Russia's Kinzhal Missiles Are Too Fast to Shoot, So Ukraine Jams Them with Music(trenchart.us)
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Russia's Kinzhal Missiles Are Too Fast to Shoot, So Ukraine Jams Them with Music
https://www.trenchart.us/p/to-jam-russias-mach-57-kinzhal-missiles
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reads quite like propaganda. no technical details, just "patriotic music" can defeat high tech weapons vibes. terrible boring article.
"Bandera was a World War II Ukrainian insurgent" he is a very very controversial character[0] and that description is quite reducing.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera
"Bandera was a World War II Ukrainian insurgent" he is a very very controversial character[0] and that description is quite reducing.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera
This phrasing surprised me, too. Bandera certainly has a mixed legacy. The truth of the matter is that Stalin's brutality and evil was so bad that he forced western Ukrainian nationalists to collaborate with Nazi Germany (which of course was also brutal and evil, but also offered a semblance of hope for Ukrainians, like other ethnic minorities and partisans who were placed against gargantuan rocks and hard places during the height of the horrors of the 20th century, and perhaps world history).
Hello, old-ish person born and living in Poland here. [0] I would just like to add some color to this topic.
I know that Ukraine has a complicated history with our country. I also believe that Ukraine is currently fighting for freedom and democracy in Europe.
Oddly enough, nothing better states my feelings than this Russian language music video, by a group who is now banned in Russia. IC3PEAK nailed it, and risked their lives in doing so. Please take less than three minutes to watch it with subs on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqohApD6Ng8 [1]
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac...
[1] Previous discussion, possibly the most upvoted music video on this website:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40027113
I know that Ukraine has a complicated history with our country. I also believe that Ukraine is currently fighting for freedom and democracy in Europe.
Oddly enough, nothing better states my feelings than this Russian language music video, by a group who is now banned in Russia. IC3PEAK nailed it, and risked their lives in doing so. Please take less than three minutes to watch it with subs on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqohApD6Ng8 [1]
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac...
[1] Previous discussion, possibly the most upvoted music video on this website:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40027113
>Ukraine is currently fighting for freedom and democracy in Europe
But somehow their heroes wear Nazi's symbols[0].
[0] https://www.lemonde.fr/videos/video/2025/06/18/guerre-en-ukr...
But somehow their heroes wear Nazi's symbols[0].
[0] https://www.lemonde.fr/videos/video/2025/06/18/guerre-en-ukr...
You guys are the experts on this [1][2][3][4][5][6][7], so please educate us how it's possible. It's very well known fact that Russia was always friendly with the nazis. It all started with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac....
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Utkin
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_National_Unity
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Managed_nationalism
[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Imperial_Movement
[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryno-Skachevsky_gang
[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Organization_of_Russian...
[7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich_Group
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Utkin
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_National_Unity
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Managed_nationalism
[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Imperial_Movement
[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryno-Skachevsky_gang
[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Organization_of_Russian...
[7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich_Group
>The truth of the matter is that Stalin's brutality and evil was so bad that he forced western Ukrainian nationalists to collaborate with Nazi Germany
Yeah, right. The truth.
Is it Stalin who forced Ukrainian nationalists to genocide Poles, Jews and also Armenians, Russians, Czechs and Georgians? [0] Looks like the genocidal ideology of Ukrainian nationalists aligned very well with genocidal ideology of German Nazis.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia...
Yeah, right. The truth.
Is it Stalin who forced Ukrainian nationalists to genocide Poles, Jews and also Armenians, Russians, Czechs and Georgians? [0] Looks like the genocidal ideology of Ukrainian nationalists aligned very well with genocidal ideology of German Nazis.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia...
And yet, Stalin was the one who actually did do a genocide in Ukraine. He also did one at home, but the Putinesque approach to history is to ignore all of that.
I really hate to say it, but makes it feel like not everything that Putin said was a lie.
Good propaganda does not work on "entirely lies". In order to be more believable, it contains some shreds of truth and also some omissions.
Bandera was not a nice person, but neither were the Russian rulers whom the current Russian government lionizes as great people. As for Nazism in general, Wagner Group was founded by an actual Nazi.
It all boils down to Lenin's "Who? Whom?"
