Anduril Fury: Automomous Stealth Drone(anduril.com)
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Anduril Fury: Automomous Stealth Drone
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If you’re trying to sell to other NATO countries, like Canada, Denmark, the UK, Germany, who are actively trying to reduce their emissions, yeah it might matter. A plane with lower emissions is just going to be more competitive.
Everyone who buys this or any other fighter jet is really hoping they don’t have to use it to kill anyone. The primary use case is as deterrence. These things will spend a lot of time just patrolling—and that uses a lot of fuel and emits a lot of carbon.
Everyone who buys this or any other fighter jet is really hoping they don’t have to use it to kill anyone. The primary use case is as deterrence. These things will spend a lot of time just patrolling—and that uses a lot of fuel and emits a lot of carbon.
> This is a machine to kill people, is anyone worried about its carbon footprint.
Well, yeah, the people buying “machines to kill people” seem to see that as a concern:
https://www.defense.gov/spotlights/tackling-the-climate-cris...
Well, yeah, the people buying “machines to kill people” seem to see that as a concern:
https://www.defense.gov/spotlights/tackling-the-climate-cris...
Killing people is an excellent way to reduce global carbon emissions.
I was going to say, "hey, maybe nuclear winter can help too!" but it sounds like maybe that whole thing was overstated
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_winter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_winter
Yeah the model they based it on had a lot of flaws, a lot of which got called into question after Gulf War 1 fires in Kuwait. Not a ton of research since then, either.
I think you meant 'efficient' instead of 'excellent'? ;)
Your point is well made but I stand by my rampant misanthropy.
Killing the right people, efficiently at the lowest cost :p
See? Someone else gets it.
May have some trouble killing people with an aircraft which doesn't carry any weapons. This is a reconnaissance drone.
This isn't satire. Environmental footprint of the military is one of the primary concerns in the time of peace, which is most of the time. Depleted uranium ammo, toxic fuel leaks etc.
I love the dilemma faced by a large block of U.S. citizens: if you support the Ukrainian cause and U.S. military aid to Ukraine do you then support Anduril, a leading drone innovator during the largest drone war ever seen? Judging by the other comments posted here it appears difficult to let Palmer off the hook for his political donations to The Wrong Party which got him fired from Meta. Which Way, Western Man?
I think most people care about Ukraine defending itself against Russia aggression.
Whatever is needed to support that is a secondary consideration.
Also it is illegal to be fired for your political views. In the case of Palmer it was more likely because of his incompetence over the Zenimax situation:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-real-reason-palmer-luckey-...
Whatever is needed to support that is a secondary consideration.
Also it is illegal to be fired for your political views. In the case of Palmer it was more likely because of his incompetence over the Zenimax situation:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-real-reason-palmer-luckey-...
Aren’t you inventing this schadenfreude? The innovation in Ukraine seems more local and low-cost based on commercial tech as well as providing modern cruise missiles. Right now Anduril aren’t having any impact on that conflict?
Anduril drones were in one of aid packages
It would have been helpful to include a link so here you go: https://www.airandspaceforces.com/cutting-edge-drones-headed...
Also details some of the other drones promised in the same aid package and that Ukraine would like the battle proven, more capable larger drones.
Also details some of the other drones promised in the same aid package and that Ukraine would like the battle proven, more capable larger drones.
I'm struggling to understand your point.
Is it that someone who a) believes the best path to peace and stability in the region is a Ukrainian defeat of Russia and b) also opposes Donald Trump's, say, tax policy has a "dilemma" in whether to support military aid that goes to Anduril (and thus, ultimately, potentially to Trump's re-election)?
If so, this seems like a pretty facile point.
Like, life is full of pros and cons. I want to leave my umbrella at home so my bag is lighter, but I want to have it with me if it rains. WHICH WAY, WESTERN MAN!?!
In a democracy, you sometimes have to do business with people with whom you disagree. You also might try to avoid doing business with them, all else being equal. WHICH WAY?!
I dunno. I feel like you thought you had some sort of deep philosophical point, but I'm not getting it I guess?
Is it that someone who a) believes the best path to peace and stability in the region is a Ukrainian defeat of Russia and b) also opposes Donald Trump's, say, tax policy has a "dilemma" in whether to support military aid that goes to Anduril (and thus, ultimately, potentially to Trump's re-election)?
If so, this seems like a pretty facile point.
Like, life is full of pros and cons. I want to leave my umbrella at home so my bag is lighter, but I want to have it with me if it rains. WHICH WAY, WESTERN MAN!?!
In a democracy, you sometimes have to do business with people with whom you disagree. You also might try to avoid doing business with them, all else being equal. WHICH WAY?!
I dunno. I feel like you thought you had some sort of deep philosophical point, but I'm not getting it I guess?
