Sabine Hossenfelder: I was asked to keep this confidential(youtube.com)
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Sabine Hossenfelder: I was asked to keep this confidential
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shFUDPqVmTg
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To OP who got insta flagged for harmless snark in their reply:
I'm not saying that you need need to accredited to make good critiques or understand a field, also I'm not saying that science communicators are "bad" or that academia doesn't have rot to critique.
My distrust comes from daily uploads with Mr. Beast tier thumbnails and titles like the one being discussed or 'What is “gravitic propulsion” and could the US government hide it?', jumping the bandwagon on AI news, etc. She's acts like a Youtuber, so I judge her like I would a Youtuber. The whole email is fishy, and is a perfect fit to make a clickbait video in no time for the daily schedule, so I don't trust the email. This isn't some academic making dry in-depth blogposts when they have free time and posting an anonymized email from a colleague. Her job is to make viral videos constantly, her income depends on this, so my skepticism is higher.
I'm not saying that you need need to accredited to make good critiques or understand a field, also I'm not saying that science communicators are "bad" or that academia doesn't have rot to critique.
My distrust comes from daily uploads with Mr. Beast tier thumbnails and titles like the one being discussed or 'What is “gravitic propulsion” and could the US government hide it?', jumping the bandwagon on AI news, etc. She's acts like a Youtuber, so I judge her like I would a Youtuber. The whole email is fishy, and is a perfect fit to make a clickbait video in no time for the daily schedule, so I don't trust the email. This isn't some academic making dry in-depth blogposts when they have free time and posting an anonymized email from a colleague. Her job is to make viral videos constantly, her income depends on this, so my skepticism is higher.
Your suspicion is that the email is fabricated?
If real it’s absolutely not shitty and exactly the right thing to do after all this time and also given that she was careful to remove anything doxxing. In fact one could argue that she should not have waited so long to do so.
> that simplifies the works of others..... for non-Physicists like Neil deGrasse Tyson.
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Sorry! Shitty writing from my part, I mean that NDT makes content for non-Physicists, not that he's isn't a astrophysicist lmao.
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For anyone not wanting to watch the 9min video:
this is about an email she received 7 years ago from a fellow physicist who admits that things / models he and other scientists have been working on are pure BS.
And that they only maintain them to continue to get the funding and their comfortable lives.
this is about an email she received 7 years ago from a fellow physicist who admits that things / models he and other scientists have been working on are pure BS.
And that they only maintain them to continue to get the funding and their comfortable lives.
I think this email was from a troll, and she is too deep in it to realise it.
Sabine's Doge arc. Very interesting timing. But I guess it makes sense. Now is the best time to air this when the government is more likely to be sympathetic to her argument.
On the one hand, I disagree with her, because I believe that 99.99% of people with purse string control are dumb a/f, and that "real work" will happen in the cloud of VC/Politician-stroking. That's the way it works. (And how much money did earlier scientists pump from kings in order to study transmutation?)
On the other hand, I agree with her, and it would be great if this didn't have to happen.
Should I be a purist or a realist?
I can't tell.
On the other hand, I agree with her, and it would be great if this didn't have to happen.
Should I be a purist or a realist?
I can't tell.
I'm not a physicist (I'm a biologist), but I still find this email highly suspicious.
Basically, the message boils down to:
« Don’t criticize our field. We at academia need taxpayer’s money to do useless research. But keep this confidential ».
I can’t see how such a message could exist. The content repeats what she has been saying almost point for point, is highly damaging to scientific research in general, yet the email's author (a researcher) would have asked Sabine (a YouTuber) to keep it confidential. This makes no sense. But it is very convenient as Sabine wouldn’t have to provide any evidence for the message’s legitimacy.
Despite the author sharing Sabine’s views, they would at the same time criticize her for having written an opinion paper about it (in Nature Physics). This also doesn’t make sense. If the goal of the email was to make Sabine aware of the damage she’s done to the field, why include content that is even more damaging? A legit email would have at best included phrases like « I know there are issues in our field, but... ». Describe your own research as "crap" in an email you ask to keep confidential? Give me a break. I don't know any researcher thinking what they do is "crap". In research, you believe in what you do. The email also says that the problem exists in "all other areas". Yeah sure. And how would the emailer know about "all other areas"? Incidentally, this is exactly the idea Sabine tries to convey.
Another inconsistency: the author says they're sorry for being harsh. Why apologize to Sabine for stating what she believes? For me, this is Sabine speaking to her audience right here.
Basically, the message boils down to:
« Don’t criticize our field. We at academia need taxpayer’s money to do useless research. But keep this confidential ».
