Time to Reboot America(nytimes.com)
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Time to Reboot America
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/24/opinion/24friedman.html?_r=1&em
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Thomas Friedman was able to get steady wi-fi on a bullet train running through the wealthiest outpost of a country of 1.3 billion people, 3/4 of which are rural poor living at or near the $1/day poverty level. Therefore, America needs a reboot.
The key point is not how many poor people China has and hence we should reboot; but that the rest of the world is sprinting towards new opportunities in spite of their handicaps. 60 years ago (after WW2), there was no real competition to America - we built cars, planes, trains, and the world ate it all up. About 40 years ago, the Japanese started giving us a run for the money in some sectors. Today the competitors are increasing in quantity if not in quality - there is Japan, Europe, China, etc. Friedman uses generic examples such as bullet trains and broadband access. But these are valid nonetheless. The larger point remains - we need a massive reboot.
How lazy the writing, which cloaks itself in a thesis reinforced in conventional wisdom and flits about a series of misleading and superficial anecdotes. Is Friedman "right"? Either way, he serves his argument poorly by comparing the wealthiest splinter of southeast Asia to the whole expanse of America.
Or engage his column elsewhere: are we really losing our most promising engineers to "financial engineering"? Perhaps a less famous writer could support that argument with evidence. For instance, that writer might marry Friedman's argument with the fact that people like John Meriwether managed to nearly destroy capitalism with nothing more than an MBA.
Are there nuclear physicists on Wall Street? Of course. Are most nuclear phsyisicists on Wall Street? Prove it! Are the nuclear physicists on Wall Street the ones responsible for speculating on netted-out credit default swaps? The CDS racket was no more complicated than the MBS racket Michael Lewis wrote about in "Liar's Poker", and the BSD's on the Salomon trading desks were definitely not rocket surgeons.
Or engage his column elsewhere: are we really losing our most promising engineers to "financial engineering"? Perhaps a less famous writer could support that argument with evidence. For instance, that writer might marry Friedman's argument with the fact that people like John Meriwether managed to nearly destroy capitalism with nothing more than an MBA.
Are there nuclear physicists on Wall Street? Of course. Are most nuclear phsyisicists on Wall Street? Prove it! Are the nuclear physicists on Wall Street the ones responsible for speculating on netted-out credit default swaps? The CDS racket was no more complicated than the MBS racket Michael Lewis wrote about in "Liar's Poker", and the BSD's on the Salomon trading desks were definitely not rocket surgeons.
What does a "reboot" mean? It sounds scary to me. When they rebooted France, blood ran in the streets.
More than likely, though, he means we need a prettier President to waste larger checks. That is certainly in the pipeline.
More than likely, though, he means we need a prettier President to waste larger checks. That is certainly in the pipeline.
60 years ago (after WW2), there was no real competition to America because the competition mostly got blown up during WW2.
To go back to the postwar situation, we'll need another war. And it needs to be a real war with firebombs, tank columns and opposing armies, not a stupid "suicide bomb some orphans for the cameras" event like what we have now.
To go back to the postwar situation, we'll need another war. And it needs to be a real war with firebombs, tank columns and opposing armies, not a stupid "suicide bomb some orphans for the cameras" event like what we have now.
to be fair, he is comparing a financial capital, to another one. He didn't compare Hong Kong to West Virginia, Alabama... or other rural backwaters of this country.
Plus Hong Kong didn't always use to be a part of China, so it is a fair comparison.
While people in china might live in poverty and suffer of malnutrition, in here people are suffering form junk food. Fat and obese, compromise more 70% of the population in the states, and fresh healthy food is too expensive.
Plus Hong Kong didn't always use to be a part of China, so it is a fair comparison.
While people in china might live in poverty and suffer of malnutrition, in here people are suffering form junk food. Fat and obese, compromise more 70% of the population in the states, and fresh healthy food is too expensive.
Alot of revenue is siphoned out of the urban, prosperous areas in the United States and sent to the rural backwaters. Flyover country receives more money from the feds than it pays in federal taxes, and the dense and rich regions face the opposite calculus.
Hong Kong imposes an 18% flat tax on its citizens. New York City could never get away with that, since its citizens already pay about half their incomes to the feds. Instead New York runs on a 3% tax, and I don't think the services they get from the feds make up for lost value.
If New York city got 15% more of its citizens income, hell yeah it could build a magnetic anti-gravity bullet train run off of angel farts. But it has its share to pay of pork projects in Alaska and troop presence in 170 countries.
Hong Kong imposes an 18% flat tax on its citizens. New York City could never get away with that, since its citizens already pay about half their incomes to the feds. Instead New York runs on a 3% tax, and I don't think the services they get from the feds make up for lost value.
If New York city got 15% more of its citizens income, hell yeah it could build a magnetic anti-gravity bullet train run off of angel farts. But it has its share to pay of pork projects in Alaska and troop presence in 170 countries.
New York also wastes ridiculous amounts of money on local pork. Housing lotteries (the city buys 50% of a house for a few lucky people), bloated salaries for MTA workers, dance police (1), and most programs are extremely inefficient (housing projects in manhattan? why not move them to Jamaica, and save money?).
Perhaps NY could spend that extra 15% effectively. But it would probably just be wasted.
(1) If patrons dance or sway to music in a bar without a cabaret license, the police will ticket the bar owner. As of 3 weeks ago, the cops were actively patrolling for this.
Perhaps NY could spend that extra 15% effectively. But it would probably just be wasted.
