US Gov Org Chart(doge.gov)
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US Gov Org Chart
https://doge.gov/workforce?orgId=69ee18bc-9ac8-467e-84b0-106601b01b90
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I'm curious how much the new Chief of Staff makes. Alas, Doge is not being transparent: https://doge.gov/workforce?orgId=b972b459-e161-490e-ac0a-27d...
Basically all federal pay data is made public, so in this case its less of doge not being transparent and more of they haven't gotten to it yet (my guess). The Chief of Staff makes ~180-200k, if I remember, but I haven't looked it up for current admin. Also in this case it might not be public _yet_ because it might still be before the disclosure deadline (since the admin is still new).
> Basically all federal pay data is made public, so in this case its less of doge not being transparent and more of they haven't gotten to it yet (my guess).
So they are looking to republish information that is already public? That seems like a waste of resources, no?
So they are looking to republish information that is already public? That seems like a waste of resources, no?
> So they are looking to republish information that is already public? That seems like a waste of resources, no?
But its public without the political spin DOGE is attaching to it, which is DOGE's actual "value add".
But its public without the political spin DOGE is attaching to it, which is DOGE's actual "value add".
The USA federal government spent $6.75T in FY2024. This website painstakingly tracks 3% of that.
It would be more honest of Doge to say what of the 97% is to be cut, and where that will fall.
It would be more honest of Doge to say what of the 97% is to be cut, and where that will fall.
Top 4 spending functions :
Social security, Medicare, Medicaid, defense
The mandatory spending is about half...
https://www.pgpf.org/article/top-10-largest-budget-functions...
The mandatory spending is about half...
https://www.pgpf.org/article/top-10-largest-budget-functions...
The “tech geniuses” left their database unsecured. Can’t wait to see how they handle all the data they’ve had access to.
Somebody build a dashboard that simply replicates data already available on the OPM site[1]...
Much efficiency! Many Savings! Wow.
What a dumpster fire.
1 - Hopefully this link works. It's to an OPM report built in Cognos and publicly available... https://www.fedscope.opm.gov/ibmcognos/bi/v1/disp?b_action=p...
Much efficiency! Many Savings! Wow.
What a dumpster fire.
1 - Hopefully this link works. It's to an OPM report built in Cognos and publicly available... https://www.fedscope.opm.gov/ibmcognos/bi/v1/disp?b_action=p...
Not disagreeing with you. But the OPM site data seems to be only for headcount, and it probably can be found by those who know how to deep dive on government sites?
Having said that, I am very much worried about the direction the US is heading. I came to the US for college and eventually end up being a permanent resident. My home country, Myanmar (Burma), has been ruled by military dictatorship for decades, and I see a lot of parallels in terms of disregard for rule of law; cult of personality; silencing free speech and journalists/reporting agencies that disagree with your point of view; etc. Add musk's chaotic way of meddling with the (albeit inefficient) government machine, not looking good at all.
Having said that, I am very much worried about the direction the US is heading. I came to the US for college and eventually end up being a permanent resident. My home country, Myanmar (Burma), has been ruled by military dictatorship for decades, and I see a lot of parallels in terms of disregard for rule of law; cult of personality; silencing free speech and journalists/reporting agencies that disagree with your point of view; etc. Add musk's chaotic way of meddling with the (albeit inefficient) government machine, not looking good at all.
I googled "How many people work for the federal government?" and landed here: https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-people-work-for-the-f..., which pulls the data from the same OPM data sources.
I will admit, this administration is great at flooding the zone and making big splashes over trivial tasks. It's kind of like removing the muffler from your Civic, it'll sound like a sports car but it's still a Civic.
I will admit, this administration is great at flooding the zone and making big splashes over trivial tasks. It's kind of like removing the muffler from your Civic, it'll sound like a sports car but it's still a Civic.
The broader point here is -- isn't it easy to build things when you already have nice data sets that have been compiled?
... compiled by, you know, the 40% of government employees DOGE has asked agencies to report as non-essential?
... compiled by, you know, the 40% of government employees DOGE has asked agencies to report as non-essential?
Correct me if I'm wrong, the "OPM report" is just the headcount? The linked "Org Chart" seems to at least add wages, age groups, and years of tenure, so not exactly the same as far as I can tell?
You can add those facets on the left
Right, you could manually build the same experience, granted you know how to use the tool? Sounds a bit like the stereo-typical Dropbox comment, "You could get the same with the raw data, add your own filters, setup the facets from the left side and ...." while the submission website just plainly render the data.
The UX seems different enough to be more for the common person, rather than people who mangle/unmangle data for a living.
The UX seems different enough to be more for the common person, rather than people who mangle/unmangle data for a living.
You've moved the goalposts. Your previous comment implied that the OPM data set does not include the facets for age, tenure, salary band, etc that the DOGE website presents. That's incorrect- the OPM data set includes those facets.
Since you've brought up UX, check out usafacts.org (mentioned on HN a few days ago). For example, a graph of the age of the federal workforce over time: https://usafacts.org/articles/how-old-is-the-federal-workfor.... Or the federal workforce size over time: https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-people-work-for-the-f.... They also link back to the original raw OPM data sets.
The point stands, the data is publicly available. DOGE isn't creating some new radical transparency for the federal government. They're not even the first to reformat the data in a UX friendly manner. AFAICT all they've done is skinned it with "dark mode" and managed to put injection vulns in a .gov website.
