Rooted Android phones vulnerable due to Android kernel patching flaws(zimperium.com)

18 pointsby witnessme11 mesi fa11 comments

Rooted Android phones vulnerable due to Android kernel patching flaws

https://zimperium.com/blog/the-rooting-of-all-evil-security-holes-that-could-compromise-your-mobile-device

11 comments

The author goes into the weeds on the vulnerabilities that can be left following some rooting methods. All to the good.

Meanwhile, it's non-rooted phones that get endlessly compromised

    by state sponsored cellbright attacks (LEO),
    by blackhatted Israeli exploitive malware platforms
    and from an endless array of general crapware, much 
     of it from handset manufacturers, wireless carriers and 
     their bloatware affiliates.

All that said, the article really does go into detail. I know enough to follow along but probably not enough to spot issues (if there are any).

ThePowerOfFuet11 mesi fa

>Meanwhile, it's non-rooted phones that get endlessly compromised

With the notable exclusion of GrapheneOS. (It's also Cellebrite-proof going on three years now.)

diogenes_atx11 mesi fa

What are the security vulnerabilities of GrapheneOS?

hulitu11 mesi fa

> With the notable exclusion of GrapheneOS. (It's also Cellebrite-proof going on three years now.)

Does Whatsup run on GrapheneOS ? Asking for a friend /s

preisschild11 mesi fa

You are mistaking "rooting" with using a different Android distribution.

You can install GrapheneOS/Lineageos without root. And you can install a su binary on the stock OS, not improving privacy at all.

spaqin11 mesi fa

Would be much easier to work against such vulnerabilities if rooting was officially sanctioned and actual resources could be put towards making it a viable and secure option, rather than taking away the power from the user for the device they purchased.

preisschild11 mesi fa

Giving apps root permissions exposes a huge hole in the Android security system (normal permissions) though. This is inherently more insecure than not having root at all.

> rather than taking away the power from the user for the device they purchased

I disagree with that. Not having root doesn't mean it's inherently anti-user. I use GrapheneOS without root and am still in total control of my device.

mckenzba11 mesi fa

What does giving apps root permissions have anything to do with rooting a device? Rooting in this context means unlocking the bootloader to allow for a custom OS/kernel that isn't signed by the OEM. You can have a rooted device while still running an OS that restricts apps (that behave) from having root account access.

I'd rather have the ability to enroll my own keys so I can boot my own signed OS and maintain a root of trust that I own much like what can be done on desktop Linux with a TPM. IIRC Google's Pixel phones have this ability (and are one of the few phones that have this ability if I'm not mistaken).

preisschild11 mesi fa

> Rooting in this context means unlocking the bootloader to allow for a custom OS/kernel that isn't signed by the OEM

That would not be the correct usage of the term "rooting". "Rooting" on Android systems generally means to install a `su` binary (like Magisk) that you can use to give apps root permissions, thus completely circumventing the normal android app permission system.

> I'd rather have the ability to enroll my own keys so I can boot my own signed OS and maintain a root of trust that I own much like what can be done on desktop Linux with a TPM. IIRC Google's Pixel phones have this ability (and are one of the few phones that have this ability if I'm not mistaken).

I agree completely. I have a Google Pixel and use this with GrapheneOS.

This feature is `called avb_custom_key`, and yeah, unfortunately only some devices support it.

https://github.com/chenxiaolong/avbroot/issues/299

donkeybeer11 mesi fa

I am not understanding what you are trying to say. Nobody runs daily apps as root on desktop linux either. Root here means ability to not necessarily actually doing something as the root user.

I don't know anything about Android permission system is built atop linux, what does it mean when you say giving an app 'root permissions'?

witnessme11 mesi fa

This latest test is related to rooting framework KernelSU. Sinilar vulnerabilities were found earlier in other rooting frameworks such as APatch , SKRoot, etc. The vulnerability results in gaining root access and escalated privileges.