Should we be eating three meals a day?(bbc.com)
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Should we be eating three meals a day?
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220412-should-we-be-eating-three-meals-a-day
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I don't think three meals a day are a problem that caused obesity... imho, the main cause are large quantities of very processed (calorie high) food and lifestyles with less physical movement. Even "real restaurants" (compared to fast food ones) add a ton of butter and other caloric ingredients to make food taste great, much more than someone cooking at home would add. Basically, it's calories in, calories out, and a full stomach of homemade healty-ish stuff has a lot less calories than what you get at a fast food joint or even an expensive restaurant.
> Basically, it's calories in, calories out, and a full stomach of homemade healty-ish stuff has a lot less calories than what you get at a fast food joint or even an expensive restaurant.
There are many health benefits to movement and our bodies evolved to have it part of our daily routine, but if you want to deal with your weight, it should done through diet. See Exercised by Lieberman:
* https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49358915-exercised
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Lieberman
When it comes to weight, diet and exercise seem to minimally correlated.
There are many health benefits to movement and our bodies evolved to have it part of our daily routine, but if you want to deal with your weight, it should done through diet. See Exercised by Lieberman:
* https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49358915-exercised
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Lieberman
When it comes to weight, diet and exercise seem to minimally correlated.
Three square meals a day, no. Three square meals plus various snacks throughout the day is a different story.
The problem is that now, with a pandemics of obesity, we cannot just sustain status quo. We need to reverse it towards more health, less obesity. Which means that even going back to just three meals a day may not be enough.
The problem is that now, with a pandemics of obesity, we cannot just sustain status quo. We need to reverse it towards more health, less obesity. Which means that even going back to just three meals a day may not be enough.
As someone who's done every eating regime under the sun, it's very easy to binge on cookies for your one meal a day/week/month. Look how much shit keto enthusiasts can pile onto their bodies on a super-strict, mostly healthy diet for an example. People will abuse strict rule-based diets.
Eat (real) food, not too much, mostly plants. For 99% of people the key is that simple. Hold individuals accountable for their choices and promote, push, heck subsidize ancient eating standards over industrialized foods on society.
Eat (real) food, not too much, mostly plants. For 99% of people the key is that simple. Hold individuals accountable for their choices and promote, push, heck subsidize ancient eating standards over industrialized foods on society.
> my consistent experience is that having a feeding window of about 2-5 hours gets me the best results
Another point of anecdata…
My sweet spot is at a 4-5 hour feeding window — basically two meals with a short break in between.
I don’t get hungry, I feel great, and my numbers are peak or near peak.
One meal a day may be better, but I could never try it long enough to get reliable numbers.
Another point of anecdata…
My sweet spot is at a 4-5 hour feeding window — basically two meals with a short break in between.
I don’t get hungry, I feel great, and my numbers are peak or near peak.
One meal a day may be better, but I could never try it long enough to get reliable numbers.
It's not just the economic factor. There is a social aspect of eating that is very hard to ignore.
It's why I stopped doing Keto and went with IF. Breakfast is still in my control so I can skip it. But turning down social invitations to eat out because almost all of our food has lots of carbs was unsustainable to me.
It's why I stopped doing Keto and went with IF. Breakfast is still in my control so I can skip it. But turning down social invitations to eat out because almost all of our food has lots of carbs was unsustainable to me.
I think intermittent fasting is way more sustainable. You are also achieving roughly the same thing, because your body does ketosis anyway as soon as you stop eating for even a short amount of time e.g while sleeping. "keto" diet is just trying to find a way to allow you to continuously eat without breaking it.
I only do IF in terms of eating one main meal a day, i've never intentionally done this, i'm just not a morning person, and lunch always felt optional - However I've noticed quite clearly that even a small sugar-laced high-carb snack will destroy this for the day, e.g if I decide to have a croissant one morning as I occasionally do (not because i'm particularly hungry but because it looks damn tasty), then I have to accept that today i'm going to be more hungry and want to eat more - it's these big sugary carbs outside of meal time that keep everyone's hunger up by switching off ketosis. For comparison, having a few nuts is a much better snack, it doesn't make you more hungry because you are able to continue burning fat afterwards.