Since you've brought up UX, check out usafacts.org (mentioned on HN a few days ago). For example, a graph of the age of the federal workforce over time: https://usafacts.org/articles/how-old-is-the-federal-workfor.... Or the federal workforce size over time: https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-people-work-for-the-f.... They also link back to the original raw OPM data sets.
The point stands, the data is publicly available. DOGE isn't creating some new radical transparency for the federal government. They're not even the first to reformat the data in a UX friendly manner. AFAICT all they've done is skinned it with "dark mode" and managed to put injection vulns in a .gov website.
The initial claim was:
> Somebody build a dashboard that simply replicates data already available on the OPM site
To me, that indicates that the person who wrote that, thinks that website has identical use case as to the website linked in the submission. I missed that you could add facets yourself, that is true and apologies for that, but I still see the websites as serving different audiences. One is for people who know what facets are (simplification), the other is for people who just wanna get an overview quickly, the average person lets say.
So sure, the data is available, just like rsync/scp/ftp is available one way or another on most computers, but the experience and presentation is still different.
Please don't take this as agreement with what DOGE is doing, or that I think it's a good overall idea or whatever, I'm just commenting on that the website seems very different than the website linked in the submission.
> Somebody build a dashboard that simply replicates data already available on the OPM site
To me, that indicates that the person who wrote that, thinks that website has identical use case as to the website linked in the submission. I missed that you could add facets yourself, that is true and apologies for that, but I still see the websites as serving different audiences. One is for people who know what facets are (simplification), the other is for people who just wanna get an overview quickly, the average person lets say.
So sure, the data is available, just like rsync/scp/ftp is available one way or another on most computers, but the experience and presentation is still different.
Please don't take this as agreement with what DOGE is doing, or that I think it's a good overall idea or whatever, I'm just commenting on that the website seems very different than the website linked in the submission.
> The UX seems different enough to be more for the common person, rather than people who mangle/unmangle data for a living
Even people who do it for a living would appreciate not having to do work for no pay after a long day at work just to look at where their taxpayer dollars are going.
Even people who do it for a living would appreciate not having to do work for no pay after a long day at work just to look at where their taxpayer dollars are going.
some fun links
https://doge.gov/workforce?orgId=7cd300eb-cf3f-47f5-90f1-9e6...
https://doge.gov/workforce?orgId=1&ref=404media.co
https://www.404media.co/anyone-can-push-updates-to-the-doge-...
https://doge.gov/workforce?orgId=7cd300eb-cf3f-47f5-90f1-9e6...
https://doge.gov/workforce?orgId=1&ref=404media.co
https://www.404media.co/anyone-can-push-updates-to-the-doge-...
The fact that the entries are still there is also fascinating. No one awake in D.C. to login and delete the entries?
I guess it's not on Elon's twitter feed yet.
Theoretically, if someone defaces a government website like that, could the punishment be harsher than any other random website? Hope people were wearing protection.
That would require a functional Justice department. Welcome to the kakistocracy!
Can anyone find DOGE itself via these charts?
Fun easter-egg on the "Savings" page:
> Receipts coming soon, no later than Valentine's day
Today is February 14th :)
> Receipts coming soon, no later than Valentine's day
Today is February 14th :)
Sure hope they patched this site before publishing all this
https://www.404media.co/anyone-can-push-updates-to-the-doge-...
https://www.404media.co/anyone-can-push-updates-to-the-doge-...
I'm not sure why, but the sheer incompetence makes me even more angry. Sure, they are running roughshod across important institutions, ignorantly tearing everything apart, but the fact they are so poor at it is infuriating. There's a million competent devs in the world, but Elon chose amateur fanboys.
If you're going to take apart democracy, have some goddamn professional pride.
If you're going to take apart democracy, have some goddamn professional pride.
New regimes have often relied on child soldiers who don’t have a developed moral compass to question their actions.
It's probably pretty obvious to you too, but spelling it out just in case it isn't as clear to everyone:
These people are not chosen based on their skill or experience, but most likely by loyalty or some other similar metric. It's literally the fascist playbook updated for modern times, for when you want to dismantle institutions.
These people are not chosen based on their skill or experience, but most likely by loyalty or some other similar metric. It's literally the fascist playbook updated for modern times, for when you want to dismantle institutions.
The only solace I can find is that when the day comes to fight back their poorly constructed edifices will crumble at the first push. Unfortunately they'll have built theirs on the ruins of democracy and we'll just be adding to the rubble.
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If Elon had selected a team of actual competent devs he would need to worry about them saying no to his idiotic ideas. These people were chosen because they were spineless yes-men and workaholics, not because they were competent. Plus most competent devs would not want to get into this mess in the first place.
Yeah, I'm sure that was it. He didn't want to hear that it would take a year of combing the code-base before we'd be willing to make changes.
Yeah, I am pretty sure that is it. Most of us have worked with a guy like Musk, someone who hates hearing that doing things the right way actually takes time.
Was flagged, that was fast
Have to admit these guys are doing well
Was their remit to republish public data and then cancel medical research and foreign aid? Then no, they are not doing well.
What metrics are you using to come to this conclusion?
Nobody voted for President Musk.
The "Unconstitutionality Index" and the meme dollar bill logo are wild.
Congress funds and sets goals for an agency. Agency creates rules to accomplish those goals. Said rules are now unconstitutional? Clearly it’s fake news if some sort to support them burning everything down. Same idea with the tweets - “we deleted 50m in contracts. Here is one example of 1M of a title that sounds crazy”
The Dollar Sign at the top left corner is ridiculous. What a joke.
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Doge.gov database left open.
Mind boggles.