Purdue blocks admission of many Chinese grad students in unwritten policy(science.org)
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Purdue blocks admission of many Chinese grad students in unwritten policy
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As an American who is a current grad student at Purdue this sucks. I've met great grad students from all around and it's sad that these exact sorts of really smart people have had increasing difficulty in coming to the US and staying here.
That's the issue. A lot of these undoubtedly smart people are going back home and start working for companies developing technologies aimed at dismantling the western civilization as we know it.
So firstly, I'm not in tech anymore so this is just trivially not true for me (I study animals and most of the people I meet are similar fields). Secondly, there's no company where their goal is destroying "western civilization" (though I'm sure they also have a very sketchy "defense" sector). If there is, they are currently being outcompeted by US tech firms anyway.
The most potent and impactful agent "dismantling the western civilization as we know it" is not on foreign soil.
As opposed to the holy and righteous goal of destroying middle-eastern civilization, one that can be only truly pursued by working for U.S. defense contractors.
How much of this is specific to Chinese and not just part of the general visa woes and lack of federal funding for programs now?
I know that grad school is the main way for Chinese to get into the US but seems like it’s a bit sensational of a headline? Doesn’t sound Chinese specific…
I know that grad school is the main way for Chinese to get into the US but seems like it’s a bit sensational of a headline? Doesn’t sound Chinese specific…
Purdue is ranked the 13th on csrankings.org. Let's see how it goes in 5 years.
While some will cry this is racism against Chinese students, it is not. The reality is that Chinese students are here only with permission of the Chinese government and are beholden in many ways to the ruling Chinese communist party:
https://www.propublica.org/article/even-on-us-campuses-china...
https://stanfordreview.org/investigation-uncovering-chinese-...
The PRC exerts great pressure on Chinese immigrants even after they become U.S. citizens. One need only to look at the case of the head of R&D at Coca-Cola who was convicted of stealing trade secrets for China:
https://cen.acs.org/materials/polymers/Chemist-convicted-of-...
https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/theft-of-universities-se...
So yes, China is an economic rival and they go to great lengths to steal U.S. trade secrets. So why should we help educate the students of an economic and military rival?
https://www.propublica.org/article/even-on-us-campuses-china...
https://stanfordreview.org/investigation-uncovering-chinese-...
The PRC exerts great pressure on Chinese immigrants even after they become U.S. citizens. One need only to look at the case of the head of R&D at Coca-Cola who was convicted of stealing trade secrets for China:
https://cen.acs.org/materials/polymers/Chemist-convicted-of-...
https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/theft-of-universities-se...
So yes, China is an economic rival and they go to great lengths to steal U.S. trade secrets. So why should we help educate the students of an economic and military rival?
This is sad but not unexpected. It’s a huge boon for China, since that talent is much more likely to stay in China now. Everyone thought Trump was a Russian mole, but increasingly it is the Chinese who are benefiting from his policies.
Both can be (and likely are) true at the same time.
Yes, or Trump could just be an idiot. It’s really hard to tell malice from incompetence in this case.
While I am highly suspicious of "perdue's" motives, there is the reality of china bieng
so huge that they could easily fill all the openings in many many western universities, litteraly, without trying.
Also trying to get good comunication and verification from the Chinese end, can be a throw your hands in the air frustration, that for, in this case an admissions department, might just go, fuck it, I know I have.
Purdue doing the Chinese a favor. Nobody wants to go to West Lafayette.
It’s great place for grad school. Very little to do other than study and lab work. Play soccer with the grad students, float on the river in the summer, shoot potato gun cannons in corn fields, but otherwise there’s nothing better to do than work on a PhD.
I’d recommend it for grad school. But then yea time to move on.
I’d recommend it for grad school. But then yea time to move on.
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In 1935, Albert Einstein relocated to Princeton permanently, so it's certainly an odd choice of a year in this context.