I only do IF in terms of eating one main meal a day, i've never intentionally done this, i'm just not a morning person, and lunch always felt optional - However I've noticed quite clearly that even a small sugar-laced high-carb snack will destroy this for the day, e.g if I decide to have a croissant one morning as I occasionally do (not because i'm particularly hungry but because it looks damn tasty), then I have to accept that today i'm going to be more hungry and want to eat more - it's these big sugary carbs outside of meal time that keep everyone's hunger up by switching off ketosis. For comparison, having a few nuts is a much better snack, it doesn't make you more hungry because you are able to continue burning fat afterwards.
This factor nudged me towards abandoning breakfast as well. Socially, it is better to eat in the second half of the day.
It helped that I am not very hungry in the mornings. I experimented with a continuous glucose monitor (CGM) and apparently I have a small bump in glucose levels immediately after waking up (not anything massive, but definitely noticeable on the graph), which probably means that the body is anticipating some energy consumption and is ready to cover it from internal sources.
It helped that I am not very hungry in the mornings. I experimented with a continuous glucose monitor (CGM) and apparently I have a small bump in glucose levels immediately after waking up (not anything massive, but definitely noticeable on the graph), which probably means that the body is anticipating some energy consumption and is ready to cover it from internal sources.
As i got older i noticed that meals kept impacting my focus and productivity. I've been doing IF for the past year and it works surprisingly well.
Basically, i'll have only coffee and water until 2pm and then 2 meals before 9pm.
Mental focus and clarity is pretty high and consistent.
Basically, i'll have only coffee and water until 2pm and then 2 meals before 9pm.
Mental focus and clarity is pretty high and consistent.
> Everyday hunger seems to be a habit. Once you are used to eating at a certain hour, you will feel hungry as it approaches
Mmmm I'm curious what happens wrt hunger if you eat at random times of the day, never the same.
Mmmm I'm curious what happens wrt hunger if you eat at random times of the day, never the same.
In my experience (though not strictly random, just mainly determined by unpredictable outside influences) you get hungry at random times of the day too.
I swear to God I remember hearing the opposite not long ago. That frequent, smaller,
meals are better as they more closely match the continual foraging of hunter-gatherers. Here's the first reference I could find: https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/02/health/mini-meals-food-drayer...
The older I get the more inconsistencies and instabilities I hear in dieting advice. I'm old enough to remember when fat was the bad guy and sugar was maybe ok
The older I get the more inconsistencies and instabilities I hear in dieting advice. I'm old enough to remember when fat was the bad guy and sugar was maybe ok
The current diabetes epidemic is probably in large part caused by having demonized fat in the past. Food manufacturers switched to a combination of sugar and salt to restore taste after removing fat. The current health situation is what you get...
Also seed oils
...Wait, seed oils are a problem, or seed oils have been unfairly demonized?
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They are a problem that should be demonized.
> They are a problem that should be demonized.
How? Aren't seed oils better than butter and palm/coconut oils due to their low saturated fat contents (canola oil or sunflower oil for example)
How? Aren't seed oils better than butter and palm/coconut oils due to their low saturated fat contents (canola oil or sunflower oil for example)
Every properly controlled independent study has shown that switching from animal fats to seed oils does nothing to reduce heart disease. It lowers cholesterol, but if lowering cholesterol does not reduce heart disease, then cholesterol is not the problem in the first place, and nor are saturated fats.
In fact, seed oils have a negative impact on health. Not only do they radically throw off the omega 6/3 balance, they are also inherently unstable in comparison to saturated fats, and they oxidize quickly. They also produce more toxic byproducts when heated.
The big farm / FDA unholy alliance that resulted in the modern western diet switching to seed oils, only made heart disease worse.
The tide has been turning for a while now, as the research has become more and more solid and obvious, but you still find plenty of farm, governmental, and medical blowhards ignoring the science, and promoting a seed-oil based diet.
In fact, seed oils have a negative impact on health. Not only do they radically throw off the omega 6/3 balance, they are also inherently unstable in comparison to saturated fats, and they oxidize quickly. They also produce more toxic byproducts when heated.
The big farm / FDA unholy alliance that resulted in the modern western diet switching to seed oils, only made heart disease worse.
The tide has been turning for a while now, as the research has become more and more solid and obvious, but you still find plenty of farm, governmental, and medical blowhards ignoring the science, and promoting a seed-oil based diet.
