Invitation to Europe(novayagazeta.eu)
novayagazeta.eu
Invitation to Europe
https://novayagazeta.eu/
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what will differenciate them and meduza?
1) Meduza much younger then Novaya Gazeta (2014 vs 1993)
2) Meduza based in Riga, Latvia and Novaya Gazeta based in Moscow, Russia
3)I think, that Meduza has more opposite position to Russia’s government then Novaya Gazeta. Novaya Gazeta just want to be free in telling news in Russia. Novaya Gazeta had tried playing Russia’s government rules until they was blocked by Kremlin in 28 march 2022.
4) Meduza owned by Medusa Project SIA. Novaya Gazeta owned by journalists of Novaya Gazeta (76%), Alexander Lebedev (14%) and Mikhail Gorbachev (10%)
2) Meduza based in Riga, Latvia and Novaya Gazeta based in Moscow, Russia
3)I think, that Meduza has more opposite position to Russia’s government then Novaya Gazeta. Novaya Gazeta just want to be free in telling news in Russia. Novaya Gazeta had tried playing Russia’s government rules until they was blocked by Kremlin in 28 march 2022.
4) Meduza owned by Medusa Project SIA. Novaya Gazeta owned by journalists of Novaya Gazeta (76%), Alexander Lebedev (14%) and Mikhail Gorbachev (10%)
I think that this 'incarnation' of Novaya is also not based in Russia.
Holy shit, Mikhail Gorbachev is still alive?
Meduza always tried to target young, cosmopolitain audience of Russia whereas Novaya Gazeta aimed at the older crowd of people who wanted democracy starting from 80s, didn't get it, hence bitter and generally blaming Russian people for that.
Meduza's crowd is pretty sour right now so it's quite possible they converge.
Meduza's crowd is pretty sour right now so it's quite possible they converge.
I would greatly doubt much hopes for this "relaunch" if they will continue their conformist tune.
People need to get it crystal clear, the last of "independent" Russian media were only allowed to be because they were the most compliant, and collaborationist ones vs. ones which were confrontational, and making actual difference.
Best Russian journalists were killed, or exiled many years before.
The only meaningful further press coverage of Russian politics must be about regime change, and not empty hopes for "reform," and "dialog" with the system which showed itself not amendable to anything of that for 23 years.
People need to get it crystal clear, the last of "independent" Russian media were only allowed to be because they were the most compliant, and collaborationist ones vs. ones which were confrontational, and making actual difference.
Best Russian journalists were killed, or exiled many years before.
The only meaningful further press coverage of Russian politics must be about regime change, and not empty hopes for "reform," and "dialog" with the system which showed itself not amendable to anything of that for 23 years.
Submission title nitpick: The word "Relaunch" doesn't appear on that site, and they're calling themselves "Novaya Gazeta Europe"...
(Which makes me wonder if they don't consider Russia to be European)
(Which makes me wonder if they don't consider Russia to be European)
Russia is transcontinental, not simply European.
Novaya Gazeta Europe is clearly based in Europe and specifically _not_ in Russia; this is the whole point of their endeavour.
More to the point, it must also have been established in the European Union, because it has a .eu domain name, and you need to be an entity in an EU state to create one of those.
Novaya Gazeta Europe is clearly based in Europe and specifically _not_ in Russia; this is the whole point of their endeavour.
More to the point, it must also have been established in the European Union, because it has a .eu domain name, and you need to be an entity in an EU state to create one of those.
I wonder, if you lived in the UK before Brexit and owned a .EU domain, once brexit happened, what happens to the domain?
It's not "lived" so much as "did business" and I think the broad answer has been "stopped being able to renew them".
I know a couple of my clients have basically abandoned domain names, but most British businesses were only holding onto .eu domains for completeness anyway.
I know a couple of my clients have basically abandoned domain names, but most British businesses were only holding onto .eu domains for completeness anyway.
You needed to re-register it or you would have lost it. Ironically, that's what's happened to the website of leave.eu campaign :)
Hilariously, this actually happened to Leave.EU one of the main campaigning bodies. I think they set up an office in Dublin or something to get around it.
With the way things are going, it is a relaunch for all intents and purposes. I don't think they'll be able to work inside the country until the regime is changed (so probably not in my lifetime, but who really knows).
