Whatever. Expected this since day one. What you call uncivil, I call responding in like fashion.
Why don't you ban the other guy for being an asshole to me by calling my response "useless"? That was extremely fucking rude and it made me angry.
> Please don't create accounts to break the HN guidelines with.
Oh, don't worry about that - I didn't. But I will be back with another account and I'll be sure to be so fucking polite in my responses to assholes like this that you're going to die from the sheer delight of my flowery words.
If Windows implemented a global menu bar like Mac - I'd stop using computers. I hate the global menu bar. It's the worst thing about the Mac operating system IMO.
I am not sure how anybody thinks it's a good idea. Probably about once a week, I go to click on a menu on my Mac only to find out that the menu doesn't even belong to the app window that I was looking at. That's a show stopper to me and I honestly don't understand how anybody thought it was a good idea.
The foundation of the Windows UI is so much more flexible, robust and consistent than Mac. Apple very obviously cares more about style than function. As a matter of fact, I read somewhere that many Apple engineers hated the Dock but marketing loved it so they kept it.
Is it as anecdotal as saying that Macs "just work"? Is it nearly as anecdotal as saying "how hard it is to convince other Windows users"?
> I claimed that it is nearly impossible to convince a die-hard Windows user that perhaps they might be happier overall on a Mac.
No you didn't. You just said "Windows users" and you didn't say anything about being "happier overall", you said that it was hard to convince them that they "just work".
Now you're trying to say that you "never claimed Macs didn't have hardware issues". What do you suppose "just works" means in English?
I guess when you go around spouting off ridiculously broad and obviously incorrect statements such "it just works", you're going to be "misunderstood".
The Surface Book got fixed for good with a firmware update though.
Meanwhile, all of the Mac problems I mentioned are still not fixed and Apple is still quite obviously, ignoring their desktop OS. They've also always hated power users where-as Microsoft caters to them on hand and foot.
hckrnews.com lets you browse the list of submitted stories more easily than news.ycombinator.com.
You can't really be blamed for not knowing that something was on news.ycombinator.com since looking at the list there is slow and painful. To find yesterday's story, I had to scroll down the page and click "More" about 6 or 7 times and on each listing, I had to hit F3 (find) to search for Uber.
This site doesn't even have a proper search function.
So, don't even worry about it because how can anybody expect you to know?
> Microsoft posts a low-quality video attempting to get Hackernews to boot Windows on their Macs so they can have bad implementations of modern Linux tools instead of the bad implementations of outdated Linux tools that ship with MacO's.
Satire is funnier when it's accurate. "bad implementations of modern Linux tools" is incorrect here because the tools are the same binaries that come with Ubuntu.
Riiiiight. That's why you made the argument about React/Reagent/Om when I pressed you about that point. Nice try though!
Anyway, I think I pointed out how wrong you are on just about every other point you made in this thread. Anybody who reads this will certainly see that. So, my work is done here :)
I don't update for every single release like you do I guess. So maybe I have not had any problems that you've had. Ionic does not update right away when angular changes either.
My opinion doesn't really matter though. I use what is popular so that I have plenty of help getting my work done. The only opinion that I've given you of Clojurescript so far is that I don't think it's as popular. Other than that, nobody has told me what is so great about it in this thread or anywhere. So I really don't think that you have any basis to say that my mind is made up about how great that is. You're not selling it at all and you didn't even answer my question about it.
You're not answering any of my questions; you completely ignored them which was kind of rude in my opinion. Where are these great Clojurescript projects?
Anyhow, I use Ionic 2 (which is built on Angular 2) with TypeScript build mobile apps and they are absolutely fantastic to work with. What exactly are you going to ask me about this that is going to change your opinion? You've obviously made up your mind. So, what's the point of talking to you? You're not going to argue, you are just going to keep giving out your opinion which, so far, seems highly caustic and ill-informed.