Everything has to be balanced, you should neither claim seed oils==bad nor should you claim animal fat==unhealthy, a balanced diet should have both types of fat sources in equilibrium
No. Saturated fats are not inherently bad. If anything, the good fats tend to be saturated fats.
Seed oils are typically high in omega-6 which is bad because there's way too much omega-6 in the modern diet compared to omega-3.
Seed oils are typically high in omega-6 which is bad because there's way too much omega-6 in the modern diet compared to omega-3.
I am not from a developed country so my only source of these omega3/6 is oils right? How can I remove it from my diet?
Hey, sorry, late response.
I think you should prioritize adding omega-3s over removing omega-6s.
Maybe canned anchovies or sardines? Not everyone likes them (I do!) and I don't know if they're accessible to you, but they're a great source of omega-3s and are relatively low in mercury.
I think you should prioritize adding omega-3s over removing omega-6s.
Maybe canned anchovies or sardines? Not everyone likes them (I do!) and I don't know if they're accessible to you, but they're a great source of omega-3s and are relatively low in mercury.
If the advice comes with a story about how such and such was similar to the diets of ancestors, it's probably unscientific to the point of parody.
A wide variety in your diet prevents potential harms from chronic exposure - if you eat the same things over long periods you can accumulate unintended adulterants. Your particular genetics might result in chronic inflammation from an otherwise innocent food item.
Diet should be approached as a game with unknowable hazards. Science is continually evolving, and the findings one week can be completely overturned the next, and so on. Your strategy in the diet game should be to imitate success, avoid harmful patterns, and seek variety consistently. One day we will have a thorough model for nutrition and genetics and we can use soylent style customized food.
Meal pacing depends on your lifestyle, what you eat, fitness, and a myriad of other factors. There will be no one size fits all answer - there are too many confounding factors to reach a sensible conclusion except at an individual level.
Someone sedentary has different requirements than an athlete who runs marathons, or a warehouse worker, librarian, or plumber. One big meal might be best for one, while munching all day could be best for another, and their colleagues might find variations more suitable to their context.
One strategy is to go through an elimination experiment- eat nothing but meat, for 2 weeks, and gradually add different foods one per week, keeping a journal of subjective effects, blood pressure, satiety, weight, bowel movements, and so on.
Following a fad diet
A wide variety in your diet prevents potential harms from chronic exposure - if you eat the same things over long periods you can accumulate unintended adulterants. Your particular genetics might result in chronic inflammation from an otherwise innocent food item.
Diet should be approached as a game with unknowable hazards. Science is continually evolving, and the findings one week can be completely overturned the next, and so on. Your strategy in the diet game should be to imitate success, avoid harmful patterns, and seek variety consistently. One day we will have a thorough model for nutrition and genetics and we can use soylent style customized food.
Meal pacing depends on your lifestyle, what you eat, fitness, and a myriad of other factors. There will be no one size fits all answer - there are too many confounding factors to reach a sensible conclusion except at an individual level.
Someone sedentary has different requirements than an athlete who runs marathons, or a warehouse worker, librarian, or plumber. One big meal might be best for one, while munching all day could be best for another, and their colleagues might find variations more suitable to their context.
One strategy is to go through an elimination experiment- eat nothing but meat, for 2 weeks, and gradually add different foods one per week, keeping a journal of subjective effects, blood pressure, satiety, weight, bowel movements, and so on.
Following a fad diet
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>>following a fad diet
Just sets you up for disappointment. It's better to research nutrition generally and experiment methodically, building up knowledge about how you personally react to foods, and planning with that knowledge.
Maybe we should turn it around a bit.
There is a huge variation in what our ancestors ate. But modern highly processed food would be alien to all of them - no tribe nor nation on the planet ever sustained themselves on a diet of salami, pizza, French fries and massively sweetened soft drinks.
This is a very recent sea change in nutrition, where I would expect a lot of unknowable hazards to lie.
There is a huge variation in what our ancestors ate. But modern highly processed food would be alien to all of them - no tribe nor nation on the planet ever sustained themselves on a diet of salami, pizza, French fries and massively sweetened soft drinks.
This is a very recent sea change in nutrition, where I would expect a lot of unknowable hazards to lie.
