The peace of a nation no longer besieged by the third world(twitter.com)
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The peace of a nation no longer besieged by the third world
https://twitter.com/DHSgov/status/2006472108222853298
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This is the Department of Homeland Security, a United States federal government department, publicly advocating for deporting nearly a third of the entire population of the country. Only around 7% of the population are non-citizens. That means they would need to deport around 75 million American citizens. Let that sink in.
"Besieged by the third world?" Odd. I thought this was just about enforcing existing immigration laws and only targeting illegal immigrants.
I'm pretty sure there aren't 100 million illegal immigrants in the US. There aren't even that many legal immigrants in the US.
I'm pretty sure there aren't 100 million illegal immigrants in the US. There aren't even that many legal immigrants in the US.
I think they want to remove the citizenship of anyone born outside America and anyone born to parents that aren’t citizens, based on some posts I saw earlier on Twitter that were supporting this DHS message.
> I think they want to remove the citizenship of anyone born outside America and anyone born to parents that aren’t citizens
The entire foreign born population, at the high end of estimates, is around 55 million. US-born children of foreign born parents doesn't get you anywhere close to 45 million more.
The entire foreign born population, at the high end of estimates, is around 55 million. US-born children of foreign born parents doesn't get you anywhere close to 45 million more.
> I think they want to remove the citizenship of anyone born outside America and anyone born to parents that aren’t citizens…
… and are not white
… and are not white
I never thought I'd say this - younger me would slap current me in the face for even thinking it - but I miss W and the neocons. Still irredeemably evil, but not "Snidely Whiplash tying a Mexican to the train tracks and posting it to the 'Gram" evil.
> I never thought I'd say this - younger me would slap current me in the face for even thinking it - but I miss W and the neocons.
I occasionally think this for a moment, but then I remember that the present state of the Republican Party is a takeover by groups the GOP has actively courted, encouraged, and and whipped up since Nixon (or, perhaps more to the point, since the most recent time that group became angry with the Democratic Party because of Johnson’s support for the Civil Rights Act), helping its ideology spread and become acceptable, who had gotten tired of the way the party addressed them to get their support not being fully reflected in the way the party actually governed.
I occasionally think this for a moment, but then I remember that the present state of the Republican Party is a takeover by groups the GOP has actively courted, encouraged, and and whipped up since Nixon (or, perhaps more to the point, since the most recent time that group became angry with the Democratic Party because of Johnson’s support for the Civil Rights Act), helping its ideology spread and become acceptable, who had gotten tired of the way the party addressed them to get their support not being fully reflected in the way the party actually governed.
I take it back because I remember which administration the Abu Ghraib stuff happened under.
I don’t think you’re alone. I have had the same feeling about W. I think the current lunge towards the far right feels far less “contained” and I’m not sure where it will eventually take this country. And then there are the damaged relationships with other countries. I couldn’t have imagined having a broken relationship with Canada. What is America’s place in the future world after this administration?
Ironically the nearest I've come to the vibe in the picture - peace, beach palm trees has been in less developed countries like Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia. Less American cars but you can't have everything.
I'm not sure you call those third world anymore? The standard of living in the better parts of those is not far off the west. Apparently Singapore was 'third world' and now has longer life expectancy, more income at ppp, lower crime etc. than the US.
I'm not sure you call those third world anymore? The standard of living in the better parts of those is not far off the west. Apparently Singapore was 'third world' and now has longer life expectancy, more income at ppp, lower crime etc. than the US.
The Trump administration made a Twitter post repeating far right supremacist calls for deporting 100 million Americans. Statistically this would also mean deporting a large number of citizens. This is a dangerous idea to repeat in official channels. Apart from the humanitarian impact and potential unconstitutionality of such actions, it will also mean less access to valuable talent for the tech industry.
Potential unconstitutionality?
There is no constitutional basis for deporting 100 million people from America. None.
Illegal immigrants? Sure. Whether or not they have committed any crimes while here, it's clearly within the federal government's legitimate authority.
Legal immigrants? It's a jerk move, if you said they could come in and now you change your mind, but it's probably not unconstitutional.
But we have an estimated 14 million illegal immigrants, and 48 million legal. So, deport 38 million citizens? On what basis would that be constitutional? There's no way.
I care far more about the damage to the rule of law than I do about the damage to the tech industry.
There is no constitutional basis for deporting 100 million people from America. None.
Illegal immigrants? Sure. Whether or not they have committed any crimes while here, it's clearly within the federal government's legitimate authority.
Legal immigrants? It's a jerk move, if you said they could come in and now you change your mind, but it's probably not unconstitutional.
But we have an estimated 14 million illegal immigrants, and 48 million legal. So, deport 38 million citizens? On what basis would that be constitutional? There's no way.
