What Alan Turing means to us(turing.ac.uk)
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What Alan Turing means to us
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Made even more bizarre for the fact that its on HN. This isn't some generic subreddit, presumably most people understand that a topic as vast as computer science couldn't possibly be attributed to one person, but that doesn't make the contributions of these early pioneers any less.
A lot of what Turing did was kept classified or not publicized too much by the British government. They seem to have done a complete 180 on this relatively recently (now that tech and SV are all over the news) and seem to want to brand anything computing related with his name.
Am-I the only one that finds is odd how the British government brags about Alan Turing after what they did to him? Having a government research center named after him seems particularly strange after what they had him endure. The state forced him to undergo chemical castration because of his homosexuality. Same state kept his achievements and contribution to the war effort a secret up until after his death, so they could persecute a war hero without the public knowing about it.
Crazy to think he was convicted in 1952. Same year Elizabeth became Queen and head of the British government. She could have simply overturned his conviction, as British law allowed her to do so. But she and the crown chose not to.
The man saved women, men, children, of all races and orientations from an horrible end. Had he not cracked the enigma's cryptography, there would most likely remain nothing today of the crown that persecuted him. Blown to dust by the Luftwaffe.
If only the British government had extended the same humanity to Turing himself.
Am-I the only one that finds is odd how the British government brags about Alan Turing after what they did to him? Having a government research center named after him seems particularly strange after what they had him endure. The state forced him to undergo chemical castration because of his homosexuality. Same state kept his achievements and contribution to the war effort a secret up until after his death, so they could persecute a war hero without the public knowing about it.
Crazy to think he was convicted in 1952. Same year Elizabeth became Queen and head of the British government. She could have simply overturned his conviction, as British law allowed her to do so. But she and the crown chose not to.
The man saved women, men, children, of all races and orientations from an horrible end. Had he not cracked the enigma's cryptography, there would most likely remain nothing today of the crown that persecuted him. Blown to dust by the Luftwaffe.
If only the British government had extended the same humanity to Turing himself.
"The British Government" isn't some singular immortal person. I imagine the people in charge of naming this academic institute had nothing to do with his conviction or homosexuality laws in the 1950s, they most likely weren't even alive then.
> Same state kept his achievements and contribution to the war effort a secret up until after his death, so they could persecute a war hero without the public knowing about it.
Thats not exactly a fair representation of what happened. They kept everything about the cracking of the Enigma a secret because it was a huge shift in information warfare. Also, while Turing was a big part of it Bletchley Park had hundreds of staff, and all of them were equally impacted by post-ware secrecy provisions.
Implying that he, and he alone, was responsible for the cracking of the Enigma and that he alone was suppressed in history is a wild mischaracterisation of the realities of the time.
* necessary disclaimer: Turing was unquestionably a war hero and what happened to him post-WWI was barbaric and a dark mark on history.
Thats not exactly a fair representation of what happened. They kept everything about the cracking of the Enigma a secret because it was a huge shift in information warfare. Also, while Turing was a big part of it Bletchley Park had hundreds of staff, and all of them were equally impacted by post-ware secrecy provisions.
Implying that he, and he alone, was responsible for the cracking of the Enigma and that he alone was suppressed in history is a wild mischaracterisation of the realities of the time.
* necessary disclaimer: Turing was unquestionably a war hero and what happened to him post-WWI was barbaric and a dark mark on history.
"We have always been at war with Oceania."
In all seriousness, governments consist of the people of a given time, and as such, attitudes change. While an apologetic stance probably should be held, the people responsible for the shift in stance aren't likely to carry any of their predecessors' due guilt.
In all seriousness, governments consist of the people of a given time, and as such, attitudes change. While an apologetic stance probably should be held, the people responsible for the shift in stance aren't likely to carry any of their predecessors' due guilt.