Modern foods actually makes variety simpler, since you can lump them all into one food category - modern food is often slight seasoning and proportion variations on the same processed ingredients, so you don't want to eat it frequently. An occasional pizza or birthday cake or soda is ok, but they're not great for daily food sources, especially with hfcs or lots of sugar.
Even agriculture itself is in evolutionary terms recent change. Some components sure like lactose tolerance, but overall new.
There is still quite a difference between 5000 years and 25 years. Especially because in the pre-modern world, generations were much shorter than today. People would start having kids around 18.
14 or 15, often. 18 year old adults is a recent liberal human rights innovation.
There's not a whole lot of difference between humans now and humans 100,000 years ago. We have better tools and culture and knowledge, but we're physically identical - swap a baby in either direction and nobody would know the difference.
There's not a whole lot of difference between humans now and humans 100,000 years ago. We have better tools and culture and knowledge, but we're physically identical - swap a baby in either direction and nobody would know the difference.
> The older I get the more inconsistencies and instabilities I hear in dieting advice. I'm old enough to remember when fat was the bad guy and sugar was maybe ok
It feels to me like humanity as a whole hasn't necessarily properly figured all of this out, and might not do that in the near future.
Personally, i've found the advice of "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." to be rather sensible and work for me, as far as general wellbeing is concerned. If you don't eat too many processed snacks and can have a bit of exercise daily, then you should be doing pretty decently.
It feels to me like humanity as a whole hasn't necessarily properly figured all of this out, and might not do that in the near future.
Personally, i've found the advice of "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." to be rather sensible and work for me, as far as general wellbeing is concerned. If you don't eat too many processed snacks and can have a bit of exercise daily, then you should be doing pretty decently.
I like plants and I can easily reduce meat consumption to a fraction of the usual norm, but I notice that without any animal products at all, I feel sluggish. It is extra noticeable on longer hikes in uneven terrain.
Things like cheese or eggs invigorate me.
Things like cheese or eggs invigorate me.
That is a very fair point!
Personally it's also kind of why i wouldn't suggest that people go fully vegetarian/vegan either, except for maybe short amounts of time (e.g. should they desire to look into raising awareness, seeing what produce is sold locally etc.), since having a balanced diet can be challenging!
I occasionally get my bloodwork done and my doctor suggests that i should get a bit more vitamin D, as well as perhaps look into other multivitamin supplies during the winters, so i certainly do that (and try to eat more fish and so on).
While human diets can be slightly "experimented" with and various options be explored, i probably should add a disclaimer somewhere that the diets of pets probably shouldn't be - my dogs, for example, enjoy fresh meat pretty regularly as well as whatever the vets recommend.
Personally it's also kind of why i wouldn't suggest that people go fully vegetarian/vegan either, except for maybe short amounts of time (e.g. should they desire to look into raising awareness, seeing what produce is sold locally etc.), since having a balanced diet can be challenging!
I occasionally get my bloodwork done and my doctor suggests that i should get a bit more vitamin D, as well as perhaps look into other multivitamin supplies during the winters, so i certainly do that (and try to eat more fish and so on).
While human diets can be slightly "experimented" with and various options be explored, i probably should add a disclaimer somewhere that the diets of pets probably shouldn't be - my dogs, for example, enjoy fresh meat pretty regularly as well as whatever the vets recommend.
I believe that there is no unified correct diet. It depends on individual activity, gut fauna and genetics. And we probably know somewhat enough of one of those and looking at people in trades and like that could or should get enough activity even that might be questionable.
> It depends on individual activity, gut fauna and genetics.
I'd suggest that it can also depend on where one lives: the "optimal" diets of someone in Egypt, Norway and Australia might all differ as well, due to the different conditions in each place.
That said, it's not like we can't offer some general recommendations for most folk: someone who subsists off of processed foods with plenty of sugar/palm oil in them is unlikely to be that much healthier than someone who has a reasonable amount of vegetables/greens in their meals.
Though the more specific you try to get, the more curious things become: for example, the statement about eating more plant based stuff might have some opponents in the circles of people who are going for a keto diet - while i can't comment on how effective/healthy it is, i find it interesting and worthy of consideration as well.
I'd suggest that it can also depend on where one lives: the "optimal" diets of someone in Egypt, Norway and Australia might all differ as well, due to the different conditions in each place.