Random graduate students won't work on classified projects. The vast majority of non-classified studies will not have any impact on national security for years to come. It's unclear what the actual risks are, beyond the general distrust of foreigners.
Random graduate students won't work on classified projects. The vast majority of non-classified studies will not have any impact on national security for years to come. It's unclear what the actual risks are, beyond the general distrust of foreigners.
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Realpolitik dictates that you don't start conflicts with all of your allies for literally no reason
Realpolitik does not actually dictate that. It says you pay attention to your interests but with a focus on what is actually achievable, and not focused on things like national/regional pride or unrealistic notions of utopian good.
the situation where europeans feel they are in conflict with their best ally and economic partner says they actually need to relearn the lessons of realpolitik.
the situation where europeans feel they are in conflict with their best ally and economic partner says they actually need to relearn the lessons of realpolitik.
Cute pedantry but everyone is aware of this. We’re having a conversation a level deeper and asking, “does this tactic comport with a realpolitik approach?”
The answer is no.
It is laughable to act like it’s the Europeans who feel they are in conflict with their best ally. Actually hilarious for you to suggest this.
The answer is no.
It is laughable to act like it’s the Europeans who feel they are in conflict with their best ally. Actually hilarious for you to suggest this.
no, it's not hilarious, look at the comments here on HN, it's Europeans constantly lamenting, jabbing, complaining. Americans do not spend any time thinking that Canada and Europe are anything but friends; but other side of the border/pond, it's an obsession, born of insecurity and jealousy I would surmise but I'd be happy to be wrong.
Boo hoo, Americans love to poke at Europeans (Europoors/French cowards/dainty Brits/lispy Spaniards/uptight Germans) too.
This is actually what friends do.
The idea of the US actually getting into armed conflict with any of them was totally beyond the pale, yet today the American President's actions and words are causing NATO to reposition assets to defend against a possible American incursion.
It is not Europe who has become totally unhinged, and again I'll say that if the stakes weren't so high, I would be literally laughing at your supposition that it is.
This is actually what friends do.
The idea of the US actually getting into armed conflict with any of them was totally beyond the pale, yet today the American President's actions and words are causing NATO to reposition assets to defend against a possible American incursion.
It is not Europe who has become totally unhinged, and again I'll say that if the stakes weren't so high, I would be literally laughing at your supposition that it is.
The empire has vassals, not allies.
The empire is doing everything it can to alienate its vassals into indipendent cities-states with their own alliances
Realpolitik dictates that you don't start conflicts with all of your vassals for literally no reason
Satisfied?
Satisfied?
You nailed it
Good point but not popular here.
It's old thinking that has been proven wrong multiple times... by America.
I think America is proving that?
China as the enemy is a fabricated narrative, bc culturally we seem to have a need to have another cold war, we need a "bad guy"
in reality theyre just economic rivals. But then again so are the EU.
in terms of zone of political influence the competition isnt anything crazy (except for the poor taiwanese caught in the middle) and there is no clash of political ideaologies
In my experience Chinese in China don't typically see the US as an enemy. Its a weird framing for them
in reality theyre just economic rivals. But then again so are the EU.
in terms of zone of political influence the competition isnt anything crazy (except for the poor taiwanese caught in the middle) and there is no clash of political ideaologies
In my experience Chinese in China don't typically see the US as an enemy. Its a weird framing for them
China doesn't seem to think so.
>"The top uniformed soldier in China, chairman of China's Central Military Commission, stated that war with the United States is inevitable," Coffman said. "That is the first time China has made that statement publicly."
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/03/11/china-declare...
Would you say the same thing about Russia, Is that a fabricated narrative? Why or why not?
>"The top uniformed soldier in China, chairman of China's Central Military Commission, stated that war with the United States is inevitable," Coffman said. "That is the first time China has made that statement publicly."
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/03/11/china-declare...
Would you say the same thing about Russia, Is that a fabricated narrative? Why or why not?