Not the OP, but I think the stated point is that some people are strictly against the development of products for the military and warfare, but then support situations when those products are used.
I'm in kind of a similar boat, where personally I would not want to ever work on weapons, but at the same time admit their necessity. My hope over time is that conflict becomes less violent and more economic, but induced poverty also has deadly consequences...
I'm in kind of a similar boat, where personally I would not want to ever work on weapons, but at the same time admit their necessity. My hope over time is that conflict becomes less violent and more economic, but induced poverty also has deadly consequences...
I suspect the number of people who believe in total unilateral disarmament and military aid to Ukraine--yes, I agree that's an internally inconsistent point of view--is vanishingly small, and not, as @yinser snarkily wrote, "a large block of US citizens."
No doubt there are a far larger number who find weapons development distasteful or would not personally want to work on weapons, but nonetheless recognize it as an unfortunate but pragmatic necessity.
I suppose, if one were given to inane Internet snark, one might say, "Haha, you refuse to become a proctologist, yet you go for your colonoscopy. WHICH WAY WESTERN MAN?" But, frankly, that would make you look stupid, just like @yinser does.
No doubt there are a far larger number who find weapons development distasteful or would not personally want to work on weapons, but nonetheless recognize it as an unfortunate but pragmatic necessity.
I suppose, if one were given to inane Internet snark, one might say, "Haha, you refuse to become a proctologist, yet you go for your colonoscopy. WHICH WAY WESTERN MAN?" But, frankly, that would make you look stupid, just like @yinser does.
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> if you support the Ukrainian cause and U.S. military aid to Ukraine do you then support Anduril, a leading drone innovator during the largest drone war ever seen?
You should support the cause, but to begin with you should know if they are real. So far, for the amount of PR we see, it's a company without a single widget sold, but megatons of very photoshopy looking photos, and 3D animations. And Palmer Luckey, you know his reputation.
Anduril was previously caught passing off a Chinese toy helicopter as his own invention https://ibb.co/8DT5JMc . What it seems they did was to wrap a Chinese toy into a "military looking" sheet metal, with anodized trinkets glued on. I see the same parts in RC toy stores all the time.
The largest manufacturers of drones for Ukraine are Polish, and Ukrainians themselves. They are already reaching into tens of thousands. For recon, DJI are still the best due to excellent Sony cameras they have.
US can directly fund Ukrainian drone makers and have far bigger effect immediately, but better focus on what others can't: very large drones like Global Hawks, Reapers, and fighter jets.
And ammo issue, USA is not making even 1% of what it can. Even bombed out Ukraine now manufactures more ammo for itself than USA makes after billions sank into paperwork needed to expand the production, but only tiny actual investment into factories expansion.
You should support the cause, but to begin with you should know if they are real. So far, for the amount of PR we see, it's a company without a single widget sold, but megatons of very photoshopy looking photos, and 3D animations. And Palmer Luckey, you know his reputation.
Anduril was previously caught passing off a Chinese toy helicopter as his own invention https://ibb.co/8DT5JMc . What it seems they did was to wrap a Chinese toy into a "military looking" sheet metal, with anodized trinkets glued on. I see the same parts in RC toy stores all the time.
The largest manufacturers of drones for Ukraine are Polish, and Ukrainians themselves. They are already reaching into tens of thousands. For recon, DJI are still the best due to excellent Sony cameras they have.
US can directly fund Ukrainian drone makers and have far bigger effect immediately, but better focus on what others can't: very large drones like Global Hawks, Reapers, and fighter jets.
And ammo issue, USA is not making even 1% of what it can. Even bombed out Ukraine now manufactures more ammo for itself than USA makes after billions sank into paperwork needed to expand the production, but only tiny actual investment into factories expansion.
> So far, for the amount of PR we see, it's a company without a single widget sold, but megatons of very photoshopy looking photos, and 3D animations.
Anduril Industries won a nearly $1 billion contract to do counter-unmanned systems work for Special Operations Command, the Department of Defense announced Thursday - https://fedscoop.com/anduril-nabs-1b-contract-for-anti-drone....
Except you know something we don't know, in which case you can report to the US military and claim a big whistleblower award..
Anduril Industries won a nearly $1 billion contract to do counter-unmanned systems work for Special Operations Command, the Department of Defense announced Thursday - https://fedscoop.com/anduril-nabs-1b-contract-for-anti-drone....
Except you know something we don't know, in which case you can report to the US military and claim a big whistleblower award..
The side view reminds me of Thurderbird 2.
https://media.sketchfab.com/models/c550510b39a948dfa6adfd571...
https://media.sketchfab.com/models/c550510b39a948dfa6adfd571...
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Is this its final form? The rudder and horizontal stabilisers seem to form a right angle. I thought that was a big no-no in stealth.