That said, it's not like we can't offer some general recommendations for most folk: someone who subsists off of processed foods with plenty of sugar/palm oil in them is unlikely to be that much healthier than someone who has a reasonable amount of vegetables/greens in their meals.
Though the more specific you try to get, the more curious things become: for example, the statement about eating more plant based stuff might have some opponents in the circles of people who are going for a keto diet - while i can't comment on how effective/healthy it is, i find it interesting and worthy of consideration as well.
It actually always surprises me just how long human can live when they don't outright starve to death. Or reach crazy levels of obesity (like multiple hundreds of kilograms.
And as person without kids I wonder what is good enough lifespan anyway if you are happy during it 40, 50 or 60 years? Or has it go to close to 80 or 90?
And as person without kids I wonder what is good enough lifespan anyway if you are happy during it 40, 50 or 60 years? Or has it go to close to 80 or 90?
The biggest positive effect of frequent smaller meals is steady blood sugar, which will have a very obvious impact on your mood and concentration. It also gives the body a more steady supply of nutrients, which is going to be better for any slow running activity of recovery.
The downside I guess is that you always have some proportion of your body's energy working on digestion, which could lower peak performance. And obviously that it takes more time.
The downside I guess is that you always have some proportion of your body's energy working on digestion, which could lower peak performance. And obviously that it takes more time.
You are underestimating the capacity of the human body. A healthy human body can perfectly well maintain blood sugar levels with or without eating food regularly.
Nutrition science is difficult. Most of the times it's impossible to do randomized studies on humans. Most of the times it's impossible to do blind studies. The effect sizes are relatively small and show up only after a long period. The human body is very adaptive to very different kind of diets.
It's all pseudoscience, very contradictory
It is the nature of science that we change our mind as we learn new things.
But sugar was never OK. That was pseudo-science.
A lot of dietary "information" is pseudo-science. It's not an area we've dedicated a lot of effort into because we came up with a food pyramid one time and that was that.
We're still learning how wrong we are, as is the case in most fields
But sugar was never OK. That was pseudo-science.
A lot of dietary "information" is pseudo-science. It's not an area we've dedicated a lot of effort into because we came up with a food pyramid one time and that was that.
We're still learning how wrong we are, as is the case in most fields
It's amazing how much sugar is in almost everything. I made an effort to cut out as much added sugar as I could and it's exhausting. There are over 50 synonyms for sugar that food companies use.
The research into fasting and the gut biome over the past few/several years has been fascinating, mostly because it all boils down to rather simple mechanisms with hugely beneficial results. I do wish that the media would respect their readers enough to delve into the details, because the "maybe, maybe not" summaries aren't helpful.
To expand on the detail-light article, you're not actually "fasting" until 10-12 hours after you've finished digesting the last thing you ate, at which point you're in the "postabsorptive state." During this period, autophagy breaks down damaged cells and encourages regeneration from healthier ones, resulting in reduced inflammation throughout the body, drastically increased blood glucose control, and measurably reduced risks for a number of diseases and common health issues.
The article discusses the logistics of eating schedules, but it's important to note that when it comes to autophagy, it appears that an hour is an hour. Studies into fasting 3 hours per day for one month (84-90 hours total) have roughly the same results as fasting 3-4 consecutive days in one month (72-96 total hours). So it seems that any amount of fasting you can fit into any given day is going to be beneficial. Sticking to some strict schedule may help some people keep to a routine, but it's not necessary, and may actually be detrimental for folks who feel "failure" in missing schedules or not meeting milestones.
For me, the easiest way to maximize fasting hours and still feel full throughout a day, is to eat between 10am-2pm. If I wake up around 8-9am, that's approximately 6-8 hours of fasting and ~175 hours in a month. And as for the meals, I eat a large salad and then whatever else I want in those four hours. It ends up being about 1,500 calories, and at no point during the evening do I feel hungry or even think about eating. It doesn't need to be complicated, and from the research, I feel confident that I'm getting benefits from however many hours of fasting I manage to get.
To expand on the detail-light article, you're not actually "fasting" until 10-12 hours after you've finished digesting the last thing you ate, at which point you're in the "postabsorptive state." During this period, autophagy breaks down damaged cells and encourages regeneration from healthier ones, resulting in reduced inflammation throughout the body, drastically increased blood glucose control, and measurably reduced risks for a number of diseases and common health issues.
