Why Signal 'turned our architecture inside out' for its latest privacy feature(techcrunch.com)
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Why Signal 'turned our architecture inside out' for its latest privacy feature
https://techcrunch.com/2024/03/04/why-signal-turned-our-architecture-inside-out-for-its-latest-privacy-feature/
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It's absolutely vile seeing these comments all flagged. Using moderation tools to silence people feels extremely poisonous and I hate it.
I share some of the hackles of requiring phone number verification.
Still, I can't help but be a bit disappointed that none of the comments are really speaking to the architecture & change this article is talking about.
I share some of the hackles of requiring phone number verification.
Still, I can't help but be a bit disappointed that none of the comments are really speaking to the architecture & change this article is talking about.
Hi. I've never used Signal, but have considered it.
Can you explain the downsides? An ELI5 would be ideal as I'm non-technical, but I understand if that's asking too much :)
Thanks!
Can you explain the downsides? An ELI5 would be ideal as I'm non-technical, but I understand if that's asking too much :)
Thanks!
Wow, never seen all the main comments flagged before. There was nothing to justify that. Generally I find HN to be very well behaved.
Shadow ban the comment for people abusing the "flag" button. Downvotes could only gray comments. I hope I am not suggesting morphing HN into old.reddit
Better still:
- get rid of the default greying-out, make it something you need to opt-in to, i.e. more or less the reverse of the current 'show dead'
- get rid of 'downvote to disagree' as a policy since it reinforces group think
- Add 'reason for downvote' and make it mandatory to choose one, then add meta-moderation to combat downvoting abuse
- remove 'flag', its function can be incorporated in 'reason for downvote'
All this can be put behind the existing downvote button, the interface does not need to change except for the removal of the default greying-out of downvoted comments.
- get rid of the default greying-out, make it something you need to opt-in to, i.e. more or less the reverse of the current 'show dead'
- get rid of 'downvote to disagree' as a policy since it reinforces group think
- Add 'reason for downvote' and make it mandatory to choose one, then add meta-moderation to combat downvoting abuse
- remove 'flag', its function can be incorporated in 'reason for downvote'
All this can be put behind the existing downvote button, the interface does not need to change except for the removal of the default greying-out of downvoted comments.
> get rid of 'downvote to disagree' as a policy
Is that a current policy?
Is that a current policy?
Yes:
> dang on Jan 12, 2018 | parent | context | favorite | on: Chinese Workers Abandon Silicon Valley for Riches ... [1]
> Things pg said about downvotes:
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=392347
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=658691
> It's how HN has always worked, and in my opinion needs to. A site that cares about discussion quality needs those white blood cells.
The first links reads:
> dang on Jan 12, 2018 | parent | context | favorite | on: Chinese Workers Abandon Silicon Valley for Riches ... [1]
> Things pg said about downvotes:
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=392347
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=658691
> It's how HN has always worked, and in my opinion needs to. A site that cares about discussion quality needs those white blood cells.
The first links reads:
pg on Feb 16, 2008 | parent | context | favorite | on: PG on trolls
I think it's ok to use the up and down arrows to express agreement.
Obviously the uparrows aren't only for applauding politeness, so it
seems reasonable that the downarrows aren't only for booing rudeness.
It only becomes abuse when people resort to karma bombing: downvoting
a lot of comments by one user without reading them in order to subtract
maximum karma. Fortunately we now have several levels of software to
protect against that.
pg on Dec 10, 2008 | parent | context | favorite | on: News.YC Growth
Downvoting has always been used to express disagreement.
pg on June 15, 2009 | parent | context | favorite | on: The default form of disagreement
IIRC we first had this conversation about a month after launch.
Downvotes have always been used to express disagreement. Or more
precisely, a negative score has: users seem not to downvote
something they disagree with if it already has a sufficiently
negative score.
Ah, thanks.
I was only looking at the newsfaq and newsguidelines pages.
I was only looking at the newsfaq and newsguidelines pages.
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Do I use Signal? No, I do not. I run my own XMPP server which has none of the downsides of Signal/Telegram/Matrix while sharing many of their upsides. Do I feel the urge to downvote anyone who uses something else? No, of course not, why would I?