(1) If patrons dance or sway to music in a bar without a cabaret license, the police will ticket the bar owner. As of 3 weeks ago, the cops were actively patrolling for this.
That's perhaps a little simplistic. New Yorker fund managers wouldn't be skimming their millions off mid-westerner's retirement accounts were it not for Washington.
It's fair to compare the showpiece financial crown jewel of Southeast Asia to the largest, most diverse metropolitan area in the US? Hong King has a population of 7MM. NY Metro has 19MM. And NY Metro has to serve all its citizens through democratic muni, state, and federal processes; neither Michael Bloomberg nor David Paterson can declare "wi-fi bullet trains for everybody!" and keep their office, at least not while there are schools to fund.
I don't disagree that America needa a new approach. I just think Friedman chose an easily sniped-at rhetorical device to make that point.
I don't disagree that America needa a new approach. I just think Friedman chose an easily sniped-at rhetorical device to make that point.
Then compare it with Beijing, Tokyo, and Shanghai. Hong Kong is not the only "crown jewel" city in Asia. And FYI, Beijing and HK are plenty diverse.
I find your point here to be disingenuous. Because NYC has more people it is not comparable to other large cities in Asia? Because NYC serves citizens through democratic multi-tiered governments that this does not exist in Asia as well? Look at major metropolises like Taipei, Tokyo, Seoul, and the awesome number of huge cities in India. All are served by democratically elected governments. If one were to take your post as gospel you'd think the entirety of Asia was one gigantic totalitarian wasteland!
I think Friedman is onto something - as a Chinese-Canadian I've seen both sides of the fence, and it absolutely terrifies me that we are facing the very real possibility of an oppressive dictatorship becoming the new world superpower, and all because we were too busy screwing selling ourselves out.
I find your point here to be disingenuous. Because NYC has more people it is not comparable to other large cities in Asia? Because NYC serves citizens through democratic multi-tiered governments that this does not exist in Asia as well? Look at major metropolises like Taipei, Tokyo, Seoul, and the awesome number of huge cities in India. All are served by democratically elected governments. If one were to take your post as gospel you'd think the entirety of Asia was one gigantic totalitarian wasteland!
I think Friedman is onto something - as a Chinese-Canadian I've seen both sides of the fence, and it absolutely terrifies me that we are facing the very real possibility of an oppressive dictatorship becoming the new world superpower, and all because we were too busy screwing selling ourselves out.
You say we're "screwing selling ourselves out", but the only evidence that's been marshalled for that argument here is the bullet train with wi-fi --- wi-fi that was invented, perfected, designed, and engineered here, for what it's worth. Would you like to present some actual evidence to support your position?
Some would say that if China is becoming a world superpower, it's because they're behaving less like an oppressive dictatorship. In world-historic timescales, China's transformation is ludicrously fast; it seems strange to demand even more radical political change as evidence of their bona fides.
Some would say that if China is becoming a world superpower, it's because they're behaving less like an oppressive dictatorship. In world-historic timescales, China's transformation is ludicrously fast; it seems strange to demand even more radical political change as evidence of their bona fides.
It is a fair comparison tptacek. For years the canonical sentiment about Hong Kong in Britain (where it is relatively easy to get permission to work on the island) has been that it is an economic backwater suitable only for those who cannot make it back home. There was even a derogatory acronym in common parlance to describe the people who went to work there: F.I.L.T.H. (Failed in London, Tried Hong Kong).
Asserting that Hong Kong is a city on par with New York or London is going against years of perception to the opposite, mostly driven by the higher wages for the financial class in Western financial centers. That said, unless someone speaks mandarin these days, they are not likely to find the sorts of opportunities that previously existed in Hong Kong. One of the great things about the island is that it's always been a working city, and it is reorienting to mainland markets quickly.
Asserting that Hong Kong is a city on par with New York or London is going against years of perception to the opposite, mostly driven by the higher wages for the financial class in Western financial centers. That said, unless someone speaks mandarin these days, they are not likely to find the sorts of opportunities that previously existed in Hong Kong. One of the great things about the island is that it's always been a working city, and it is reorienting to mainland markets quickly.
This is all really interesting stuff, trevelyan, but I don't see how it buttresses Friedman's argument that the Hong Kong bullet train is a metaphor for the decline of the west, or challenges my argument that the bullet train is a just an anecdote with very little explanatory power.
well said. from TFA:
> All I could think to myself was: If we’re so smart, why are other people living so much better than us?
he seems to have forgotten about hundreds of millions of Chinese living in poverty. how disgusting.
> All I could think to myself was: If we’re so smart, why are other people living so much better than us?
he seems to have forgotten about hundreds of millions of Chinese living in poverty. how disgusting.
As opposed to the tens of millions of Americans living in poverty? Yeah, the Chinese poor have it far worse than the poor in America - but at least their middle class is growing, not shrinking. Wealth is being generated for the everyman, and things are rapidly getting better for the average Joe.
Compared to the shrinking middle class in America as wealth flows upwards.
Don't get me wrong - I'm far from pro-Chinese, I'm just saying, let's not let the fact that there are starving people there prevent us from seeing our own faults.
Compared to the shrinking middle class in America as wealth flows upwards.
Don't get me wrong - I'm far from pro-Chinese, I'm just saying, let's not let the fact that there are starving people there prevent us from seeing our own faults.
The Chinese middle class have it worse than the poor in America.
Do they? They live in apartments, drive cars, take the bus, eat many of the same foods from the same chains that we do here. What's so different?