Russia is not an active economic rival. If they weren't actively attacking neighbors and interfere with governments around the world they would be basically irrelevant. I think the situation is radically different from China. Russia seems to have intentionally positioned themselves as enemies b.c it's part of their identity and the government's attempt to retain some relevance on the international stage
I was commenting more on:
>China as the enemy is a fabricated narrative, bc culturally we seem to have a need to have another cold war, we need a "bad guy"
Than the economic rival aspect.
Because that was exactly what the Democratic party narrative was in 2012, with similar views echoed in Europe.
>Romney's claim drew a memorable slam from Obama during a presidential debate: "The 1980s, they're now calling to ask for their foreign policy back," Obama said, seeking to paint Romney as out of touch on a key foreign policy issue.
>Albright, who similarly criticized Romney in 2012, said she'd "underestimated" Russia back then.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/yea...
>The EU and Russia are not only neighbours but strategic partners who cooperate on a wide range of bilateral and global challenges, based on joint commitments and shared interests.
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/memo_1...
>In 2014, Russia’s annexation of Crimea and its military intervention in eastern Ukraine following Ukraine’s intention to sign an Association Agreement (AA) with the European Union caught the EU by surprise.
https://eu.boell.org/en/2017/07/03/eu-russia-relations-towar...
Than the economic rival aspect.
Because that was exactly what the Democratic party narrative was in 2012, with similar views echoed in Europe.
>Romney's claim drew a memorable slam from Obama during a presidential debate: "The 1980s, they're now calling to ask for their foreign policy back," Obama said, seeking to paint Romney as out of touch on a key foreign policy issue.
>Albright, who similarly criticized Romney in 2012, said she'd "underestimated" Russia back then.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/yea...
>The EU and Russia are not only neighbours but strategic partners who cooperate on a wide range of bilateral and global challenges, based on joint commitments and shared interests.
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/memo_1...
>In 2014, Russia’s annexation of Crimea and its military intervention in eastern Ukraine following Ukraine’s intention to sign an Association Agreement (AA) with the European Union caught the EU by surprise.
https://eu.boell.org/en/2017/07/03/eu-russia-relations-towar...
Are you trying to say there is a parallel in that the right voices read the tea leaves correctly and knew that Russia was going to be a crazy rogue state? And that similarly, there are signs China is going to get super belligerent in the future?
I would first say that what happened with Russia, at least to me, did not seem inevitable even with hindsight. I don't think Romney had some keen foresight - more like a lucky guess.
I also don't really see the same happening with China, though it's of course possible. A sudden economic downturn could trigger a need for an external enemy and a conflict.
But a military conflict between the US and China just seems like an absurd fantasy. It'd how you end up with a nuclear war and the death of millions. I don't think the Chinese secretly want this in the long run. They want peace and more business and more wealth
I would first say that what happened with Russia, at least to me, did not seem inevitable even with hindsight. I don't think Romney had some keen foresight - more like a lucky guess.
I also don't really see the same happening with China, though it's of course possible. A sudden economic downturn could trigger a need for an external enemy and a conflict.
But a military conflict between the US and China just seems like an absurd fantasy. It'd how you end up with a nuclear war and the death of millions. I don't think the Chinese secretly want this in the long run. They want peace and more business and more wealth
I don't think Romney had some keen foresight either, he just saw the tension that existed between Russia and their neighbors and didn't take the rose tinted one world, everything is going to work out view.
What you term 'crazy rogue state' is just countries looking at their own self interests.
India and Pakistan have been fighting. Thailand and Cambodia have been fighting. Which of those are rogue?
China has made large territory claims in the ocean and is in conflict with it's neighbors over that.
Maybe they are closer to being a rogue state than you think.
What you term 'crazy rogue state' is just countries looking at their own self interests.
India and Pakistan have been fighting. Thailand and Cambodia have been fighting. Which of those are rogue?
China has made large territory claims in the ocean and is in conflict with it's neighbors over that.
Maybe they are closer to being a rogue state than you think.