What is the big vision at Anduril? SpaceX has the goal to make life multiplanetary, which sets them apart from the old crop of rocket companies.
This drone looks no different than what comes out of Lockheed?
This drone looks no different than what comes out of Lockheed?
Like Aaron said, also, from what I've seen firsthand, they've been poaching LockBoNorthRay like mad the last five years or so. I mean, it's not that hard; odds are the pay bump was measurable and you were sharing an asbestos cubicle with a toxic growth of fiftysomething chairwarmers who don't know what the wheel on a mouse does.
Word is Anduril's trying to do the SpaceX thing to defense. Personal ideology aside, more power to 'em; DoD procurement is a lightless nightmare realm from which nothing good can emerge.
Word is Anduril's trying to do the SpaceX thing to defense. Personal ideology aside, more power to 'em; DoD procurement is a lightless nightmare realm from which nothing good can emerge.
"The SpaceX thing to defence" - SpaceX introduced reusable rockets and e.g. builds their own rocket engines... I feel that I can explain unique things that set SpaceX apart from legacy companies. And that those things are not just "they are a startup and the legacy companies are not".
But for Anduril I fail to see what they actually do that is so revolutionary vs what was already out there. And most of the info out there, including here, is about the founder and not the company. But perhaps it's just that the cool demos are not public.
But for Anduril I fail to see what they actually do that is so revolutionary vs what was already out there. And most of the info out there, including here, is about the founder and not the company. But perhaps it's just that the cool demos are not public.
All true, agreed. IMO SpaceX also took the fifty-cubic-kilometer mound of paperwork surrounding orbital launch, surveyed it carefully with a steely gaze, then pulled out their unit and pissed all over it.
OK, I say that with some levity. From what I've seen, it was far more subtle, and this is the aspect, the "secret sauce", that Anduril might be looking to replicate.
What they really did - one of the things, the thing that's in my core interest - was go through the . . tens of thousands . . of specifications, and isolate the ones that actually mattered, versus the ones that were good but onerously labor intensive[1], versus the ones that weren't only not necessary but which were unfalsifiable[2].
One of SpaceX's great advantages is that they could just deep six such very-expensive-hourly-headcount piles of "work", before they got stuck up to their axles in an entirely speculative systems engineering approach or some other brilliant piece of paperwork.
[1] Like looking for "commonality" when no such thing exists or is even possible. SpaceX doesn't waste time trying to show how "modular" their crap is according to some spec or other - when a variant goes far enough afield, they don't hesitate to cut the cord and roll a new product. False equivalence is a poison pill across all of aerospace, but in MIL-STD especially.
[2] Like the DoD mapping of Mil-STD-881 to MIL-STD-498 to goddamn scrums - how the hell do you tell if that's useful or not? Or if it's an actual thing in the world? You can't. It's horseshit, a six million dollar Powerpoint slide.
OK, I say that with some levity. From what I've seen, it was far more subtle, and this is the aspect, the "secret sauce", that Anduril might be looking to replicate.
What they really did - one of the things, the thing that's in my core interest - was go through the . . tens of thousands . . of specifications, and isolate the ones that actually mattered, versus the ones that were good but onerously labor intensive[1], versus the ones that weren't only not necessary but which were unfalsifiable[2].
One of SpaceX's great advantages is that they could just deep six such very-expensive-hourly-headcount piles of "work", before they got stuck up to their axles in an entirely speculative systems engineering approach or some other brilliant piece of paperwork.
[1] Like looking for "commonality" when no such thing exists or is even possible. SpaceX doesn't waste time trying to show how "modular" their crap is according to some spec or other - when a variant goes far enough afield, they don't hesitate to cut the cord and roll a new product. False equivalence is a poison pill across all of aerospace, but in MIL-STD especially.
[2] Like the DoD mapping of Mil-STD-881 to MIL-STD-498 to goddamn scrums - how the hell do you tell if that's useful or not? Or if it's an actual thing in the world? You can't. It's horseshit, a six million dollar Powerpoint slide.
What Anduril is trying to do is to first build product that they think the customers will need, on their own dime, and with no exact specs from DoD or anyone else, and then present the (more or less) finished product to the customer, and tell them to take it or leave it. This removes the need for negotiating R&D contracts, preparing detailed spec or working with someone else’s detailed spec etc, and does cut significant amount of process related red tape. The risk here is that the customer will, indeed, leave it instead of buying, which means that R&D costs are not recouped.
My impression was that Anduril wanted to own the software for multi-(thing) coordination.
i.e. consume information from multiple sources (satellites, ground stations, planes, drones) and use it to coordinate the action of other drones/planes/etc.