Yeah, ok, they can't march into the street in protest of their government, but are they really that much worse off in the material sense?
Before you break out the numbers - keep in mind that while they make far less than Americans, their cost of living is similarly lower. I find the Chinese urban middle class lifestyle to be comparable to the American middle class lifestyle, sans a few things like a huge backyard.
Yeah, ok, they can't march into the street in protest of their government, but are they really that much worse off in the material sense?
Before you break out the numbers - keep in mind that while they make far less than Americans, their cost of living is similarly lower. I find the Chinese urban middle class lifestyle to be comparable to the American middle class lifestyle, sans a few things like a huge backyard.
You have different definitions of middle class.
You skipped a step there. It seems you're mixing effects with causes. When you do that, of course it sounds ridiculous.
"China may have great airports, but last week it went back to censoring The New York Times and other Western news sites. Censorship restricts your people’s imaginations. That’s really, really dumb. And that’s why for all our missteps, the 21st century is still up for grabs."
Full openness to information is indeed a great advantage. A country where lots of people ponder what everyday people and governments in other countries are doing better has many sources of ideas for local improvement.
Full openness to information is indeed a great advantage. A country where lots of people ponder what everyday people and governments in other countries are doing better has many sources of ideas for local improvement.
"A country where lots of people ponder what everyday people and governments in other countries are doing better has many sources of ideas for local improvement"
In a country where most people have never even set foot in a modern european or asian city, the trouble is that most people don't have any idea how far behind US infrastructure has gotten.
In a country where most people have never even set foot in a modern european or asian city, the trouble is that most people don't have any idea how far behind US infrastructure has gotten.
Remembering how rare, and how emblematic of family wealth, foreign travel was when I was growing up, I'm amazed these days at how many Americans I know who have been to both Asia and Europe. The people I know would claim to be only "middle class," not at all rich, but they are well traveled.
The United States has been issuing passports by the millions for quite some time.
http://travel.state.gov/passport/services/stats/stats_890.ht...
Note that unlike some other countries, there is essentially no domestic use for a United States passport. United States citizens get passports if they are traveling overseas, and until recently travel to Canada and Mexico without passports was quite routine. So there are evidently plenty of Americans who have had a chance to go look around and learn from other countries. I would be quite happy to hear of more: in many respects, I think four years spent doing almost ANYTHING overseas and living in the local economy of a country with another language is more educational than four years spent pursuing a college degree, but meanwhile plenty of Americans, for business or for pleasure, do plenty of foreign travel.
The United States has been issuing passports by the millions for quite some time.
http://travel.state.gov/passport/services/stats/stats_890.ht...
Note that unlike some other countries, there is essentially no domestic use for a United States passport. United States citizens get passports if they are traveling overseas, and until recently travel to Canada and Mexico without passports was quite routine. So there are evidently plenty of Americans who have had a chance to go look around and learn from other countries. I would be quite happy to hear of more: in many respects, I think four years spent doing almost ANYTHING overseas and living in the local economy of a country with another language is more educational than four years spent pursuing a college degree, but meanwhile plenty of Americans, for business or for pleasure, do plenty of foreign travel.
Most Europeans have never set foot in a modern American or Asian city. Most Asians have never set foot in a modern American or European city.
Your point still holds, but too many people use that factoid as some sort of slight against Americans when it's really not.
Your point still holds, but too many people use that factoid as some sort of slight against Americans when it's really not.
I think Americans put too much emphasis on the link between freedom of speech and information and creativity/innovation. Sometimes the most explosive innovations are made during the transition from censorship to an open public sphere - such as the parliamentary innovations of the English civil wars. Americans, and people in the West in general, need to be defamiliarised with the concept of freedom of speech and information, so that when they recognise how valuable it is, they will make better use of it.
Great point about the explosiveness of transition periods -- the Renaissance comes to mind as well, powered both by new intellectual openness and the thuggish Medicis. But calling for "defamiliarization" with free speech sounds kind of horrible -- like putting us in jail for a while so we appreciate our freedom of movement.
But isn't the process of technological upheaval a continual defamiliarization of sorts, with people constantly changing modes and methods of communication with every new development? We don't need to be subjected to tyranny to be continually thrown off balance and required to innovate...
But isn't the process of technological upheaval a continual defamiliarization of sorts, with people constantly changing modes and methods of communication with every new development? We don't need to be subjected to tyranny to be continually thrown off balance and required to innovate...
Sorry, I was using 'defamiliarisation' in the context of the Russian critical readings of literature - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamiliarization - I can see how it takes on sinister overtones outside of this, and I have no idea how it can be done in practice, other than looking at examples of tyranny elsewhere, contemporaneously or historically, of which there are many.
There are certainly parallels between today's technological upheaval and say the English civil wars, when the printing press was being celebrated by people like Milton in similar terms - "as good as almost kill a man as kill a good book". I guess the point I'm getting at it is often the struggle that leads to the creativity - and thus why the Renaissance as you say is so interesting.
Oh, like Brecht -- Verfremdung! I should have gotten that -- sorry. I love the Milton quote (and I wonder what it means in the age of technical hyper-reproducibility online...).
I also wonder what could accomplish defamiliarization nowadays, when satire and Dadaism have become commodities and every crap sitcom breaks the fourth wall. But perhaps utter economic collapse will do the trick?