I care far more about the damage to the rule of law than I do about the damage to the tech industry.
I assume you meant 48 million legal immigrants? For the citizens I think their strategy is to get SCOTUS to undo birthright citizenship for that type of citizen and to come up with complex ways of undoing other people’s citizenship by suggesting they committed fraud in the process or something.
> For the citizens I think their strategy is to get SCOTUS to undo birthright citizenship for that type of citizen
What do you mean “For that type of citizen”? There is no definable “type of citizen” that (after deporting all the foreign-born population regardless of citizenship) that gets you anywhere near the 100 million total unless it is something like “non-White”. (If you imagine that it something like US-born children of non-citizen parents, which is what most of the discussion of revoking birthright citizenship focusses on, that doesn't get you anywhere close.)
What do you mean “For that type of citizen”? There is no definable “type of citizen” that (after deporting all the foreign-born population regardless of citizenship) that gets you anywhere near the 100 million total unless it is something like “non-White”. (If you imagine that it something like US-born children of non-citizen parents, which is what most of the discussion of revoking birthright citizenship focusses on, that doesn't get you anywhere close.)
>There is no definable “type of citizen” that (after deporting all the foreign-born population regardless of citizenship) that gets you anywhere near the 100 million total unless it is something like “non-White”.
got it in one.
got it in one.
Yes. Fixed.
And, yes, I fear that is the strategy and/or plan. I am vehemently opposed, but I'm not sure how to effectively oppose this. I still have some hope for sanity on this from the Supreme Court, but that's the last line of defense that I see, and I don't have much influence there.
And, yes, I fear that is the strategy and/or plan. I am vehemently opposed, but I'm not sure how to effectively oppose this. I still have some hope for sanity on this from the Supreme Court, but that's the last line of defense that I see, and I don't have much influence there.
Trump has with impunity engaged in so many clearly unconstitutional acts that it is clear that the constitution is merely a worthless piece of paper.
> The Trump administration made a Twitter post repeating far right supremacist calls for deporting 100 million Americans. Statistically this would also mean deporting a large number of citizens. [...] Apart from the humanitarian impact and potential unconstitutionality
Estimates vary, but the total US foreign-born population (including naturalized citizens, and legal permanent and temporary residents, and the undocumented) is something under 55 million, so deporting 100 million people (about 30% of the total US population) would mean deporting the entire foreign-born population (including naturalized citizens and legal residents) plus at least another 45 million natural-born citizens; nearly as many (possibly more, since the foreign-born estimate range starts under 50 million) natural-born citizens as foreign-born persons irrespective of citizenship, which is around 1 out of every 6 natural-born citizens.
It is blatantly both unconstitutional and a crime against humanity.
Estimates vary, but the total US foreign-born population (including naturalized citizens, and legal permanent and temporary residents, and the undocumented) is something under 55 million, so deporting 100 million people (about 30% of the total US population) would mean deporting the entire foreign-born population (including naturalized citizens and legal residents) plus at least another 45 million natural-born citizens; nearly as many (possibly more, since the foreign-born estimate range starts under 50 million) natural-born citizens as foreign-born persons irrespective of citizenship, which is around 1 out of every 6 natural-born citizens.
It is blatantly both unconstitutional and a crime against humanity.
It's a pretty picture.
Nice car, a V8 from the Sixties, no doubt.
Blue skies. Nothing but blue skies.
I wonder if those berries nearby are poisonous.
Is that Hawaii, Clearwater Florida, or Galveston Texas?
Wait, is that a tsunami?!
This is a secret subtle subliminal message (global warming is real) from a subversive Antifa agent fighting for America from within DHS.
Nice car, a V8 from the Sixties, no doubt.
Blue skies. Nothing but blue skies.
I wonder if those berries nearby are poisonous.
Is that Hawaii, Clearwater Florida, or Galveston Texas?
Wait, is that a tsunami?!
This is a secret subtle subliminal message (global warming is real) from a subversive Antifa agent fighting for America from within DHS.
According to the thread it's by Japanese artist Hiroshi Nagai, probably used without permission.
Thanks for the pointer; I'm enjoying a browse now.
Impender Beach by Hiroshi Nagai... His works appear digitally duplicated everywhere, based on my DDG search results.
I offically surrender my fantasy of a secret Antifa agent within DHS. I also note abashedly that, with this new context, the picture doesn't portray a tsunami, but only a nice set of gnarly pipelines. Cowabunga!
Impender Beach by Hiroshi Nagai... His works appear digitally duplicated everywhere, based on my DDG search results.
I offically surrender my fantasy of a secret Antifa agent within DHS. I also note abashedly that, with this new context, the picture doesn't portray a tsunami, but only a nice set of gnarly pipelines. Cowabunga!