There's a list of things they actually do now on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anduril_Industries (see "Lattice" in particular)
There was an announcement last week (and yesterday) about a "Replicator" initiative from the DoD (using large numbers of cheap drones) that seems largely aimed at countering China in the Taiwan Strait; I can imagine this is the sort of business they want to be involved with.
https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2023/8/29/n...
""" With Replicator, we're beginning with all-domain, attritable autonomy, or ADA2, to help us overcome the PRC's advantage in mass: more ships, more missiles, more forces.
Before Russia invaded Ukraine again last February, they had that advantage too. Yet we've seen in Ukraine what low-cost, attritable systems can do — not to mention other commercial technologies.
They can help a determined defender stop a larger aggressor from achieving its objectives, put fewer people in the line of fire, and be made, fielded, and upgraded at the speed warfighters need, without long maintenance tails.
At DoD, we've already been investing in attritable autonomous systems [...] and in multiple domains: self-piloting ships, uncrewed aircraft, and more.
Now is the time to scale, with systems that are harder to plan for, harder to hit, and harder to beat than those of potential competitors. """
- (2023-09-06) https://www.defense.gov/News/Speeches/Speech/Article/3517213...
i.e. consume information from multiple sources (satellites, ground stations, planes, drones) and use it to coordinate the action of other drones/planes/etc.
There's a list of things they actually do now on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anduril_Industries (see "Lattice" in particular)
There was an announcement last week (and yesterday) about a "Replicator" initiative from the DoD (using large numbers of cheap drones) that seems largely aimed at countering China in the Taiwan Strait; I can imagine this is the sort of business they want to be involved with.
https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2023/8/29/n...
""" With Replicator, we're beginning with all-domain, attritable autonomy, or ADA2, to help us overcome the PRC's advantage in mass: more ships, more missiles, more forces.
Before Russia invaded Ukraine again last February, they had that advantage too. Yet we've seen in Ukraine what low-cost, attritable systems can do — not to mention other commercial technologies.
They can help a determined defender stop a larger aggressor from achieving its objectives, put fewer people in the line of fire, and be made, fielded, and upgraded at the speed warfighters need, without long maintenance tails.
At DoD, we've already been investing in attritable autonomous systems [...] and in multiple domains: self-piloting ships, uncrewed aircraft, and more.
Now is the time to scale, with systems that are harder to plan for, harder to hit, and harder to beat than those of potential competitors. """
- (2023-09-06) https://www.defense.gov/News/Speeches/Speech/Article/3517213...
Read Christian Brose's Kill Chain: https://www.amazon.com/Kill-Chain-Defending-America-High-Tec...
The founder spent a ton of cash on “shitposters” supporting Donald Trump in 2016[1], his sister is married to an infamous Congressman, and the name of the company is cribbed from Tolkien. What more do you need?
[1] https://www.theverge.com/2016/9/23/13025422/palmer-luckey-oc...
[1] https://www.theverge.com/2016/9/23/13025422/palmer-luckey-oc...
It's amazing/amusing that these presumably multimillion dollar weapon systems have a product page that looks like Apples.
Anduril is a company founded by Palmer Luckey, also known for making Oculus VR. So, it's not that surprising that the same marketing style transitioned to the new place.
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Amazing technology to sustain such primitive ideology
Yes we should stop innovating and let China and Russia create autonomous drones so that they can impose their very refined ideology based on conquest on the world.
We are so primitive my fellow americans, how dare we create weapons.
What primitive ideology?
That you need to attack others to preserve your lifestyle, and if you don't do it, they will do it. Without even thinking about what are the root causes.
Or, maybe, we could all commit on not stepping on each other’s toes and be happy, each with their own lifestyle?
One of the key pillars of globalisation is that it makes wars prohibitively expensive - not only you need to fund them, but, most importantly, you end up breaking a lot of your own supply chains.
One of the key pillars of globalisation is that it makes wars prohibitively expensive - not only you need to fund them, but, most importantly, you end up breaking a lot of your own supply chains.
What's your less primitive ideology. Don't have an army and hope that nobody notices? How naive.
Makes me sad. I love everything about the company other than the use case of their products. steep innovation, hardware, robotics, NixOS, design sensibility, supposedly good comp.
Current use case includes defending Ukraine from genocidal invasion.
China with the same weapon can invade us next
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What really gets me in relation to Ukraine and Russia is that it could all have been resolved by ensuring long term access to Sevastopol and, maybe, a commitment not to join NATO.
You don’t poke a bear with a toothpick and then call it unfair when they tear your limbs off.
You don’t poke a bear with a toothpick and then call it unfair when they tear your limbs off.
I genuinely cannot believe they tout that in their marketing.
This is a machine to kill people, is anyone worried about its carbon footprint.
(Is this page satire I fell for?)