Apple Entrepreneur Camp(developer.apple.com)
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Apple Entrepreneur Camp
https://developer.apple.com/entrepreneur-camp/
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I’m interested in how orgs choose which underrepresented groups to target. This program works to improve female, black, indigenous, and Hispanic people.
But they don’t target (or allow really) non-binary or lgbt (except trans women are allowed). Or don’t allow Arab/middle-eastern persons. Etc etc.
I think it’s cool that an org as large as Apple is working to improve representation but am interested in what criteria are used to specify underrepresented.
But they don’t target (or allow really) non-binary or lgbt (except trans women are allowed). Or don’t allow Arab/middle-eastern persons. Etc etc.
I think it’s cool that an org as large as Apple is working to improve representation but am interested in what criteria are used to specify underrepresented.
Don’t take middle eastern people not being eligible for the programme as Apple refusing to label them underrepresented.
They choose which underrepresented groups to target based on the resources they have. If Apple didn’t have any non-binary people qualified to provide counselling, then they can’t offer support to them.
Hopefully they source experts externally in the future and expand this offering to more underrepresented groups.
They choose which underrepresented groups to target based on the resources they have. If Apple didn’t have any non-binary people qualified to provide counselling, then they can’t offer support to them.
Hopefully they source experts externally in the future and expand this offering to more underrepresented groups.
I am neurodivergent.
Can I come in from the cold?
It does seem odd that there are no sessions open to anyone.
Can I come in from the cold?
It does seem odd that there are no sessions open to anyone.
I feel like I need to preface this question: I’m in no way disparaging this program or interested in started a sociopolitical debate here.
Is there a similar program that a white male would qualify for? It looks interesting, but it’s apparently closed to me unless I lie by claiming to be something I’m not.
Is there a similar program that a white male would qualify for? It looks interesting, but it’s apparently closed to me unless I lie by claiming to be something I’m not.
Do you believe that you need special counselling on starting a business due to your struggle with the unique challenges of being a white male? Because that is what this is for.
Assuming the grand parent comment is true to their word and they don’t mean it disparagingly, I think we can easily see what they mean.
After a quick glance here’s what’s being offered in this program: - 1 year free of apple dev program (laughably little time in my view btw) - seemingly 1 on 1 support with experienced devs to help you build your first app(s)
Yes, it’s good that being provided for underrepresented devs. But also, and I think this is what GP comment is asking, why isn’t this offered in a larger capacity?
As someone who paid Apple 400$ just to keep my dev license so people around the world could download my free apps while I was super poor in college.. I kinda feel where this person is coming from.
After a quick glance here’s what’s being offered in this program: - 1 year free of apple dev program (laughably little time in my view btw) - seemingly 1 on 1 support with experienced devs to help you build your first app(s)
Yes, it’s good that being provided for underrepresented devs. But also, and I think this is what GP comment is asking, why isn’t this offered in a larger capacity?
As someone who paid Apple 400$ just to keep my dev license so people around the world could download my free apps while I was super poor in college.. I kinda feel where this person is coming from.
> why isn’t this offered in a larger capacity?
What GP is misunderstanding is that this isn’t a “here’s how to write good code” programme. This is a “what to do when you get told ‘a woman could never run a successful business’ in a VC meeting” programme.
What GP is misunderstanding is that this isn’t a “here’s how to write good code” programme. This is a “what to do when you get told ‘a woman could never run a successful business’ in a VC meeting” programme.
I agree with Apple nickle-and-diming in general – they talk about the "app economy" and the low barrier to entry into the App Store when it's annoyingly not so.
“Due to your struggle”
That’s an odd choice of words. Sometimes folks just need access to education on a new topic… don’t know that it’s exclusively due to their “struggle” of being a person of gender X and race Y.
That’s an odd choice of words. Sometimes folks just need access to education on a new topic… don’t know that it’s exclusively due to their “struggle” of being a person of gender X and race Y.
There are lots of opportunities for people that just need access to education already, but people who are not white, nor male, have a harder time taking them. Hence, here’s a program for those people.