I also wonder what could accomplish defamiliarization nowadays, when satire and Dadaism have become commodities and every crap sitcom breaks the fourth wall. But perhaps utter economic collapse will do the trick?
an innovation designed to get around an artificial restriction is an artificial innovation that disappears once the restriction disappears.
a real innovation is something that universally increases standards of living.
a real innovation is something that universally increases standards of living.
Yay, another reason to roll out the Tom Friedman smackdown to end all Tom Friedman smackdowns (as well as possibly the best book review of the last 10 years):
http://www.nypress.com/article-11419-flathead.html
http://www.nypress.com/article-11419-flathead.html
Buy gold and/or silver.
The US Dollar is in the early stages of collapse; it will be severely devalued, perhaps down to being worth 50 or 60 Yen or more.
This is not being political, it is not Bush's or Obama's fault, but the result of an entire generation or more of mistakes, which started back in 1913 with the creation of the Federal Reserve and accelerated in 1933 under FDR and then again in 1971 when Nixon closed the gold window.
The US Dollar is in the early stages of collapse; it will be severely devalued, perhaps down to being worth 50 or 60 Yen or more.
This is not being political, it is not Bush's or Obama's fault, but the result of an entire generation or more of mistakes, which started back in 1913 with the creation of the Federal Reserve and accelerated in 1933 under FDR and then again in 1971 when Nixon closed the gold window.
Don't buy gold and silver. I don't know where this "buy gold" superstitious BS came from. I think it's out of some mistaken idea that gold has intrinsic value where paper money does not. This is false.
The value of gold is not intrinsic - it is assigned by people, just like fiat currency (which is also why gold-backed currency, or the lack thereof, is not our problem). In fact, gold's value also fluctuates with the economy, just like everything else - when the economy tanks, gold prices rise, etc etc. It's almost expected for people to run screaming back to gold every time the economy hiccups, and this has made it an unsafe commodity to hold.
Not to mention when you buy gold - you are not buying any actual, physical gold, you are buying gold production, which will never ever reach your hands. If you really want to hoard precious metals, at least go out and physically have it. Your gold is just as imaginary as fiat money until you have it in your hands.
The value of gold is not intrinsic - it is assigned by people, just like fiat currency (which is also why gold-backed currency, or the lack thereof, is not our problem). In fact, gold's value also fluctuates with the economy, just like everything else - when the economy tanks, gold prices rise, etc etc. It's almost expected for people to run screaming back to gold every time the economy hiccups, and this has made it an unsafe commodity to hold.
Not to mention when you buy gold - you are not buying any actual, physical gold, you are buying gold production, which will never ever reach your hands. If you really want to hoard precious metals, at least go out and physically have it. Your gold is just as imaginary as fiat money until you have it in your hands.
Gold can be argued to have intrinsic value, when it has shown to retain some amount of value across over 5000 years of human history; and it would be almost impossible to have a working electronics industry without some amount of gold, or some other metal with nearly-equivalent properties (right now the industry is working on ways to minimize gold but it is still needed). It is not superstition.
I don't know where you got the idea that I was recommending a non-physical holding of gold or silver, but it is a good point to address: all COMEX contracts state that in the event of default (non-delivery) they can just give you USD, which of course is exactly what you don't want.
I don't know where you got the idea that I was recommending a non-physical holding of gold or silver, but it is a good point to address: all COMEX contracts state that in the event of default (non-delivery) they can just give you USD, which of course is exactly what you don't want.
> Buy gold and/or silver
And if you want to keep it, store it in Switzerland.
And if you want to keep it, store it in Switzerland.
to be fair Nixon's hand was kinda forced. the vietnam war combined with the OPEC problems practically bankrupted us.
I think Friedman makes a fair point. I've lived in three very different countries for some lengths of time, and traveled to many others over the years, so the following is a little more than anecdotal. When I first came to the US several years ago, my first reaction was that in many ways (and remember this was over a decade ago) the US was a little backwards, culturally, socially and most definitely when it came to infrastructure and facilities. Is it still the technological leader of the world? Yes, but that's less due to its own efforts and more due to sheer inertia from the heyday of US technology and an inability of the rest of the world to take advantage of the sense of ennui that seems to be pervasive.
There are many countries, out there, young democracies (or not), that are hungry, eager. When they figure it out, watch out. You can't assume that the US will stay ahead forever.
America does need a reboot. Our future depends on it.
There are many countries, out there, young democracies (or not), that are hungry, eager. When they figure it out, watch out. You can't assume that the US will stay ahead forever.
America does need a reboot. Our future depends on it.
You know what, Friedman? It's a lot harder to manage a continent-spanning country of 300 million people than a tiny, rich city-state. That's where the wisdom of decentralization comes in, but we completely abandoned that in the 1930s. Can you imagine the bureaucracy to manage a country of 300 million people as well as Hong Kong? Neither can I. It probably doesn't exist.
The One's election to office and his promise to shovel out $1 trillion in green pork doesn't change a whole lot. Friedman says:
>"Because of the financial crisis, Barack Obama has the bipartisan support to spend $1 trillion in stimulus. But we must make certain that every bailout dollar, which we’re borrowing from our kids’ future, is spent wisely."
There is not a single example from American history to give me hope of this.
The One's election to office and his promise to shovel out $1 trillion in green pork doesn't change a whole lot. Friedman says:
>"Because of the financial crisis, Barack Obama has the bipartisan support to spend $1 trillion in stimulus. But we must make certain that every bailout dollar, which we’re borrowing from our kids’ future, is spent wisely."
There is not a single example from American history to give me hope of this.