I can’t see how such a message could exist. The content repeats what she has been saying almost point for point, is highly damaging to scientific research in general, yet the email's author (a researcher) would have asked Sabine (a YouTuber) to keep it confidential. This makes no sense. But it is very convenient as Sabine wouldn’t have to provide any evidence for the message’s legitimacy.
Despite the author sharing Sabine’s views, they would at the same time criticize her for having written an opinion paper about it (in Nature Physics). This also doesn’t make sense. If the goal of the email was to make Sabine aware of the damage she’s done to the field, why include content that is even more damaging? A legit email would have at best included phrases like « I know there are issues in our field, but... ». Describe your own research as "crap" in an email you ask to keep confidential? Give me a break. I don't know any researcher thinking what they do is "crap". In research, you believe in what you do. The email also says that the problem exists in "all other areas". Yeah sure. And how would the emailer know about "all other areas"? Incidentally, this is exactly the idea Sabine tries to convey.
Another inconsistency: the author says they're sorry for being harsh. Why apologize to Sabine for stating what she believes? For me, this is Sabine speaking to her audience right here.
I think it's less "But keep this confidential" and more "This is an off-the-record remark," sort of like something a colleague might say in hushed tones in a hallway. I think the point whoever wrote this at the time was trying to get across was to try to tell her to shut up and not ruin a good thing, if not for herself then for other people. To their credit, they have somewhat of a point in that: speaking up against this will hurt people, even if it does make for better science and even if it's the right thing to do.
I have absolutely no idea why she published this, suddenly and with such vitriol after having already covered it, today of all the times - but my hunch is that it might only be because the US grant funding system is currently coming apart at the seams that she's comfortable finally stopping with pulling her punches. I mean, what more damage can it do? Most of these people are losing their funding anyway - her speaking out isn't going to cost anyone a grant, and not outing the person who pulled her aside directly isn't going to cause anyone any permanent reputational damage.
It's all ethically self-consistent and makes a sort of sense, even if it's not what I'd personally do. But I haven't walked in her shoes, either.
> I don't know any researcher thinking what they do is "crap". In research, you believe in what you do.
I'm glad you know good people! Sincerely - it's reassuring to hear.
I'd love to believe that all science and all researchers are as noble of heart as this, but there is a clear and documentable issue of fraud in the sciences that points to systemic issues in how science itself is incentivized and performed - none of this is a secret. So many people go into science (and stay in science!) for all the best reasons, but it is not exactly a stretch to imagine that, despite relatively recent high-profile exposures, there are still people out there even today doing some or all of their jobs in bad faith.
Perhaps the author's commentary about "all other areas" had to do with that fraud even back then (the letter was written seven years ago, the video said) - I don't know. To be fair, it wouldn't be that difficult to find at least one major episode of academic fraud in every major hard science discipline at this point, so I personally really don't think the "all" here is exactly doing that much heavy lifting. I also get the impression reading the letter that the author may not have been a native speaker of English, so perhaps giving them (and, consequently, Sabine) the assumption of good faith here and hand-waving the "all" into a "many" would be a sensible thing to do here.
> For me, this is Sabine speaking to her audience right here.
Does this speak to her audience? Of course - she makes her living off her YouTube channel. But that doesn't really discount the message.
The timing is odd, though, and makes her look oddly partisan in a way that hasn't agreed with other things I've seen her talk about on her channel (which I do watch). For what it's worth, I'm no scientist but I've been in academia myself - please believe me when I tell you there's plenty of corruption and grift in the humanities, too. I have stories.
I have absolutely no idea why she published this, suddenly and with such vitriol after having already covered it, today of all the times - but my hunch is that it might only be because the US grant funding system is currently coming apart at the seams that she's comfortable finally stopping with pulling her punches. I mean, what more damage can it do? Most of these people are losing their funding anyway - her speaking out isn't going to cost anyone a grant, and not outing the person who pulled her aside directly isn't going to cause anyone any permanent reputational damage.
It's all ethically self-consistent and makes a sort of sense, even if it's not what I'd personally do. But I haven't walked in her shoes, either.
> I don't know any researcher thinking what they do is "crap". In research, you believe in what you do.
I'm glad you know good people! Sincerely - it's reassuring to hear.
I'd love to believe that all science and all researchers are as noble of heart as this, but there is a clear and documentable issue of fraud in the sciences that points to systemic issues in how science itself is incentivized and performed - none of this is a secret. So many people go into science (and stay in science!) for all the best reasons, but it is not exactly a stretch to imagine that, despite relatively recent high-profile exposures, there are still people out there even today doing some or all of their jobs in bad faith.