Bandera was not a nice person, but neither were the Russian rulers whom the current Russian government lionizes as great people. As for Nazism in general, Wagner Group was founded by an actual Nazi.
It all boils down to Lenin's "Who? Whom?"
>Bandera was not a nice person
Neither was Hitler
Neither was Hitler
what specifically, though? Did Putin actually say it? Did Putin also say something contradictory to it?
what about not-believing something from the Ukranian government makes Putin more trustworthy?
what about not-believing something from the Ukranian government makes Putin more trustworthy?
The best bullshit always has a little bit of truth mixed in. Still not a justification for invading, and still just a cover for his, and Russia's overall, imperialistic ambition.
udumblol(3)
Ballistic missile is flying in an intermittent cloud of plasma and cannot communicate or receive communication. Given that GNSS signals are very weak even a smallest plasma blocks them entirely.
It has been circulated that Kinzhals can now maneuver a bit, just enough to avoid PATRIOT interceptors and it looks like it's true.
It has been circulated that Kinzhals can now maneuver a bit, just enough to avoid PATRIOT interceptors and it looks like it's true.
Seems like a very bad idea to announce the capability and means for defeating an enemy weapon. Which makes me suspect this is misinformation or a psyop.
Eh, it's at such a superficial level it doesn't really pose a problem at the "revealing secret capabilities" level. It's EW, and Ukraine is covered in EW. If it's working against Kinzhal particularly, Russia doesn't need to read random English blog posts to find out. So this is just fluff propaganda or something. It's not that deep.
udumblol(2)
So the ending of Star Trek: Beyond wasn't so absurd after all
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This is no longer true. The latest version of Kinzhal has maneuverability during the last section (and makes them much harder for Patriots to shoot down). This was done in 2025 and was(apparently) achieved via software modifications only.
I think you misread my comment. Maneuvering ballistic missiles are nothing new and have been around since the 70s.
So it's hypersonic and it's maneuverable? Which part of this is not a "true hypersonic"? The air breathing? Seems like we're splitting hairs just finely enough to say team red doesn't have the good stuff.
Not at all. I'm using industry standard definitions. To be clear, the US does not have an operational hypersonic either.
A ballistic weapon follows a somewhat parabolic trajectory. It goes way up, often into outer space, then it falls down with enormous speed. A bunch of potential energy is built up in its boost phase, and released as kinetic energy in a much shorter dive, usually exceeding several times the speed of sound.
A hypersonic weapon can travel at low altitudes in sustained flight in a non-parabolic flight path. That is the key differentiator. How you get there is up to you.
To that end, that often implies other things. Lower altitudes often has stuff you have to go around: the earth itself (sea level), hills or mountains, buildings, observation posts, radars, or you might want it to take a particular approach path in general for geopolitical reasons and fly it in commercial airline flight paths or along borders. This often means a lot of power is required to sustain flight, so usually not carrying your oxidizer is handy.
A ballistic weapon follows a somewhat parabolic trajectory. It goes way up, often into outer space, then it falls down with enormous speed. A bunch of potential energy is built up in its boost phase, and released as kinetic energy in a much shorter dive, usually exceeding several times the speed of sound.
A hypersonic weapon can travel at low altitudes in sustained flight in a non-parabolic flight path. That is the key differentiator. How you get there is up to you.
To that end, that often implies other things. Lower altitudes often has stuff you have to go around: the earth itself (sea level), hills or mountains, buildings, observation posts, radars, or you might want it to take a particular approach path in general for geopolitical reasons and fly it in commercial airline flight paths or along borders. This often means a lot of power is required to sustain flight, so usually not carrying your oxidizer is handy.
> are "just" air-launched ballistic missiles
Unfortunately not anymore. Rumor is russian developers added a new capability this year - ability to deviate from ballistic trajectory just enough to avoid PATRIOT interceptors.
Unfortunately not anymore. Rumor is russian developers added a new capability this year - ability to deviate from ballistic trajectory just enough to avoid PATRIOT interceptors.
drysine(2)
How exactly would the process even look like? You have a, presumably, very sophisticated EW setup, can you just upload mp3 files via Bluetooth, does it have a USB port or what? Why would the actual RF engineers building this go out of their way to enable crews to screw with the equipment like that.
The whole things seems extremely implausible. Other sources report the same exact story as if it were an established fact, but I highly doubt that.