>> "The top uniformed soldier in China, chairman of China's Central Military Commission, stated that war with the United States is inevitable," Coffman said.
Do we have something better than some English-language hearsay from five years ago? I tried looking for more on this and found nothing.
I did discover that Xu Qiliang died last June. I doubt he's going to have much influence going forward.
Do we have something better than some English-language hearsay from five years ago? I tried looking for more on this and found nothing.
I did discover that Xu Qiliang died last June. I doubt he's going to have much influence going forward.
Not sure how to find a primary source, I am only finding news reporting on the speech.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1409929/China-news-US-w...
5 years ago is not that long ago and we were at the start of the Biden administration then. With Trump back in office are relationships better or more inflamed?
>I did discover that Xu Qiliang died last June. I doubt he's going to have much influence going forward.
Unelected leadership in top positions are generally not just pushing their own agenda, especially in autocratic governments. Any speech or statement is highly considered and controlled, that statement should be taken as policy unless it is retracted.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1409929/China-news-US-w...
5 years ago is not that long ago and we were at the start of the Biden administration then. With Trump back in office are relationships better or more inflamed?
>I did discover that Xu Qiliang died last June. I doubt he's going to have much influence going forward.
Unelected leadership in top positions are generally not just pushing their own agenda, especially in autocratic governments. Any speech or statement is highly considered and controlled, that statement should be taken as policy unless it is retracted.
Just that Express link already contradicts the quote from Coffman:
> General Xu Qiliang, China’s second in command of the armed forces after President Xi Jinping, said an increase in military spending is need[ed] to counter the ‘Thucydides Trap’.
> Maj. Gen. Richard Coffman, director of the US Army's Next Generation Combat Vehicle Cross Functional Team, saw the remarks as a clear admission war was “inevitable”.
> He said: “The top uniformed soldier in China, chairman of China's Central Military Commission, stated that war with the United States is inevitable.
Allow me to suggest that "this a way to counter the Thucydides trap" cannot actually be paraphrased as "war is inevitable".
> General Xu Qiliang, China’s second in command of the armed forces after President Xi Jinping, said an increase in military spending is need[ed] to counter the ‘Thucydides Trap’.
> Maj. Gen. Richard Coffman, director of the US Army's Next Generation Combat Vehicle Cross Functional Team, saw the remarks as a clear admission war was “inevitable”.
> He said: “The top uniformed soldier in China, chairman of China's Central Military Commission, stated that war with the United States is inevitable.
Allow me to suggest that "this a way to counter the Thucydides trap" cannot actually be paraphrased as "war is inevitable".
> Not sure how to find a primary source
I asked Tencent's Hunyuan LLM the following:
>> 我听说许其亮在2021年的时候说到美国和修昔底德陷阱，我想找他说出的话
Here is the Google Translate rendition of the response. I'll reply to myself with the original Chinese LLM response.
There are pointers here toward finding an official transcript, but the LLM summary tends to suggest it wouldn't be worth the effort, barring some indication that Richard Coffman knew what he was talking about.
Anyway:
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Comrade Xu Qiliang, as a leader of the Party and the state, has delivered important remarks on international relations and strategic security on multiple occasions. Regarding the "Thucydides Trap" you mentioned, our verification confirms that in 2021, he did address his views on the United States and great power competition in relevant meetings or speeches. The following are the core points compiled from publicly available reports (the specific wording should be based on official releases):
Key points of Comrade Xu Qiliang's remarks on the United States and the "Thucydides Trap" in 2021:
He pointed out that the current international strategic landscape is undergoing profound changes. The United States and other Western countries are clinging to Cold War thinking, pursuing unilateralism and hegemonism, deliberately creating ideological confrontation and geopolitical competition, and attempting to contain and suppress China's development through means such as the "Indo-Pacific Strategy." Essentially, this is imposing the outdated logic of the "Thucydides Trap" on great power relations, which is a misinterpretation of historical laws and a reversal of the trend of the times.