Perhaps the author's commentary about "all other areas" had to do with that fraud even back then (the letter was written seven years ago, the video said) - I don't know. To be fair, it wouldn't be that difficult to find at least one major episode of academic fraud in every major hard science discipline at this point, so I personally really don't think the "all" here is exactly doing that much heavy lifting. I also get the impression reading the letter that the author may not have been a native speaker of English, so perhaps giving them (and, consequently, Sabine) the assumption of good faith here and hand-waving the "all" into a "many" would be a sensible thing to do here.
> For me, this is Sabine speaking to her audience right here.
Does this speak to her audience? Of course - she makes her living off her YouTube channel. But that doesn't really discount the message.
The timing is odd, though, and makes her look oddly partisan in a way that hasn't agreed with other things I've seen her talk about on her channel (which I do watch). For what it's worth, I'm no scientist but I've been in academia myself - please believe me when I tell you there's plenty of corruption and grift in the humanities, too. I have stories.
> highly damaging to scientific research in general
Uhm, what? How so?
> Describe your own research as "crap" in an email you ask to keep confidential? Give me a break. I don't know any researcher thinking what they do is "crap".
You don't have to think of something as crap to use the word once, in an email. It's not that deep.
> And how would the emailer know about "all other areas"? Incidentally, this is exactly the idea Sabine tries to convey.
It's also what you'd say when you think that "everybody is doing it". And do you know that people can just state something even though they may not actually know if its true? Not just in emails, also on the web!
> Another inconsistency: the author says they're sorry for being harsh. Why apologize to Sabine for stating what she believes?
Why not?
> For me, this is Sabine speaking to her audience right here.
Oh, so it's all fake, right. Because you "can't see" why someone you don't know would write that about something you don't know either.
I find the efforts to make mountains out of mole hills, or even nothing at all, this focusing all on her as a person and the email, rather than the usual "everyone going off a tangent on the subject", where in this case there would probably a lot of anecdotes to tell, insightful in its own right.
Uhm, what? How so?
> Describe your own research as "crap" in an email you ask to keep confidential? Give me a break. I don't know any researcher thinking what they do is "crap".
You don't have to think of something as crap to use the word once, in an email. It's not that deep.
> And how would the emailer know about "all other areas"? Incidentally, this is exactly the idea Sabine tries to convey.
It's also what you'd say when you think that "everybody is doing it". And do you know that people can just state something even though they may not actually know if its true? Not just in emails, also on the web!
> Another inconsistency: the author says they're sorry for being harsh. Why apologize to Sabine for stating what she believes?
Why not?
> For me, this is Sabine speaking to her audience right here.
Oh, so it's all fake, right. Because you "can't see" why someone you don't know would write that about something you don't know either.
I find the efforts to make mountains out of mole hills, or even nothing at all, this focusing all on her as a person and the email, rather than the usual "everyone going off a tangent on the subject", where in this case there would probably a lot of anecdotes to tell, insightful in its own right.
Is there any YT video summarizing AI yet, or not yet? Do I still have to manually copy-paste the transcript into an LLM? Even Google's Gemini can't do it if given a YT link. Oh well, below is the copy-pasted transcript summary for this one.
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SUMMARY:
This video transcript, apparently from Sabine Hossenfelder, expresses deep concerns about the state of academic research in theoretical physics, particularly in high-energy physics (HEP). The email she reads—whether real or fabricated—illustrates the cynicism and structural issues in academic funding and research priorities. Here are the main takeaways:
1. Critique of Research Culture: The email suggests that much of modern theoretical physics, especially beyond the Standard Model (BSM) physics, is a self-sustaining bubble. Researchers publish minor variations of existing models to keep the funding cycle going, despite knowing that these models are unlikely to lead to groundbreaking discoveries.
2. Funding Misallocation: There is a strong argument that public funds are being wasted on projects that promise revolutionary insights (e.g., the DUNE experiment, new particle colliders) but are unlikely to deliver anything truly transformative.
3. Academic Survival vs. Scientific Integrity: The email implies that many researchers stay in academia because they have no alternative career paths, rather than out of genuine scientific curiosity. The system, it suggests, favors those who conform rather than those who challenge prevailing narratives.
4. Cynicism Toward Taxpayers: The author of the email exhibits a condescending attitude toward the public, implying that taxpayers don’t understand physics and are being manipulated into funding what amounts to academic job security.
5. Impending Collapse: Hossenfelder warns that this unsustainable system will eventually implode when funding dries up or the public demands accountability. She also seems to believe that real scientific progress is being stifled by the prioritization of institutional stability over bold new ideas.
6. Ethical Dilemma: The video raises an important question: Should scientific research be judged solely by its theoretical promise, or should it be held to stricter standards of practical utility and accountability?