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I like how he tried to disprove the Riemann Hypothesis. That's actually how I first heard of Alan Turing, by seeing his paper on the subject. https://www-users.cse.umn.edu/~odlyzko/doc/turing.zeta.pdf
To anyone who questions Turing singular contribution, not just to computer science, but to technological civilization in general I would point to one pithy fact: Alan Turing invented software. Computing machines existed before Turing, but they were all purpose-built for a single task. Turing was the first to describe a machine whose behavior could be changed to do anything you wished without modifying the hardware. The details of the architecture of the machines we use to perform computations today differ in detail from Turing's original design, but not in their essence, and not in their fundamental capabilities. The list of people who had as much practical positive impact on the world as Alan Turing can probably be counted on the fingers of one hand.
There is an article by Schmidhuber about early theoretical computer science to which Turing made contributions:
https://people.idsia.ch/~juergen/turing-oversold.html
He claims Turing's achievements are often oversold. Whether or not that is true, the historical connections to Turing's theoretical work are interesting.
https://people.idsia.ch/~juergen/turing-oversold.html
He claims Turing's achievements are often oversold. Whether or not that is true, the historical connections to Turing's theoretical work are interesting.
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I remain in awe of him. Turing indisputably had an incredibly important role in computer science. His code-breaking work saved many lives in WWII, and he even contributed an important result to biology:
https://www.nature.com/articles/nrm3120
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chemical_Basis_of_Morphoge...
The way he was treated by his country after all he achieved and the lives he saved is a great outrage and a tragedy, and I always wonder what else he may have contributed to the world had he lived longer.
The way he was treated by his country after all he achieved and the lives he saved is a great outrage and a tragedy, and I always wonder what else he may have contributed to the world had he lived longer.
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I really don't like the web page design - images that expressnothing, similarly flabby text.
My Dad actually met Turing, so i have always been excited (shake the hand that shook the hand) by him, and what he accomplished, but this page doesn't do anything for me, or i expect for anyone else.
My Dad actually met Turing, so i have always been excited (shake the hand that shook the hand) by him, and what he accomplished, but this page doesn't do anything for me, or i expect for anyone else.
Although I believe that Claude Shannon [1] was the father of computers and a much more important person than Alan Turing who probably had a more "controversial" personality and thus he became a "cinematic" figure.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Shannon
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Shannon
Possibly - but this thread is about Turing, because of an article about Alan Turing, which was posted by the Alan Turing institute on the anniversary of the birthday of, you guessed it, Alan Turing.
Why the need to play one up?
Why the need to play one up?
Because Shannon's name has to be heard as well just for some people who admire Steve Jobs as the biggest IT Idol in the universe and have no idea who the hell is Dennis Ritchie. Just saying..
Great, write a blog post on him then and post it here for us all to read.
Neither being gay nor being forcibly castrated has anything to do with personality [1].
[1] Link to Wikipedia personality page
"While there is no generally agreed-upon definition of personality"
Are you sure?
Are you sure?
Yes, I am sure. Read the rest of the article. None of the disagreement is about sexual orientation being part of personality.
Well I am not, but I believe it can shape some aspects of it.
But since I find you so dogmatic about it how about reading some papers which I really found very easily on google: https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/finding-new-home/2...
You claimed it was Turing's personality which made him a "cinematic figure". Now you are coming with irrelevant articles about how sexual orientation is linked to personal traits like openness, agreeableness and conscientiousness. For your argument to follow, it should be that one of these made him a cinematic figure, huh?
Both were important, as well as many others, like Kurt Gödel.
Science is about growing the frontier of knowledge, akin to making a cake larger, not dividing up a cake.
Science is about growing the frontier of knowledge, akin to making a cake larger, not dividing up a cake.
Nobody is trying to argue that Turing is the *only* important figure in computing. The fact that he is celebrated doesn't negate the impact of anybody else.
Edited to add: For anyone who's doubting Turing's impact on computing, or anyone who thinks that it's a modern phenomenon, Kleene's 1971 textbook [1] makes it pretty clear that he had an important impact.
[1]: https://archive.org/details/BubliothecaMathematicaStephenCol...