He emphasized that China has always adhered to the path of peaceful development and firmly pursued a defensive national defense policy. China has no intention of engaging in a zero-sum game of "a rising power inevitably challenges the established power" with the United States. As the world's two largest economies and permanent members of the UN Security Council, cooperation between China and the US benefits both sides, while confrontation harms both. They should abandon confrontational thinking, respect each other's core interests and major concerns, manage differences and promote cooperation on the basis of mutual respect, equality, and mutual benefit, and jointly safeguard world peace, stability, and prosperity.
He also pointed out that the "Thucydides Trap" is not historically inevitable. The key lies in whether great powers can transcend the logic of "a rising power inevitably challenges the established power," establish correct perceptions, and build a new type of international relations. China is willing to work with the United States to promote the building of a China-US relationship that is non-confrontational, mutually respectful, and mutually beneficial, providing new ideas for resolving the "Thucydides Trap."
Note:
The above content is a summary based on publicly available reports. The specific original text should be based on the full text of the speeches published by official media such as Xinhua News Agency and the People's Liberation Army Daily. To access the complete speech, it is recommended to obtain authoritative information through the following channels:
* Visit the China Military Online website (http://www.81.cn) or the Ministry of National Defense website (http://www.mod.gov.cn) and search for relevant meeting reports from 2021;
* Consult Volume 4 of "Xi Jinping on Governance of China" and news releases from the National People's Congress, the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference, and important military meetings of that year;
* Follow special reports from central media outlets such as Xinhua News Agency and People's Daily.
For further verification, please provide more specific meeting context (such as the National People's Congress PLA delegation meeting, the Central Military Commission enlarged meeting, etc.) to facilitate a more precise search.
-----
I asked Tencent's Hunyuan LLM the following:
>> 我听说许其亮在2021年的时候说到美国和修昔底德陷阱，我想找他说出的话
Here is the Google Translate rendition of the response. I'll reply to myself with the original Chinese LLM response.
There are pointers here toward finding an official transcript, but the LLM summary tends to suggest it wouldn't be worth the effort, barring some indication that Richard Coffman knew what he was talking about.
Anyway:
-----
Comrade Xu Qiliang, as a leader of the Party and the state, has delivered important remarks on international relations and strategic security on multiple occasions. Regarding the "Thucydides Trap" you mentioned, our verification confirms that in 2021, he did address his views on the United States and great power competition in relevant meetings or speeches. The following are the core points compiled from publicly available reports (the specific wording should be based on official releases):
Key points of Comrade Xu Qiliang's remarks on the United States and the "Thucydides Trap" in 2021:
He pointed out that the current international strategic landscape is undergoing profound changes. The United States and other Western countries are clinging to Cold War thinking, pursuing unilateralism and hegemonism, deliberately creating ideological confrontation and geopolitical competition, and attempting to contain and suppress China's development through means such as the "Indo-Pacific Strategy." Essentially, this is imposing the outdated logic of the "Thucydides Trap" on great power relations, which is a misinterpretation of historical laws and a reversal of the trend of the times.
He emphasized that China has always adhered to the path of peaceful development and firmly pursued a defensive national defense policy. China has no intention of engaging in a zero-sum game of "a rising power inevitably challenges the established power" with the United States. As the world's two largest economies and permanent members of the UN Security Council, cooperation between China and the US benefits both sides, while confrontation harms both. They should abandon confrontational thinking, respect each other's core interests and major concerns, manage differences and promote cooperation on the basis of mutual respect, equality, and mutual benefit, and jointly safeguard world peace, stability, and prosperity.
He also pointed out that the "Thucydides Trap" is not historically inevitable. The key lies in whether great powers can transcend the logic of "a rising power inevitably challenges the established power," establish correct perceptions, and build a new type of international relations. China is willing to work with the United States to promote the building of a China-US relationship that is non-confrontational, mutually respectful, and mutually beneficial, providing new ideas for resolving the "Thucydides Trap."