That’s not all this program seems to offer. I’d specifically be interested in a way to be able to connect directly with engineers at Apple, and to others who are building things similar to what I’d be building. This program offers that.
For what it’s worth, I’d be willing to pay for it. Perhaps even a substantial amount.
Maybe a better approach would be to charge like $5k for the program, but have a “scholarship” system in place for these communities. Give them their own space to discuss issues important to them that aren’t relevant to those outside that community even.
As it is, I feel like this is creating separate systems for underrepresented groups. Regardless of how those groups are defined, we already know that “separate but equal”… isn’t.
For what it’s worth, I’d be willing to pay for it. Perhaps even a substantial amount.
Maybe a better approach would be to charge like $5k for the program, but have a “scholarship” system in place for these communities. Give them their own space to discuss issues important to them that aren’t relevant to those outside that community even.
As it is, I feel like this is creating separate systems for underrepresented groups. Regardless of how those groups are defined, we already know that “separate but equal”… isn’t.
peanutcrisis(1)
> Is there a similar program that a white male would qualify for?
You can Google "startup communities" and find thousands. Often, a local startup community (like San Diego's istartupsd.org) will help you find your local programs and events. If your startup scene is nascent or non-existent, start with Meetup and/or start your own monthly event for like-minded people.
FWIW, underrepresented attendees can bring a colleague. I see no requirement that the colleague must also be underrepresented.
You can Google "startup communities" and find thousands. Often, a local startup community (like San Diego's istartupsd.org) will help you find your local programs and events. If your startup scene is nascent or non-existent, start with Meetup and/or start your own monthly event for like-minded people.
FWIW, underrepresented attendees can bring a colleague. I see no requirement that the colleague must also be underrepresented.
You’re asking a dangerous question. Most behind these initiatives act as if there are “white” people who are also not culturally underrepresented and do not inhabit lower socioeconomic levels. There are black folks who grew up in BelAir and white folks who grew up poor in Appalachia.
I say that as a “brown” minority, whose immigrant family were the minority even in their own country, who is apparently supposed to self-identify as Caucasian and would not qualify for this program because I’m not Black or Hispanic or Indigenous.
It’s racist.
I say that as a “brown” minority, whose immigrant family were the minority even in their own country, who is apparently supposed to self-identify as Caucasian and would not qualify for this program because I’m not Black or Hispanic or Indigenous.
It’s racist.
Racist only in the most technical sense of the word.
It's a matter of portions and percentages. Few people of color are rich, much less born rich, and far below their percentage of the population as a whole.
It's a matter of portions and percentages. Few people of color are rich, much less born rich, and far below their percentage of the population as a whole.
I am a person of color and am not eligible for this program. Please explain.
Also, that you lump poor whites who grew up in the inner city with those who grew up wealthy in Palo Alto is shocking. That Palo Alto native likely has far more in common with their black neighbor.
You are advocating for racist policies. No matter how you slice your identitarianism, you will never reach total inclusion, perpetually marginalizing and discriminating against minorities you may not even be aware of. Fight on, brother.
Also, that you lump poor whites who grew up in the inner city with those who grew up wealthy in Palo Alto is shocking. That Palo Alto native likely has far more in common with their black neighbor.
You are advocating for racist policies. No matter how you slice your identitarianism, you will never reach total inclusion, perpetually marginalizing and discriminating against minorities you may not even be aware of. Fight on, brother.
peanutcrisis(1)
Why do you consider this question dangerous?
OP risk being misconstrued as being racist. The fact that the original question was asked in the first place really shows how ass-backwards American society has gotten, with reverse racism being rebranded as a virtue, aka "anti-racism".
To be honest, reading the OP at face value, I don't even think he we wanted to beg that question. (But I don't want to mind-read – I have a personal bias against mind-reading; I usually interpret things on the literal side is all.)
dangus(2)
Calling it Entrepreneur Camp reflects better on what I assume is its goal: get more diverse entrepreneurs into Apple’s platforms. There’s many folks out there that would derive value from the confidence boost and community of like-people succeeding.
Seems like a good idea to me.