As hard to manage as a country of 1.3 billion people? Or an industry leading nation of 130 million people? Hong Kong is not the only example of a hyper-advanced Asian city. Shanghai, Taipei, Tokyo, Beijing... you name it, and we're not even approaching India and further west.
The success of China, Japan, South Korea, and the myriad of other east Asian powers is not an isolated case of blind luck. Incredible dedication has been shown here to grow a nation's infrastructure, and the US would be wise to take heed and follow suit if they want to maintain their lead.
Take a look at the bureaucracy needed to manage a country of 1.3 billion people, including a wealth gap far wider than that of the US, and yet continually building out massive infrastructure projects both urban and rural. This is something America is not doing, and I'd hate to see a repressive dictatorship out-do the West in anything.
The success of China, Japan, South Korea, and the myriad of other east Asian powers is not an isolated case of blind luck. Incredible dedication has been shown here to grow a nation's infrastructure, and the US would be wise to take heed and follow suit if they want to maintain their lead.
Take a look at the bureaucracy needed to manage a country of 1.3 billion people, including a wealth gap far wider than that of the US, and yet continually building out massive infrastructure projects both urban and rural. This is something America is not doing, and I'd hate to see a repressive dictatorship out-do the West in anything.
Have you heard about the economist Mancur Olson and his theory of institutional sclerosis? His thesis is that bureaucracy tends to build on itself, becoming less rational and more wasteful as a society ages. Occasionally, there is a catastrophic event that overturns the established order, wiping out the cruft and allowing society to start fresh. However, over time the waste grows again.
He uses this theory to explain why the American South did so well after reconstruction and after the Civil Rights movement. He would likely also argue that this explains why Japan and China have done so well, since both underwent massive disruptions in the last century. Our own society, however, has been very stable for many centuries and has had plenty of time to accumulate bureaucratic lard.
He uses this theory to explain why the American South did so well after reconstruction and after the Civil Rights movement. He would likely also argue that this explains why Japan and China have done so well, since both underwent massive disruptions in the last century. Our own society, however, has been very stable for many centuries and has had plenty of time to accumulate bureaucratic lard.
Have you ever been to Beijing? I lived there for 6 months just 2 years ago and 'ultra modern' is not the phrase I would use to describe it. Internet access to any site not hosted on the mainland is unbearably slow (bad news for travelers), the subway has only one line and the cars are always crammed full, and many of the cars on the street are tin boxes with recycled bike pedals and tractor engines inside them. Granted, I was there before the Olympics, while they were still doing a lot of construction in the hope of impressing everyone. If you were there then, and got an ultra-modern impression, did you ever look off the tourist beaten path and see ultra modernity there? I'd be surprised.
Sorry to repeat what everybody else is saying, but Thomas Friedman is a total loser. Why he is famous is beyond me.
3/5 cheap rhetoric, 1/5 bragging about some "exotic" place he has been, 1/5 self evident observation equals one Thomas Friedman column.
Dear NYT. Fire this man already!
Oh, wait. NYT is the newspaper who thinks it is a good idea to employ Ben Stein too. They will not see the incompetence of Friedman if they are blind to the insanity of Ben Stein (search google for Ben Stein Watch)....
3/5 cheap rhetoric, 1/5 bragging about some "exotic" place he has been, 1/5 self evident observation equals one Thomas Friedman column.
Dear NYT. Fire this man already!
Oh, wait. NYT is the newspaper who thinks it is a good idea to employ Ben Stein too. They will not see the incompetence of Friedman if they are blind to the insanity of Ben Stein (search google for Ben Stein Watch)....
I'm not sure his observations are so self-evident, which may be why he's emphasizing the fact that he has been to these "exotic" places. I don't like the folksey tone either, but it sells papers and gets attention.
Believe it or not, there are many Americans who still believe that they are the top of the world, that in Asia people are still wallowing in shantytowns and mud-brick houses. When my mother first came to Canada, someone actually asked her if we had running water and electricity.
The "USA No. 1" mentality that many people still seem to have is the main reason why the US cannot proceed to fixing itself - most people have never traveled outside of the USA, least of all to Asia, and the media doesn't cover this nearly enough - Asia is advancing rapidly, its wealth and quality of life is rapidly approaching that of the US, and unless you act now your supremacy in the world will be lost forever.
Until more people realize how advanced Asia has become, I think Thomas Friedman's message is entirely appropriate and welcome.
Believe it or not, there are many Americans who still believe that they are the top of the world, that in Asia people are still wallowing in shantytowns and mud-brick houses. When my mother first came to Canada, someone actually asked her if we had running water and electricity.
The "USA No. 1" mentality that many people still seem to have is the main reason why the US cannot proceed to fixing itself - most people have never traveled outside of the USA, least of all to Asia, and the media doesn't cover this nearly enough - Asia is advancing rapidly, its wealth and quality of life is rapidly approaching that of the US, and unless you act now your supremacy in the world will be lost forever.
Until more people realize how advanced Asia has become, I think Thomas Friedman's message is entirely appropriate and welcome.
I think you hit the nail on the head there. You need to be the underdog to keep you motivated and innovative.
"1/5 bragging about some "exotic" place he has been"
I'm curious, what G7 nation's major city have you been to that had trains as terrible as New York?
I'm curious, what G7 nation's major city have you been to that had trains as terrible as New York?
It is well known outside of America that the American trains are bad. I suppose Americans just go by car or airplane, so it doesn't matter much.