The article discusses the logistics of eating schedules, but it's important to note that when it comes to autophagy, it appears that an hour is an hour. Studies into fasting 3 hours per day for one month (84-90 hours total) have roughly the same results as fasting 3-4 consecutive days in one month (72-96 total hours). So it seems that any amount of fasting you can fit into any given day is going to be beneficial. Sticking to some strict schedule may help some people keep to a routine, but it's not necessary, and may actually be detrimental for folks who feel "failure" in missing schedules or not meeting milestones.
For me, the easiest way to maximize fasting hours and still feel full throughout a day, is to eat between 10am-2pm. If I wake up around 8-9am, that's approximately 6-8 hours of fasting and ~175 hours in a month. And as for the meals, I eat a large salad and then whatever else I want in those four hours. It ends up being about 1,500 calories, and at no point during the evening do I feel hungry or even think about eating. It doesn't need to be complicated, and from the research, I feel confident that I'm getting benefits from however many hours of fasting I manage to get.
> The research into fasting and the gut biome over the past few/several years has been fascinating, mostly because it all boils down to rather simple mechanisms with hugely beneficial results. I do wish that the media would respect their readers enough to delve into the details, because the "maybe, maybe not" summaries aren't helpful.
It's so hard to find data that is useful enough to make intelligent decisions off of. I drink non-caffinated diet Coke nearly every day; is this actually causing my gut issues and possibly depression? The drink itself is one of the bright spots in my dull days, so stopping for an experiment is hard.
It's so hard to find data that is useful enough to make intelligent decisions off of. I drink non-caffinated diet Coke nearly every day; is this actually causing my gut issues and possibly depression? The drink itself is one of the bright spots in my dull days, so stopping for an experiment is hard.
Interestingly 'three meals a day' comes from an American advertising campaign. The book 'Three Squares: The Invention of the American Meal' goes into it all[0]
It's kind of crazy that such fundamental parts of our society are shaped by advertising and after a couple of generations we all just accept it because it's 'always been like that'.
[0]https://b-ok.cc/book/2226584/5b1aad
It's kind of crazy that such fundamental parts of our society are shaped by advertising and after a couple of generations we all just accept it because it's 'always been like that'.
[0]https://b-ok.cc/book/2226584/5b1aad
Kellogg’s also told everyone that breakfast was the most important meal of the day
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/nov/28/breakfa...
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/nov/28/breakfa...
Similarly I’ve heard our fear of the sun can be traced back to a L’Oreal campaign in the 80s
Nonsense. Us vampires predate L’Oréal by centuries.
I read a lot of history, a lot of old books, and travel a lot, and I think that makes me more resistant to the frequent claim that “such and such is a recent invention of (oppressive, capitalistic) contemporary society.” Throughout the world that I have observed first- and second-hand, morning and evening and in-between meals have always been pretty common.
“Eat like a king in the morning, a prince at noon, and a peasant at dinner”
(Moses ben Maimon or Maimonides. 1135-1404)
(Moses ben Maimon or Maimonides. 1135-1404)
I’ll spare you the click. It’s yet another article about intermittent fasting, but with a historical perspective.
I read it as an historical article about meal sizing/timing, with an intermittent fasting perspective.
I’ve been traveling for a couple of weeks, and between the jet lag and a busy schedule, I found myself shifting to a late-breakfast-then-early-dinner two meals per day schedule, so the article was timely for me.
I’ve been traveling for a couple of weeks, and between the jet lag and a busy schedule, I found myself shifting to a late-breakfast-then-early-dinner two meals per day schedule, so the article was timely for me.
I find the "three meals assumption" quite bizarre, as I don't remember the last time I ate three meals in one day. I usually have one meal a day, sometimes zero, sometimes two.
It hasn't occurred to me to eat three meals in as long as I can remember. It sounds fun, I love good food, but that would be a binge day. So when I read articles that describe how it's the social norm to eat three meals every day, or hear people making the asumption that just about everyone does that, they sound strange.
I do have snacks as well, but not a large amount and some days I don't eat anything. I'm sure my intake adds up on average, but it's not in the form of three obvious meals. There's no deliberate fasting strategy or anything. No special diet. My meals aren't particularly large either. And I do like food!
