Ask HN: Why topics are getting flagged when it is about Israel?
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Every single article about Israel devolves into an unpleasant and unproductive flame war. This is not true as reliably true about your other examples.
From the guidelines: “Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity.”
There are already so many forums across the Internet, where you could discuss Israel and Palestine if you want. There’s no reason that every discussion forum has to discuss all topics.
As far as censorship, everyone above a certain karma is able to flag stories, and some number of flags will kill a story. I am but a n00b but at various times I have flagged articles I’ve seen about Israel and Palestine simply because the articles and the ensuing arguments seem to violate the community guideline about politics. I’m sure others do the same.
Additionally, some specific posters seem intent on hijacking the forum, and submit endlessly on this topic, and almost nothing else. That feels like abuse to me and behaviour worthy of being flagged.
From the guidelines: “Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity.”
There are already so many forums across the Internet, where you could discuss Israel and Palestine if you want. There’s no reason that every discussion forum has to discuss all topics.
As far as censorship, everyone above a certain karma is able to flag stories, and some number of flags will kill a story. I am but a n00b but at various times I have flagged articles I’ve seen about Israel and Palestine simply because the articles and the ensuing arguments seem to violate the community guideline about politics. I’m sure others do the same.
Additionally, some specific posters seem intent on hijacking the forum, and submit endlessly on this topic, and almost nothing else. That feels like abuse to me and behaviour worthy of being flagged.
This is pretty much it, yes. Certain topics inevitably generate more heat than light and have no real connection to tech.
And it's good to remember, as you point out, that it's not HN the platform that is flagging things, it's the readership.
And it's good to remember, as you point out, that it's not HN the platform that is flagging things, it's the readership.
Important conversations shouldn’t be shut down just because they’re hard or some people don't find them convenient.
Conversations aren’t being shut down.
Individual people are are trying to steer the conversations in one direction, and other individuals are exercising their right to not follow that direction.
This is akin to showing up on a house party, full of people in small groups discussing every topic under the sun. But you wanna talk about Israel. So you move from group to group and try to steer the conversation toward Israel. And each group in their own way rebuffs you. Some simply ignore you, some change the topic back, some tell you you’re being rude etc. etc.. You may not like this. This may not be the house party for you. That’s fine, but your logic suggests that you believe you have the right to force people to talk about the thing that you want to talk about, and you don’t.
Is it good or bad that people don’t want to talk about Israel? I don’t know. But just because you think it would be a good idea. It doesn’t mean you can force the rest of us to agree.
Individual people are are trying to steer the conversations in one direction, and other individuals are exercising their right to not follow that direction.
This is akin to showing up on a house party, full of people in small groups discussing every topic under the sun. But you wanna talk about Israel. So you move from group to group and try to steer the conversation toward Israel. And each group in their own way rebuffs you. Some simply ignore you, some change the topic back, some tell you you’re being rude etc. etc.. You may not like this. This may not be the house party for you. That’s fine, but your logic suggests that you believe you have the right to force people to talk about the thing that you want to talk about, and you don’t.
Is it good or bad that people don’t want to talk about Israel? I don’t know. But just because you think it would be a good idea. It doesn’t mean you can force the rest of us to agree.
You are not forced to talk about anything, if the topic is too much for you, just ignore the topic, but please let others discuss in peace.
>Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity
These rule was only applied when discussing Israels abuses.
For a long time it was clear that kids and women were starving and posts were getting removed "to keep good vibes in the forum".
These rule was only applied when discussing Israels abuses.
For a long time it was clear that kids and women were starving and posts were getting removed "to keep good vibes in the forum".
Anyone above a certain karma level can flag articles; it rarely if ever is HN staff. They don’t do the editorializing.
Anything “controversial” will likely be flagged by a sufficient number of users; this doesn’t reflect a particular position, only how heated of a topic it is. Many don’t like political content, and it goes against HN guidelines to a certain degree; then again, it is not applied in any systematic fashion.
Anything “controversial” will likely be flagged by a sufficient number of users; this doesn’t reflect a particular position, only how heated of a topic it is. Many don’t like political content, and it goes against HN guidelines to a certain degree; then again, it is not applied in any systematic fashion.
Platform should either censor equally all of them, or not censor at all, please stop this selective censorship or ban all Israeli bots flagging topics related to Israel