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CloudYeller
·3 anni fa·discuss
What would happen if that part was removed and 100 years from now, another group tried to claim Israel as their self-determined government?

Every time Jewish people try to be a peaceful minority inside someone else's society, they face discrimination, exile, or pogroms. And it just happens that many government leaders of neighboring countries have repeatedly declared their intention (or heck, literally tried) to mass murder them.
CloudYeller
·3 anni fa·discuss
You're right, destroying Israel Hamas-style (as described in https://news.yahoo.com/hamas-member-says-repeat-attacks-0656...) is different from killing Jews. One involves Hamas re-committing the unspeakable monstrosities of Oct 7th again and again, and another is just regular murder.

Congrats on writing the most ignorantly hateful comment I've ever seen on HN.
CloudYeller
·3 anni fa·discuss
Have you even read the actual legal text [1] for the Nation-State law? It basically just says that Israel will always retain certain elements of Jewish culture such as the flag, anthem, holidays, and official language. No one is preventing non-Jews from partaking in those cultural artifacts, just like how no one is preventing Mexican Americans from celebrating the 4th of July and no one prevents them from speaking Spanish.

Is every country now required to sing Kumbaya and officially honor every major culture within a 1000km radius? Can they not officially declare that certain cultural things are more important to them than others?

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Law:_Israel_as_the_Nat...
CloudYeller
·3 anni fa·discuss
TIL. But even if you count nationality-based mistreatment as apartheid, Israel contains many Palestinians: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_citizens_of_Isra...

To be fair, Israel was doing some bad stuff to them within its borders in the 1960s but "In 1966, martial law was lifted completely, and the government set about dismantling most of the discriminatory laws, while Arab citizens were granted the same rights as Jewish citizens under law".

It seems like the main issue today is treating people differently based on whether they currently live on the other side of a national border. Ex: apparently marriage to an Israeli is no longer a path to Israeli citizenship for Palestinians residing outside Israel- https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-knesset-pa...

But many, if not most, countries have policies that similarly punish people outside their borders so I don't see how that is particularly damning for Israel.
CloudYeller
·3 anni fa·discuss
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_...

https://news.yahoo.com/hamas-member-says-repeat-attacks-0656...
CloudYeller
·3 anni fa·discuss
There's also their senior official saying they will essentially repeat the Oct 7 attack until Israel is completely destroyed

https://news.yahoo.com/hamas-member-says-repeat-attacks-0656...
CloudYeller
·3 anni fa·discuss
It was removed from their 2017 charter but they still do "pay for slay"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_...
CloudYeller
·3 anni fa·discuss
I dislike repeating myself but once again, per Wikipedia, apartheid is a "system of institutionalised racial segregation".

That Amnesty article contradicts that definition. It's talking about mistreating people in East Jerusalem, aka The West Bank, which again, is not part of Israel, has its own government, etc. And what is the primary race of those people in the West Bank? Arab. And Arabs comprise how much of the Israeli population? Around 20%. And are those Israeli Arabs being systemically mistreated, as though by apartheid? If they are, then this "apartheid" not only directly opposes Israel's declaration of independence, but it's a strange type of Apartheid that is highly supportive of Arabs becoming doctors at roughly double the expected rate per capita in Israel.

Yes, Israel is treating people differently, but it's not based on skin color or race. It's based on whether they live inside its national borders.

This is a complex and nuanced situation but please try to understand that it's dangerous to unilaterally redefine words the way that Amnesty does in that article. There's a huge difference between widespread systemic racism and some bad apples illegally occupying land outside a nation's borders.
CloudYeller
·3 anni fa·discuss
TBF- Mosiuoa Lekota, who literally went to jail with Nelson Mandela, should probably be listened to more than the random journalist you cited.

I read the article though and it basically is saying that right wing extremism in Israel is doing some things reminiscent of Apartheid South Africa. That doesn't sound systemic - more like a warning that people need to stand up to the right wing extremism is Israel. Fair point. But definitely does not lend credence to the claim that there is widespread systemic Apartheid.
CloudYeller
·3 anni fa·discuss
I disagree on the apartheid claim and so does former anti-apartheid activist and South African politician Mosiuoa Lekota [1].

Per Wikipedia, Apartheid is a "system of institutionalised racial segregation", and Israel's citizens include many Arab Muslims and even Palestinians, all of whom have equal rights. Israel's declaration of independence explicitly supported "equality...without distinction of race, creed, or sex" [2]. Arabs are 20% of the Israeli population and yet they are 40% of doctors [3].

The West bank and Gaza are basically separate countries with their own governments. The extremist Israeli settlers should leave those areas since they are not part of Israel, but I am just stating disagreement with the "apartheid" label. The concept of systemic Apartheid is unrelated to a few bad apples occupying and illegally settling in areas outside their national borders.

[1] https://thesouthafrican.net/2023/09/28/israel-is-not-an-apar...

[2] https://www.jta.org/archive/full-text-of-israels-proclamatio...

[3] https://www.israel21c.org/the-small-israeli-village-where-ev...
CloudYeller
·3 anni fa·discuss
Separate world: definitely. I remember a random real estate agent inviting my friend to a party and saying "bring your good looking friends" while giving me the stink eye from a distance. I have an older neighbor who is tall and handsome, and his wife was saying how, when they were younger, women would walk past him then turn around and make some excuse to talk to him.

I can't believe how much I deluded myself when I was younger about the nature of social hierarchies. There was some research (can't find it now) about childhood aggression showing how, if a kid is better looking, then aggression actually improves their social standing, while if the kid was not good looking, the opposite happens.
CloudYeller
·3 anni fa·discuss
I had a manager who was obsessed with "velocity" and I spent 4 hours per week on time estimates. None of it was accurate except tasks like tiny CSS changes. Yeah, if you want to reduce morale, force everyone to waste half a day per week on pointless BS.
CloudYeller
·4 anni fa·discuss
I think multiple inheritance will always scare me. What order do the superclass inits run in? What happens if they do conflicting things? What if some superclasses call super().__init__ and others don't?

No thanks, I'll suffer through reading a few additional lines of:

class SomeBusinessyThing:

  def __init__(self, util, other_util):
    self._util = util
    self._other_util = other_util

  @classmethod
  def create(cls):
    return cls(util_module.Util(), other_module.Other())

  def calculate(self):
    source = self_other_util.get_source()
    return self._util.get_stuff(source)
vs

class SomeBusinessyThing(Utils, Other):

  def __init__(self, \*kwargs):
    # What does this do? No one knows
    super().__init__(self, \*kwargs)

  def calculate(self):
    source = self.get_source()
    return self.get_stuff(source)
CloudYeller
·4 anni fa·discuss
I bet humans could have done a lot better than -$881M, and it wouldn't have been very costly to employ them. How many homes did Zillow iBuy in total, 10-20k? If it takes 5 minutes to evaluate a house, that would be 100,000 minutes, which is ~50 people working full time for a week. Spending $100k on that could have saved 100s of millions, plus it might have generated better training data for the model.