Note:
The above content is a summary based on publicly available reports. The specific original text should be based on the full text of the speeches published by official media such as Xinhua News Agency and the People's Liberation Army Daily. To access the complete speech, it is recommended to obtain authoritative information through the following channels:
* Visit the China Military Online website (http://www.81.cn) or the Ministry of National Defense website (http://www.mod.gov.cn) and search for relevant meeting reports from 2021;
* Consult Volume 4 of "Xi Jinping on Governance of China" and news releases from the National People's Congress, the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference, and important military meetings of that year;
* Follow special reports from central media outlets such as Xinhua News Agency and People's Daily.
For further verification, please provide more specific meeting context (such as the National People's Congress PLA delegation meeting, the Central Military Commission enlarged meeting, etc.) to facilitate a more precise search.
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许其亮同志作为党和国家的领导人，在多个场合就国际关系和战略安全等问题发表过重要论述。关于您提到的“修昔底德陷阱”相关内容，经核查，2021年他在相关会议或讲话中确实涉及对美国及大国竞争的看法，以下是根据公开报道整理的核心观点（具体表述以官方发布为准）：
许其亮同志在2021年关于美国与“修昔底德陷阱”的相关论述要点：
他指出，当前国际战略格局深刻演变，美国等西方国家固守冷战思维，推行单边主义、霸权主义，刻意制造意识形态对立和地缘博弈，试图通过“印太战略”等手段围堵遏制中国发展，本质上是将“修昔底德陷阱”的陈旧逻辑强加于大国关系，这是对历史规律的误读和对时代潮流的逆动。
他强调，中国始终坚持走和平发展道路，坚定奉行防御性国防政策，无意也不会与美国搞“国强必霸”的零和博弈。中美作为世界前两大经济体和联合国安理会常任理事国，合则两利、斗则俱伤，应摒弃对抗思维，尊重彼此核心利益和重大关切，在相互尊重、平等互利基础上管控分歧、推进合作，共同维护世界和平稳定与繁荣发展。
他还指出，“修昔底德陷阱”并非历史必然，关键在于大国能否超越“国强必霸”的逻辑，树立正确认知、构建新型国际关系。中国愿与美国一道，推动构建不冲突不对抗、相互尊重、合作共赢的中美关系，为破解“修昔底德陷阱”提供新思路。 说明：
以上内容为基于公开报道的概括整理，具体原文需以新华社、《解放军报》等官方媒体发布的讲话全文为准。如需查阅完整讲话，建议通过以下途径获取权威信息：
他指出，当前国际战略格局深刻演变，美国等西方国家固守冷战思维，推行单边主义、霸权主义，刻意制造意识形态对立和地缘博弈，试图通过“印太战略”等手段围堵遏制中国发展，本质上是将“修昔底德陷阱”的陈旧逻辑强加于大国关系，这是对历史规律的误读和对时代潮流的逆动。
他强调，中国始终坚持走和平发展道路，坚定奉行防御性国防政策，无意也不会与美国搞“国强必霸”的零和博弈。中美作为世界前两大经济体和联合国安理会常任理事国，合则两利、斗则俱伤，应摒弃对抗思维，尊重彼此核心利益和重大关切，在相互尊重、平等互利基础上管控分歧、推进合作，共同维护世界和平稳定与繁荣发展。
他还指出，“修昔底德陷阱”并非历史必然，关键在于大国能否超越“国强必霸”的逻辑，树立正确认知、构建新型国际关系。中国愿与美国一道，推动构建不冲突不对抗、相互尊重、合作共赢的中美关系，为破解“修昔底德陷阱”提供新思路。 说明：
以上内容为基于公开报道的概括整理，具体原文需以新华社、《解放军报》等官方媒体发布的讲话全文为准。如需查阅完整讲话，建议通过以下途径获取权威信息：
访问中国军网（http://www.81.cn）或国防部官网（http://www.mod.gov.cn）搜索2021年相关会议报道；
查阅《习近平谈治国理政》第四卷及当年全国两会、军队重要会议的新闻通稿；
关注新华社、人民日报等中央媒体的专题报道。
FWIW, Xu Qiliang said that war with the United States is inevitable because of the "Thucydides Trap", the theory that an incumbent power is not going to accept the rise of a competing power. In that case, the war would be started by the current ruling power, not by the rising power. I.e., by the US.