I really disliked the article, too. So Hongkong airport is impressive. Hm, maybe some dictatorship has shelled out serious money to make an impression? Somehow it reminds me of the dot com boom - the companies who spent the most were to first to go bankrupt...
I really disliked the article, too. So Hongkong airport is impressive. Hm, maybe some dictatorship has shelled out serious money to make an impression? Somehow it reminds me of the dot com boom - the companies who spent the most were to first to go bankrupt...
Be careful, it wasn't the current Chinese regime that executed the rash of infrastructure improvement projects in Hong Kong in the 90's. In fact, the vast majority of the projects were initiated and executed by large British engineering and architectural firms to milk as much money out of building projects prior to the turn over to Chinese rule in 1999.
I didn't even want to make any claims about China. Maybe the super airport makes business sense. Just saying that a pretty appearance doesn't prove that a great economy is behind it.
No Risk No Return.
I think post 9/11 average American has stopped taking risks.
Instead he invested (time & money) in buying houses.
I think post 9/11 average American has stopped taking risks.
Instead he invested (time & money) in buying houses.
The author needs needs to get some exercise... like a lot of Americans.
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He's right that we need to reboot -- but the irony is that it's his generation (and his mentality itself) that is forcing this. The I-got-mine, greed-is-always-good, me-first, I'm-entitled generation of baby boomers (circa 1940-1958) is directly responsible for this mess. And, as usual, it's up to us Xers to clean up.
Friedman is emblematic of his generation. He likes to make blanket statements like "the world is flat!", leaving out precious details (like the fact that cultural differences mean that a guy in Mumbai cannot so easily start the next Amazon), and expects parental-like approval from all of us. Look what I did! Look at me!
Same attitude -- self-satisfied under-achievement -- created this gigantic CF we're calling an economy. Reboot? Yes. That probably means forcing all these codgers into retirement homes where they can bitch and moan about how we Xers aren't doing well enough recovering from their disaster.
Friedman is emblematic of his generation. He likes to make blanket statements like "the world is flat!", leaving out precious details (like the fact that cultural differences mean that a guy in Mumbai cannot so easily start the next Amazon), and expects parental-like approval from all of us. Look what I did! Look at me!
Same attitude -- self-satisfied under-achievement -- created this gigantic CF we're calling an economy. Reboot? Yes. That probably means forcing all these codgers into retirement homes where they can bitch and moan about how we Xers aren't doing well enough recovering from their disaster.
Blame is wasted effort.
Agism (either way) can be legally hazardous.
Bailing out a failed business model is wasted investment.
Given your perception of the older folks, I'd suggest pursuing a business model based on catering to and profiting from those entitled boomers you appear to despise. But trust me on this one: some of those older folks are looking to profit from the perceptions of and the views of the younger folks, too.
Whether US-based or international, looking forward at what might change - what an upgrade from Acela to service competitive with TGV might mean, for instance - would be my preference. I'm looking at where I can improve, and how I can best deal with and can profit from the changes that are inevitably coming. At what and where the target is going to be. At what products and services I can milk or can sell off or can retire, too.
Changes are underway in the world economy. And I'd prefer to profit from both the "Xers" and from the "codgers" if I can manage it, as you'd termed these two large pools of potential consumers.
Blame? There's enough of that to go around.
Profit? Positioning for that in the current chaos is far more interesting.
Agism (either way) can be legally hazardous.
Bailing out a failed business model is wasted investment.
Given your perception of the older folks, I'd suggest pursuing a business model based on catering to and profiting from those entitled boomers you appear to despise. But trust me on this one: some of those older folks are looking to profit from the perceptions of and the views of the younger folks, too.
Whether US-based or international, looking forward at what might change - what an upgrade from Acela to service competitive with TGV might mean, for instance - would be my preference. I'm looking at where I can improve, and how I can best deal with and can profit from the changes that are inevitably coming. At what and where the target is going to be. At what products and services I can milk or can sell off or can retire, too.
Changes are underway in the world economy. And I'd prefer to profit from both the "Xers" and from the "codgers" if I can manage it, as you'd termed these two large pools of potential consumers.
Blame? There's enough of that to go around.
Profit? Positioning for that in the current chaos is far more interesting.
Blame is not a wasted effort, if it leads you to think about what policies are to blame for where we are now and think about what needs to change. I'd say that profit is much less interesting, people find ways of enriching themselves without caring about improving society or doing anything useful. I'd wager that that mindset is at least partially to blame for the current state of affairs.
I think that Hoff is suggesting that creating value is better than blaming. As an entrepreneur I seek to create value, this enables me to make a profit. Adjusting my business to changed circumstances is a requirement for survival.
Correct.
If you're looking to assign blame, then do evaluate your own particular motivations. You have probably already made or you are now about to make a mistake; you've taken your eye off your particular goals of creating value for your customers.
Certainly don't repeat (unprofitable) mistakes. Do learn from your own mistakes, and do particularly learn from the mistakes of others.
Competing against an organization that seeks to place blame on others? Now that's a potential business opportunity. That individual or that organization is not competing effectively. They're dissipating their competitive efforts. They're potentially vulnerable. Do you have a wedge here? An opening? Use it.
Do continue to move toward where the target business will be, regardless. Whatever goal or profit here you might view as your motivation. Blame doesn't move you toward that goal.
If you're looking to assign blame, then do evaluate your own particular motivations. You have probably already made or you are now about to make a mistake; you've taken your eye off your particular goals of creating value for your customers.
Certainly don't repeat (unprofitable) mistakes. Do learn from your own mistakes, and do particularly learn from the mistakes of others.