I rarely drink sugar drinks so I'm not getting alternative sustenance from that. These days due to Covid isolation I rarely have a cappuccino either - though I used to enjoy those when I went out more, and I guess you could count a milky coffee as a small meal.
I'm overweight with a somewhat rotund figure, btw. That's been true as long as I can remember as well.
It hasn't occurred to me to eat three meals in as long as I can remember. It sounds fun, I love good food, but that would be a binge day. So when I read articles that describe how it's the social norm to eat three meals every day, or hear people making the asumption that just about everyone does that, they sound strange.
I do have snacks as well, but not a large amount and some days I don't eat anything. I'm sure my intake adds up on average, but it's not in the form of three obvious meals. There's no deliberate fasting strategy or anything. No special diet. My meals aren't particularly large either. And I do like food!
I rarely drink sugar drinks so I'm not getting alternative sustenance from that. These days due to Covid isolation I rarely have a cappuccino either - though I used to enjoy those when I went out more, and I guess you could count a milky coffee as a small meal.
I'm overweight with a somewhat rotund figure, btw. That's been true as long as I can remember as well.
Interesting. What's your daily caloric intake (estimate/ballpark)?
I count my calories. And the easiest way I can enjoy my meals, have snacks and maybe a drink is to skip a meal.
3 large meals each day, adds up to a lot of calories, and if you snack and drink: game over.
3 large meals each day, adds up to a lot of calories, and if you snack and drink: game over.
Nutrition is such a difficult field to research and study. Not only are the mechanisms very complex and poorly understood, they also differ from person to person.
But, there are a few things we know: It's more important what you eat than how / how much you eat. A home-cooked, balanced plant-based diet is probably the best "life hack" you can do (if you have the time to do it, of course).
Given this, I'm a strong propononet of "listen to your body": Just eat when you feel hungry, as long as you eat healthy things (see above).
But, there are a few things we know: It's more important what you eat than how / how much you eat. A home-cooked, balanced plant-based diet is probably the best "life hack" you can do (if you have the time to do it, of course).
Given this, I'm a strong propononet of "listen to your body": Just eat when you feel hungry, as long as you eat healthy things (see above).
I’m pretty sure we don’t know that. A 400lb person will probably be healthier a year from now if they eat 1500 calories of MacDonald’s a day vs. 4000 cals of “home-cooked plant-based foods”.
Veganism is also a relatively new trend, the concept apparently didn’t exist until the 60s. I’m sure Beyond Meat etc would love for this to be “common sense” though
Yeah plant based diets makes it even more complex and less understood, and they have many obvious big downsides that are not really addressed.
Plant based diets are "good" if you are having issues with overeating/overweight and/or a diet lacking vegetables. I guess that's a lot of people, but definitely not everyone.
Plant based diets are "good" if you are having issues with overeating/overweight and/or a diet lacking vegetables. I guess that's a lot of people, but definitely not everyone.
More complex? Less understood? Many obvious big downsides not really addressed?
You have no idea what you're talking about obviously, just spreading fud.
I think it's clear that even though beyond meat is plant-based, it's not healthy. Note that I said balanced plant-based diet.
Somewhat ironically close to my present diet: one fatty meal a day, c. 6pm of c. 1,300 cals -- and a snack c. 9pm of c. 200 cals.
I switched to this because my usual post-winter diet wasn't effective, and this is.
I switched to this because my usual post-winter diet wasn't effective, and this is.
Ok yes there is nunance in everything. But I said a balanced plant-based diet. The balanced is key. In my book, if you eat 4000 cals a day of plant-based meal, either you have a huge stomach volume or you're not eating balanced.
I've noticed that if I choose my meal carefully, then I can eat one big meal per day at lunch, and not go hungrier than usual.
It gets quite boring after a while, but breaking this once a week with an extra pizza, burger, or whatever, might be the trick to keep this up.
So far I have NOT been able to keep the diet, the discipline is difficult, but from everything I read, eating less results in improved health.
It gets quite boring after a while, but breaking this once a week with an extra pizza, burger, or whatever, might be the trick to keep this up.
So far I have NOT been able to keep the diet, the discipline is difficult, but from everything I read, eating less results in improved health.