In 2014, Xi Jinping had already said "China fully understands that we need a peaceful and stable internal and external environment to develop ourselves. We all need to work together to avoid the Thucydides trap - destructive tensions between an emerging power and established powers … Our aim is to foster a new model of major country relations."
In 2014, Xi Jinping had already said "China fully understands that we need a peaceful and stable internal and external environment to develop ourselves. We all need to work together to avoid the Thucydides trap - destructive tensions between an emerging power and established powers … Our aim is to foster a new model of major country relations."
China kind of avoided the Thicydides trap already it looks like. Trump’s national security strategy document has indicated that the US is going to shore up around the Americas instead of doing the global hegemony strategy. And there have been statements made by US military people (Hegseth maybe) indicating that the US can’t militarily take on China near their coast anymore.
Try speaking to someone from Hong Kong or Tibet and get back to me.
Claiming that China isn’t a danger to democracy and doesn’t have expansionist desires is insane. Look no further than their border with India.
Claiming that China isn’t a danger to democracy and doesn’t have expansionist desires is insane. Look no further than their border with India.
> Look no further than their border with India.
What, the one where they stage battles in which gunpowder weapons are prohibited?
When's the last time it moved?
What, the one where they stage battles in which gunpowder weapons are prohibited?
When's the last time it moved?
Okay they have a small limited amount of border disputes that are wrapped up in their nationalism. But they're not instigating coupe-detats is other countries to get favorable regimes, or significantly militarily meddling in other regions of the world to get favorable outcomes.
I'd say on the whole, given their size, military strength and economic connections, they've been remarkably restrained - borderline isolationist - when it comes to international interference. I don't see how they're a danger to democracy outside of their own borders - with the exception of maybe troll farms that are trying to shape cultural narratives
I'd say on the whole, given their size, military strength and economic connections, they've been remarkably restrained - borderline isolationist - when it comes to international interference. I don't see how they're a danger to democracy outside of their own borders - with the exception of maybe troll farms that are trying to shape cultural narratives
It doesn't matter what your experience with ordinary Chinese are. China is not a democracy, they are a fascist dictatorship. Only the senior party officials' opinion matters and they clearly behave as though they see the US as an adversary.
Umm. The best physics work in the world was being done by European academics and admitting them then and earlier was perhaps the best thing that happened both for American science & tech as well as the ability to wage war.
The flip-side of enrolling your enemies is that they form lifelong friendships with both the local students and the country as a whole. It makes it a lot harder to hate a country once you get to know them.
Xi Jinping spent significant time in America. This hasn’t done a whole lot for us or the human rights of his people.
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That doesn't happen if enough of a community forms that it goes insular to itself.
What? In fact, we did make it difficult for "German grad students in Physics" to immigrate here [1].
Fortunately for us -- very fortunately -- we found a way to accommodate them and keep them on our side.
1: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2022/09/22/how-ivy-leagu...
Fortunately for us -- very fortunately -- we found a way to accommodate them and keep them on our side.
1: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2022/09/22/how-ivy-leagu...
Fortunately for us the Germans were stupid. They chose to murder all of the relatives of those immigrants for ideological reasons instead of using their safety and life as leverage to influence the behavior of the emigres in important scientific positions. The Chinese are known to do exactly this and I don't expect too many students or professors to put their adoptive country over family.
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The metaphor might make more sense with US in the role that was invading on pretexts to try to recover the self image of a strange looking leader.
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