Competing against an organization that seeks to place blame on others? Now that's a potential business opportunity. That individual or that organization is not competing effectively. They're dissipating their competitive efforts. They're potentially vulnerable. Do you have a wedge here? An opening? Use it.
Do continue to move toward where the target business will be, regardless. Whatever goal or profit here you might view as your motivation. Blame doesn't move you toward that goal.
I agree with Hoff that creating value is better than blaming. OTOH an occasional rant might make us all feel a little better while we're creating all that value. :-)
Indeed! I am on the leading edge of the boomers and I can tell you we are just as concerned and just as angry. When I was growing up the WWII generation was lamenting how badly they had screwed it up (Vietnam, etc.) and were hoping we could do it better. Well we didn't and the generation after us, the current screw ups, didn't either. If anyone, I would blame Isaac Newton. His legacy is the mechanical universe and the philosophy the everything is perfectible. Hence the endless series of ideological laws and regulations and deregulations that will fix the problem du jour. What we need to understand is that people are greedy, short sighted, and selfish. They are also altruistic and caring. We need to diminish the unfavorable traits and emphasize the favorable. That's what antitrust and regulation do, keep the destructive side from becoming dominant. But we also need to avoid stifling society by tamping down the ability to innovate.
The fixing of all this is cross generational. If we don't fix it, every one will loose, including those who have it. Have you seen the projections for social security? The angst isn't fatal. We survived the depression of the depression, we survived the post-Vietnam crisis of confidence, and we survived the crisis that Japan was going to suck up all our mojo. (OK the auto industry didn't.)
The fixing of all this is cross generational. If we don't fix it, every one will loose, including those who have it. Have you seen the projections for social security? The angst isn't fatal. We survived the depression of the depression, we survived the post-Vietnam crisis of confidence, and we survived the crisis that Japan was going to suck up all our mojo. (OK the auto industry didn't.)
"...That's what antitrust and regulation do, keep the destructive side from becoming dominant..."
People game systems. It's odd that you mention Newton -- the idea that some combination of regulations/deregulations will engineer a better economy is why our tax code is currently incomprehensible. Perhaps it might work if we try it again for the 50 thousandth time?
It might be better to look at the economy like a chaotic system, with billions of independent agents all working randomly yet somehow creating a greater whole. The trick is a minimalist yet-changing set of constraints to allow the chaos to continue and be productive. Once you start trying to put it in a box, or choose special parameters, or try to understand or constrain the entire thing in some fashion that you can understand, you're kidding yourself.
My opinion only. I can tell you that history is littered with really smart people, governments, and political parties who thought they could understand/control economics. Sometimes people mistake what I'm saying for laissez-faire or free-market philosophies. It's not. It's simply acknowledging that the over-engineering of things we don't understand usually ends up in stagnation and corruption, not growth and opportunity.
We're in quite a mess now in the U.S. because politicians get elected promising more things than they can deliver. If you ask me, we started heading down this track once the federal government usurped the states back in the 1860s. There's no more sharing of power -- people slowly are figuring out that they can directly vote themselves whatever the government can borrow. No kind of market or tax policy is going to be able to get us out of this larger problem. That's the meta-issue.
People game systems. It's odd that you mention Newton -- the idea that some combination of regulations/deregulations will engineer a better economy is why our tax code is currently incomprehensible. Perhaps it might work if we try it again for the 50 thousandth time?
It might be better to look at the economy like a chaotic system, with billions of independent agents all working randomly yet somehow creating a greater whole. The trick is a minimalist yet-changing set of constraints to allow the chaos to continue and be productive. Once you start trying to put it in a box, or choose special parameters, or try to understand or constrain the entire thing in some fashion that you can understand, you're kidding yourself.
My opinion only. I can tell you that history is littered with really smart people, governments, and political parties who thought they could understand/control economics. Sometimes people mistake what I'm saying for laissez-faire or free-market philosophies. It's not. It's simply acknowledging that the over-engineering of things we don't understand usually ends up in stagnation and corruption, not growth and opportunity.
We're in quite a mess now in the U.S. because politicians get elected promising more things than they can deliver. If you ask me, we started heading down this track once the federal government usurped the states back in the 1860s. There's no more sharing of power -- people slowly are figuring out that they can directly vote themselves whatever the government can borrow. No kind of market or tax policy is going to be able to get us out of this larger problem. That's the meta-issue.
Ok, I think you are really on to something with the "it's impossible to calculate things" (the economic calculation problem postulated by some Austrian economists in the 30ies and 40ies), but where I split from the libertarians is that I don't think that means we should throw up our hands in the air and do nothing at all "gosh, it's too complicated!", but do the most direct, least invasive things to solve those problems that do need to be solved collectively. For instance, I think schools ought to be available to everyone, so that no matter who you are born, you have the means to become who you want. And that doesn't mean "just let the free market do it". I think introducing some market mechanisms might make sense - lessening the power of the teachers' unions and giving more money to good teachers - but I very strongly believe that even though most of our economy ought to be decided by a free market, not all of it should. I think that lack of simplicity grates on a lot of nerd/geek types who want a clean, simple, beautiful rule that will make everything work. However, people are messy, complex, contradictory creatures that don't function in a world of black and white.
If I'm not mistaken, this is similar to the Warren Buffet view of the economy: yeah, get the government out of the market where it makes sense, let the market do its work, but then whoever wins needs to share some of that with the poorest in our society.
