar and Kaiser, for example) derive from "Caesar", but "king" isn't one of them.
I'd much prefer 2x3 fora 2m by 3m bed. Poetic names confuses me: Why is a twin different than a double but the exact same thing as a single? Call them by their size, done.
If I do make that 8'4"x8'4" mattress I'll call it an Augustus as you suggest.
Can we have one the same width as an emperor but shorter, and call it the Napoleon?
(yes, I know it's a myth; I am doing my bit to preserve it)
(yes, I know it's a myth; I am doing my bit to preserve it)
You could flip a California King (7' long 6' wide) sideways and call it that lol. It would be shorter than a Twin or a Full Sized mattress by a few inches.
I have spine issues (syringomyelia) and tried a bunch of mattresses.
The best thing I found was a really hard spring mattress with a 2" memory foam topper, it offers the support I need but also takes the pressure spots.
The best thing I found was a really hard spring mattress with a 2" memory foam topper, it offers the support I need but also takes the pressure spots.
Inspiring. I am inspired.
Also I can smell the outgassing volatile organic compounds from here.
Also I can smell the outgassing volatile organic compounds from here.
Is it legal to build your own mattress without treating it with flame retardant chemicals? I presume so.
The encasement I used for the mattress has flame retardant properties.
Like barbegal mentioned, there are some safety requirements for selling a mattress. I don't recall exactly how you'd get approved, but I vaguely remember that it wasn't actually that hard to meet them and had the production quality of my mattress been a bit better I probably could have gotten the approval to sell it.
Like barbegal mentioned, there are some safety requirements for selling a mattress. I don't recall exactly how you'd get approved, but I vaguely remember that it wasn't actually that hard to meet them and had the production quality of my mattress been a bit better I probably could have gotten the approval to sell it.
Yes but you just can't sell it as a mattress
Nobody talks of how foam mattresses change the dynamics of sex. Gone is the nice bounce back from the coils. Instead you get the firm motion deadening of the foam. Participants expecting to find that extra spring in their step find they have to provide their own bounce. I hope your muscles are up for it.
I personally don't having sex on a foam mattress. I think those seeking a foam mattress should consider keeping around a spare coiled sex bed. Call it your guest bed if so inclined. It will be there for you, providing that extra spring you may be missing from you foam mattress.