While her perspective is undoubtedly controversial, it does highlight a fundamental problem in academia—publish-or-perish incentives, grant-driven research, and the reluctance to challenge established paradigms. Whether or not one agrees with her, the broader debate about scientific integrity and funding allocation remains crucial.
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SUMMARY:
This video transcript, apparently from Sabine Hossenfelder, expresses deep concerns about the state of academic research in theoretical physics, particularly in high-energy physics (HEP). The email she reads—whether real or fabricated—illustrates the cynicism and structural issues in academic funding and research priorities. Here are the main takeaways:
1. Critique of Research Culture: The email suggests that much of modern theoretical physics, especially beyond the Standard Model (BSM) physics, is a self-sustaining bubble. Researchers publish minor variations of existing models to keep the funding cycle going, despite knowing that these models are unlikely to lead to groundbreaking discoveries.
2. Funding Misallocation: There is a strong argument that public funds are being wasted on projects that promise revolutionary insights (e.g., the DUNE experiment, new particle colliders) but are unlikely to deliver anything truly transformative.
3. Academic Survival vs. Scientific Integrity: The email implies that many researchers stay in academia because they have no alternative career paths, rather than out of genuine scientific curiosity. The system, it suggests, favors those who conform rather than those who challenge prevailing narratives.
4. Cynicism Toward Taxpayers: The author of the email exhibits a condescending attitude toward the public, implying that taxpayers don’t understand physics and are being manipulated into funding what amounts to academic job security.
5. Impending Collapse: Hossenfelder warns that this unsustainable system will eventually implode when funding dries up or the public demands accountability. She also seems to believe that real scientific progress is being stifled by the prioritization of institutional stability over bold new ideas.
6. Ethical Dilemma: The video raises an important question: Should scientific research be judged solely by its theoretical promise, or should it be held to stricter standards of practical utility and accountability?
While her perspective is undoubtedly controversial, it does highlight a fundamental problem in academia—publish-or-perish incentives, grant-driven research, and the reluctance to challenge established paradigms. Whether or not one agrees with her, the broader debate about scientific integrity and funding allocation remains crucial.
There’s one currently on the frontpage.
Summary via tldw.tube: The video explores concerns about the integrity and trustworthiness of scientific research, particularly in the field of physics. The speaker shares a confidential email received years prior, wherein a colleague expresses worries about the impact of critical publications on the community, suggesting that some researchers prioritize personal gain over public accountability.
Summary via tldw.tube: The video explores concerns about the integrity and trustworthiness of scientific research, particularly in the field of physics. The speaker shares a confidential email received years prior, wherein a colleague expresses worries about the impact of critical publications on the community, suggesting that some researchers prioritize personal gain over public accountability.
I took a speed-reading course and read War and Peace in twenty minutes. It involves Russia. -- Woody Allen
That's not fair. The summary is useful to decide if I actually want to watch the video or not. It's a useful filter. My time budget for watching videos is finite.
You are outsourcing thinking. If the AI is biased in any way, you might be given purposeful misinterpretations changing your feed and thus your thoughts.
In this case, the supposed summary is as if the material is a dry academic argument, totally missing all the bits of demagoguery and rebel image promotion.
She's starting to talk like climate change deniers and intelligent design cranks. Paranoid and desperate for attention.
"starting to talk like" is just code for you not being to quote and make a valid criticism of what she is saying.
Bah, all this pussyfooting about the bush, she should just say what she means.
If we had a crystal ball that would tell us which piece of fundamental research will pan out, that would be great. But we don't. So we fund research with the understanding that a very high percentage of it will not directly lead us anywhere. Yes, maybe it's bullshit, but we'd learn why, rather than taking someone's word for it. The alternative is to fund no research, and guarantee we get nowhere.
Don't show this the MAGA guys giving them ideas about further fund saving possiblities...
Is this an endorsement of corruption?
You want to talk about the need to perpetuate fraudulent and conspiratorial science for profit, look no further than "Climate Change".
I rest my case!
Yawn. Hossenfelder's clickbait is getting tiresome.
She makes daily videos mostly of "current happenings" not related to physics. I feel that she wants to keep the image of a full time academic speaking authoritatively, while being a science communicator that simplifies the works of others for non-Physicists like Neil deGrasse Tyson.
It doesn't even make sense for someone who's paranoid of their employer to the level that they use an alternate email when the exchange is supposedly gonna be confidential. They believe IT is manually reading their emails? An alert rule for outgoing mail to Hossenfelder? While at the same time have enough trust to use their full name and mention authorship in the email to a Youtuber with 1.6 million subscribers? One would expect that they would ask for their info to be redacted, which is exactly is what happened, but then you don't have an excellent clickbait title. Also, in the case that email is real, what she did is incredible shitty and only for clicks.