If I'm not mistaken, this is similar to the Warren Buffet view of the economy: yeah, get the government out of the market where it makes sense, let the market do its work, but then whoever wins needs to share some of that with the poorest in our society.
I agree mostly with everything you said, but I would put things differently.
I think this all revolves around what the person means by "free market" Some people think this is a "free-for-all" while in fact a free market is usually regulated to some fashion to make it free (by guaranteeing private property rights and tort law for contract enforcement, if nothing else) So free market definitely does not mean lack of government support/definition/intervention.
Taking, for instance, the health insurance industry in the U.S.. I'm in favor of the government defining simple levels of insurance coverage, say from A to F. A would be total coverage for anything that went wrong (including preventive care). F might be catastrophic care only, with the guarantee that life-saving measures do not bankrupt the family (even is some measures might be denied).
In this case, the government can and should intervene to create the open market. Currently policies are so obfuscated by legalese that consumers effectively have no choice. In details-rich markets, like lending, insurance, airline fares, etc, the government can make the market freer by simply providing _simple_ standard categories of service.
As far as direct intervention in social systems, such as education, I think most right-leaning libertarians such as myself would support those interventions that directly related to things the government absolutely had to do. Education falls into that category because the need of a national army requires a standard of education. Health care in general is a very tricky area. We're developing life-saving cures for our elderly that cost more than the person made during their working years. I find it very hard to believe people in a democracy are going to vote for their own early deaths, so as a practical matter some kind of political appeasement needs to be made with the public at large, free market or not. I'm still thinking this one through.
The danger is taking a complex system and oversimplifying whether on the "leave it alone and everything will be fine" side or the "hey, we can engineer this thing to do whatever we want" side. It's way too complex to work like political slogans want us to believe. I think we're in agreement on this point.
I think this all revolves around what the person means by "free market" Some people think this is a "free-for-all" while in fact a free market is usually regulated to some fashion to make it free (by guaranteeing private property rights and tort law for contract enforcement, if nothing else) So free market definitely does not mean lack of government support/definition/intervention.
Taking, for instance, the health insurance industry in the U.S.. I'm in favor of the government defining simple levels of insurance coverage, say from A to F. A would be total coverage for anything that went wrong (including preventive care). F might be catastrophic care only, with the guarantee that life-saving measures do not bankrupt the family (even is some measures might be denied).
In this case, the government can and should intervene to create the open market. Currently policies are so obfuscated by legalese that consumers effectively have no choice. In details-rich markets, like lending, insurance, airline fares, etc, the government can make the market freer by simply providing _simple_ standard categories of service.
As far as direct intervention in social systems, such as education, I think most right-leaning libertarians such as myself would support those interventions that directly related to things the government absolutely had to do. Education falls into that category because the need of a national army requires a standard of education. Health care in general is a very tricky area. We're developing life-saving cures for our elderly that cost more than the person made during their working years. I find it very hard to believe people in a democracy are going to vote for their own early deaths, so as a practical matter some kind of political appeasement needs to be made with the public at large, free market or not. I'm still thinking this one through.
The danger is taking a complex system and oversimplifying whether on the "leave it alone and everything will be fine" side or the "hey, we can engineer this thing to do whatever we want" side. It's way too complex to work like political slogans want us to believe. I think we're in agreement on this point.
"He's right that we need to reboot -- but the irony is that it's his generation (and his mentality itself) that is forcing this."
I grew up just a few miles away from where Friedman grew up, just a few years later. Friedman and a lot of his neighbors in his generation were early in urging their fellow Americans to have environmental concern and to be aware that America is just part of the world. I have good evidence for this, because my fifth-grade class made a time capsule in 1969 to be opened in the year 2001, with predictions of that year.
Perhaps Friedman's elementary classmates and my elementary classmates were part of a minority in America, but maybe people who share those concerns are still part of a minority in America. Anyway, these days it's easier for more Americans to see what is going on in the rest of the world, and there is plenty to learn from.
P.S. People in Friedman's generation and mine will be retiring at substantially older ages than our parents did--that's already a settled change in the Social Security law.
I grew up just a few miles away from where Friedman grew up, just a few years later. Friedman and a lot of his neighbors in his generation were early in urging their fellow Americans to have environmental concern and to be aware that America is just part of the world. I have good evidence for this, because my fifth-grade class made a time capsule in 1969 to be opened in the year 2001, with predictions of that year.
Perhaps Friedman's elementary classmates and my elementary classmates were part of a minority in America, but maybe people who share those concerns are still part of a minority in America. Anyway, these days it's easier for more Americans to see what is going on in the rest of the world, and there is plenty to learn from.
P.S. People in Friedman's generation and mine will be retiring at substantially older ages than our parents did--that's already a settled change in the Social Security law.
stop blaming greed. greed is universal. you think the baby boomers invented greed?
the problem was INCENTIVES. The federal reserve pumped up the money supply starting in 1995, then when the bubble popped in 2000 they pumped up the housing market in order to disguise the true severity of the crash. In an environment of practically free money you'd be an idiot NOT to grab your piece.
> cultural differences mean that a guy in Mumbai cannot so easily start the next Amazon
Why do you think so?
Why do you think so?
How is this guy famous? Everything he has ever written sounds like something anybody's uncle might toss out at the dinner table. The guy is not original and has nothing insightful to say. Frequently, he sounds like an idiot. I'm just completely mystified at his acclaim.
There are a lot of "somebody's uncle"s out there, and they all buy Friedman's books to give to their nephews.