Car Owners Are Revolting over Tesla's Self-Driving Promises(wsj.com)
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Car Owners Are Revolting over Tesla's Self-Driving Promises
https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/car-owners-are-revolting-over-teslas-self-driving-promises-b76edcdd
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I ride in my friends Model Y Performance occasionally and the FSD thoroughly impresses me. I don't understand what the complaints are. It goes from start to end without any intervention the vast majority of the time. Any interventions still needed are pretty few and momentary at this point.
I'm in a HW3 vehicle, so this may be different as it appears Tesla is done trying to develop for HW3.
But, my observation is that 99% of the time, it does just as you say. It will fairly reliably take you from point A to B. However, there's that nagging 1% where the car tries to kill you in stupendous ways. It doesn't happen most trips and you have to react quick when it happens.
For example, I've had the car not identify another vehicle and pull out in front of it (forcing me to hammer the accelerator). I've had it try and rapidly switch lanes ultimately cutting off people (I have it set to "chill" driving). I've had it not realize when lanes end or that it's in a turn only lane, forcing me to intervene and take the only legal move.
For Highway/interstate driving, it's pretty flawless now. For city driving, I'm definitely a lot more on guard.
But, my observation is that 99% of the time, it does just as you say. It will fairly reliably take you from point A to B. However, there's that nagging 1% where the car tries to kill you in stupendous ways. It doesn't happen most trips and you have to react quick when it happens.
For example, I've had the car not identify another vehicle and pull out in front of it (forcing me to hammer the accelerator). I've had it try and rapidly switch lanes ultimately cutting off people (I have it set to "chill" driving). I've had it not realize when lanes end or that it's in a turn only lane, forcing me to intervene and take the only legal move.
For Highway/interstate driving, it's pretty flawless now. For city driving, I'm definitely a lot more on guard.
> forcing me to hammer the accelerator
Can’t think of any reason that might be a problematic hair-trigger response for a driver.
Can’t think of any reason that might be a problematic hair-trigger response for a driver.
>Can’t think of any reason that might be a problematic hair-trigger response for a driver.
It wasn't a knee jerk response. It was a response he had on tap based upon level of situational awareness. The car pulled out poorly but he had been keeping enough of an eye on it that it that he was ready to intervene and just a "haha imma cut you off and then flor it because EV rocketship" asshole move rather than a near accident. No different than keeping tabs on something in your mirrors so you're ready if it develops in a particular way that causes you to want to take action. Or being ready to lane change as you approach a light in case the person in front of you decides at the last minute they want to turn there.
If "brake pedal is magic button that makes all situations better" drivers drove on his level everyone's commute would be better.
It wasn't a knee jerk response. It was a response he had on tap based upon level of situational awareness. The car pulled out poorly but he had been keeping enough of an eye on it that it that he was ready to intervene and just a "haha imma cut you off and then flor it because EV rocketship" asshole move rather than a near accident. No different than keeping tabs on something in your mirrors so you're ready if it develops in a particular way that causes you to want to take action. Or being ready to lane change as you approach a light in case the person in front of you decides at the last minute they want to turn there.
If "brake pedal is magic button that makes all situations better" drivers drove on his level everyone's commute would be better.
Yeah, my friend's is a HW4.5 vehicle apparently and on FSD v14.3.x
I think the complaint is the people in the lawsuit were promised FSD and they aren't getting it.
I don't plan on using Full Self Driving features until I have to in an emergency, or until they take the steering wheel away.
BUT!
Last week, I had visitors and they let their Model Y Tesla (2023, I think) do the driving for their entire trip - from driving for many hours to visit me, to driving around all the different sights where I live, and, I'm assuming, driving back home. It was all full self-driving.
I got to sit in the passenger seat a few times. The thing drove beautifully. Parked without an issue, changed lanes, overtook other cars, etc... drove even better than the person at the wheel would have had the feature not been available!
BUT!
Last week, I had visitors and they let their Model Y Tesla (2023, I think) do the driving for their entire trip - from driving for many hours to visit me, to driving around all the different sights where I live, and, I'm assuming, driving back home. It was all full self-driving.
I got to sit in the passenger seat a few times. The thing drove beautifully. Parked without an issue, changed lanes, overtook other cars, etc... drove even better than the person at the wheel would have had the feature not been available!
> LoSavio won class-action status for his lawsuit in September. The class represents approximately 3,000 people in California, a figure that excludes the many Tesla owners who have signed arbitration agreements with the company that prevent them from suing.
The important part.
The important part.
Related:
Tesla tells HW3 owner to 'be patient' after 7 years of waiting for FSD
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47809347
Tesla tells HW3 owner to 'be patient' after 7 years of waiting for FSD
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47809347
I am not revolting; I shower everyday. Related story without paywall: https://www.edgen.tech/news/post/tesla-faces-growing-backlas...
I read the title the same way. Using "rebelling" would have been much clearer.
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