The sentence "It will cover international and Russian news for people who read in Russian and who share European values." suggests they "European values" as something separate.
Also, they are from Russia, had to leave Russia as the war started and Russia currently see Europe as Western and enemy. So, implication is that they will print things they could not print if they had been in Russia.
Also, they are from Russia, had to leave Russia as the war started and Russia currently see Europe as Western and enemy. So, implication is that they will print things they could not print if they had been in Russia.
> The word "Relaunch" doesn't appear on that site
I think the "Our website will be launched in" banner counts as "relaunch", since they were active before.
I think the "Our website will be launched in" banner counts as "relaunch", since they were active before.
If they would have explicitly declared their continuity, it will be easier for Russian government to pursue them, even abroad.
The Russians I've known often contrast themselves with Europeans in exactly those terms.
Same with Brits. Great Britain is unequivocal part of "Europe, but Brits will often call the mainland "Europe" and themselves "Great Britain". Brits get even more confused if you then ask them "But what about Ireland? Is is European or British?". Most often, brits will then get angry and just leave...
> Most often, brits will then get angry and just leave...
If only we could've gotten them to do that eight centuries ago...
If only we could've gotten them to do that eight centuries ago...
Fog on the channel, continent cut off.
I think this is largely generational, for me even in my 50s as a Brit I also very much see myself as European. Maybe that's partly because I know and have worked with a lot of Americans, so I identify myself that way in contrast to them. Although us Anglophones also need to stick together against those Europeans.
I think this is largely generational, for me even in my 50s as a Brit I also very much see myself as European. Maybe that's partly because I know and have worked with a lot of Americans, so I identify myself that way in contrast to them. Although us Anglophones also need to stick together against those Europeans.
'Brits will often call the mainland "Europe" and themselves "Great Britain"'
Let's just say that this kind of thing is a rather sore point for a lot of people in the UK.
Let's just say that this kind of thing is a rather sore point for a lot of people in the UK.
How do Europeans contrast themselves from other countries/cultures/languages in Europe? Wouldn't it be similar?
I did not seen Europeans contrast themselves with Europeans all that much. They may contrast themselves with other countries specifically or block of countries specifically. Or say something like "the rest of Europe".
I think that many Russians see themselves not part of Europe, culturally and politically. They are something different, especially pro-government ones. Europeans see themselves as part of Europe, even if they have grievance against something. And that is all there is to it.
I think that many Russians see themselves not part of Europe, culturally and politically. They are something different, especially pro-government ones. Europeans see themselves as part of Europe, even if they have grievance against something. And that is all there is to it.
I think they would contrast themselves with other European national identities but not deny that they are also European.
I haven't taken a survey of this but that's my intuition.
Ps. I suspect this contrasting of Russia and Europe may be quite old. I think of the Grand Duchy of Moscow and Peter the Great. That kind of contrast was very much under discussion in that time period as far as I know.
I haven't taken a survey of this but that's my intuition.
Ps. I suspect this contrasting of Russia and Europe may be quite old. I think of the Grand Duchy of Moscow and Peter the Great. That kind of contrast was very much under discussion in that time period as far as I know.
Isn‘t identity always context-dependent and fuzzy? I live in Bavaria, so for other Germans I‘m Bavarian. For other Europeans I am German and sometimes Central European. For Americans and most especially Asians I am European.
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Novaya gazeta has its own achievements, but there are some questionable parts as well.
In 2016 it initiated a moral panic about a phenomenon called "Blue Whale Challenge"[0] which obviously never existed (or started existing in ironic form after the initial article - there were just too many people unable to miss such an opportunity to get their lulz). While being absolutely unprofessional, the article appeared in a very convenient time - in the midst of an ongoing government campaign to increase control over social networks.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Whale_Challenge
In 2016 it initiated a moral panic about a phenomenon called "Blue Whale Challenge"[0] which obviously never existed (or started existing in ironic form after the initial article - there were just too many people unable to miss such an opportunity to get their lulz). While being absolutely unprofessional, the article appeared in a very convenient time - in the midst of an ongoing government campaign to increase control over social networks.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Whale_Challenge
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