Def Con hacker shows John Deere’s tractors can run Doom(theverge.com)

58 pointsby thunderbong4 anni fa19 comments

Def Con hacker shows John Deere’s tractors can run Doom

https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/15/23306650/def-con-hacker-john-deere-tractors-run-doom-right-to-repair

20 comments

lloeki4 anni fa

I don't know if this was a keynote or something but the article feels like it spoiled the punchline (somewhat expecting the keynote to have an unassuming title like "hacking farmware for the greater good", describing the hack, and then booting that gloriously modded doom as the absolute punchline)

But I wonder if the (sad sad) punchline is buried in the tweets:

> Sick Codes has jailbroken a John Deere, and this is just the beginning. Turns out our entire food system is built on outdated, unpatched Linux and Windows CE hardware with LTE modems.

Decades of such nonsense on commodity routers yet still preventing users access "for security" and regulatory approval, same circus all over again, except with a bunch of metric tons of metal on wheels instead of a RF emitting plastic box.

I'm half jokingly waiting for mysterious crop circles to remotely deface fields anytime soon.

mattdanger4 anni fa

Previous work by sickcodes can be found here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXbgaRk4_Hg

  1. dev keys in prod code, but apparently non functional
  2. username/pass for deere's Yum repo hardcoded in prod release (spring2013)
  3. They didn't prune the lost+found dir (trash) before compiling the prod release code

DoingIsLearning4 anni fa

From the tweet the OS is Wind River Linux 8

I only knew WindRiver for VxWorks didn't know they rolled out their own Linux distro. TIL

ChrisArchitect4 anni fa

[dupe]

A few other ongoing discussions:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32457590

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32461238

lambdasquirrel4 anni fa

Pretty nice and all. If they can make tractors with hardware that capable, they could probably give farmers the right to repair?

rmason4 anni fa

You can say the same thing about Tesla. Ever watch any of the videos from Rich Benoit of Electrified Garage? He had to get a ballot initiative passed in Massachusetts forcing Tesla to sell him parts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3vhtI7tTPk

istinetz4 anni fa

^ the definition of whataboutism

OJFord4 anni fa

'Whataboutism' would be 'why should they have to do that, it's no different to cars, Tesla also won't sell you parts' or similar.

I.e. arguing that it's fine because of some similar example, not simply providing another example.

smcl4 anni fa

This isn't whataboutism. Both comments seem to be in agreement on the idea that users should be able to service their vehicle whether that's a tractor or a car.

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teekert4 anni fa

I guess were all waiting for fields in the semi-shade of solar panels with a slew of robots powered by said panels, automating sowing to reaping.

leshenka4 anni fa

reaping and tearing, too!

what-imright4 anni fa

Great Doom. That’ll help the farmers

willcipriano4 anni fa

Doom is the hello world of arbitrary code execution. It's not that it can run Doom, it's that it can run almost anything.

Akronymus4 anni fa

Doom is also turing complete. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6hnQ1RKhbo

https://calabi-yau.space/blog/doom.html

emkemp4 anni fa

Obligatory SMBC:

https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2011-02-17

m-p-34 anni fa

That was just the cherry on top of an otherwise depressingly enlightening presentation on the sad state of farmer equipment running outdated and insecure softwares while they're attempting to lock everyone out but themselves (John Deere).

brokenmachine4 anni fa

When can we watch the talk?

wantoncl4 anni fa

Obligatory: But can it run Crysis?

teddyh4 anni fa

A Beowulf cluster of them might.