Similarly Ayurveda (comes from Hindu sages) they say the opposite of what i was taught in school. I remember a nutritionist coming
in to tell us to have a heavy breakfast, medium sized lunch and light dinner.Ayurvedaa recommends the lunch meal being the heaviest as it lines up with your Agni (digestive fire) being at peak and in synchronization with the Sun reaching its highest point.
I honestly think it depends a lot on climate and the type of work you do.
Hot climates vs cold climates, hard manual work vs sitting at a desk.
Given that range I doubt there's any one size fits all "best" regimen.
Hot climates vs cold climates, hard manual work vs sitting at a desk.
Given that range I doubt there's any one size fits all "best" regimen.
and in synchronization with the Sun reaching its highest point.
The inadequately understood influence of solar tides on digestion.
Humour aside, three meals represents the sweet spot for labour to produce edible food in the circumstances we found ourselves in. Grazing would interfere with other necessities of life for most people once some kind of division of labour emerged.
The inadequately understood influence of solar tides on digestion.
Humour aside, three meals represents the sweet spot for labour to produce edible food in the circumstances we found ourselves in. Grazing would interfere with other necessities of life for most people once some kind of division of labour emerged.
The heavy breakfast thing originates from the fact that peope fast during their sleep which recovers their insulin sensitivity so eating breakfast makes them feel more full. If you skip breakfast and fast until lunch then you are fasting for a longer period.
The human body is basically a battery that gets recharged or discharged. A lot of diets are focused around charging your body more slowly instead of discharging it. No wonder they all fail.
The human body is basically a battery that gets recharged or discharged. A lot of diets are focused around charging your body more slowly instead of discharging it. No wonder they all fail.
For me, fasting in Ramadan has reduced my eating frequency and I noticed that every year during this time my resting heart rate drops significantly. It kinda tells how much your heart works on your digestion.
It doesn't signify your heart slowing down because it doesn't have to digest food. A low heart rate suggests low metabolism (response of body to low amounts of carbohydrates available to it in order to be converted readily to ATP molecules and save them in case of emergencies)
> Data shows that if you don't eat breakfast, you're going to eat fewer calories overall that day.
Interesting that that's 'science', because that's definitely my experience. I generally have 2 meals a day, skipping breakfast (maybe a late brunch), but if I do for some reason have an early/'normal' breakfast I find I'm really hungry the rest of the day, want an early lunch, want supper at a more normal time (otherwise left to my own devices I shift quite late in the day).
> "In the 1950s breakfast becomes how we recognise it today: cereal and toast. Prior to that we were happy to eat a piece of bread with jam."
An odd quote? Quite a generalised personal preference?
Interesting that that's 'science', because that's definitely my experience. I generally have 2 meals a day, skipping breakfast (maybe a late brunch), but if I do for some reason have an early/'normal' breakfast I find I'm really hungry the rest of the day, want an early lunch, want supper at a more normal time (otherwise left to my own devices I shift quite late in the day).
> "In the 1950s breakfast becomes how we recognise it today: cereal and toast. Prior to that we were happy to eat a piece of bread with jam."
An odd quote? Quite a generalised personal preference?
I eat one or two. One each of the last two days for instance.
Breakfast went out 20 years ago. Just way too many calories.
Breakfast went out 20 years ago. Just way too many calories.
I also noticed that the feelings of hunger are very malleable. Everyday hunger seems to be a habit. Once you are used to eating at a certain hour, you will feel hungry as it approaches, then the feeling will disappear again. It takes several days to extinguish that reflex.
Looking at the state of obesity in the richer half of the world today, I wonder if we should promote IF as an alternative to contemporary eating standards. It is not a magic bullet and it may harm people with eating disorders, but the disease burden caused by overeating is an order of magnitude larger.
The real trouble with IF is probably that it is nigh impossible to make money on it. Squaring market economy with less consumption - against vital interests of Coca-Cola, Nestlé etc. - seems to be impossible. It took a lot of effort to reduce prevalence of smoking, even though it smells badly and it is repulsive to non-smokers. We didn't even make a dent in alcoholism. And food is attractive, good smelling and absolutely necessary for our survival.
Humanity seems to be destined for a future of gluttony. I am almost 44. During my life, I have seen children and elderly alike blowing up like balloons. Unlike many "old geezer complaints", this process is measurable and even obvious in plain sight, when you compare older street photographs to the situation today. What an intractable problem we've got ourselves into.