Sorry that next to nobody is using your favorite language. It's not my problem. TypeScript and Angular definitely have a future and no amount of whining is going to stop it.
I use Mac and Windows every day and I'm certainly comfortable with both of them. Many of my Mac hardware issues have no fix at all though.
The one I mentioned about certain USB mice dying has never been fixed. Another thing that will never ever be fixed is the lack of choice video cards that I can put into the PCIe slot on my Mac Pro. Other problems with PRAM or SMC/sleep have a "fix" but somehow they keep popping up and you have to keep applying the fix. I can tell you honestly that I never have recurring problems on the Windows because things get fixed quite rapidly since Microsoft obviously still cares about Windows.
Anyway, I don't care about Chromebooks or other walled garden devices really. Even if I just wanted something to browse with I would prefer a Windows tablet so I could have some freedom ;)
Are you asking me or are you telling me? I feel like no matter what I say, you are just going to shoot it down anyway because it seems like this particular avenue of thought is completely closed off to you. What do you think I'm going to say? That I don't use them? Not sure what kind of response you are expecting here.
Wow, so is this the official beginning of the age of decentralized cable-companies?
As a cable cutter, one thing I am really looking forward to is the day that I can flip channels again very easily, without having to think about what I am doing.
Well, I don't know where you get the idea that C#/TypeScript/Java/etc are only used in bullshit enterprise projects but you couldn't be more wrong about that. There are plenty of games, mobile apps, hobby projects and other fun things written with these. Take a look around. Twitch.tv has a number of Windows/C#/TypeScript devs that work on games.
Anyway, have you heard of VSCode at all? That's written in TypeScript. So is Ionic 2 and Ionic Native. Those along with Angular 2/4 are all complete platforms written in TypeScript...
So, what have you got besides Reagent/Om? Because those aren't even half as large, popular or even alive as the ones I've mentioned (and React isn't built with Clojure either).
It's hard to convince us because it's not true. As a matter of fact, the opposite is true - hardware certainly doesn't "just work" in Apple's ecosystem and it does just work with Windows.
I use Mac and Windows every day at work. Rarely, if ever, do I have any issues with my Windows hardware but my Mac hardware constantly causes me problems. Just last week I had to take steps to "zap the PRAM" on my 2012 Mac Pro since every USB port died for no reason.
I also have multiple wireless USB mice that work fine on my Macs until I go to the Updates tab of the App Store...at which point they simply stop working. Another problem I have with my Macs is that there is no built-in way to disable an external monitor without unplugging it or powering it down.
Honestly, I've been using Macs since the 90's, I've always had hardware problems with them and when I look around I see others having the same problems - so I know it's not just me. If you search the web you can see millions of others having Mac hardware issues - so I'm not really sure where Apple fans are getting the idea that Mac hardware "just works" because it quite obviously does not.
C# is certainly better than JavaScript in many ways. That's why tons of JavaScript developers and popular projects have now switched to TypeScript, the C# of the web.
Windows is beautiful compared to the Mac OS where the software all looks like it was inspired by a 1970's era stereo unit.
The ugly UI isn't even the worst part about the Mac OS though. The worst part is that it just doesn't even come close to offering the same sort of freedom that you get on Windows where Microsoft leaves hooks in to let developers actually do what they want.
Most of the problems with the Mac OS are by design too. I think it's hilarious that Apple folks think it's a really good idea to hide the label on most buttons. I guess you have to "just know what it is" before clicking it or hover over it and hope for a tooltip to popup tell you what the thing will do. Real efficient.
There's really no wonder in my mind why most people don't use Apple anything.
I feel like I'm in prison or an insane asylum when I have to use my Mac or iOS devices after enjoying the freedom that I have using Windows all day.
I could go very far into detail here and list all of the extremely annoying limitations that I run into, but instead I'll respond to your vague complaints with my own. Apple quite obviously wants absolute control over their device and their software whereas Microsoft lets me to do whatever I want with my computers and my software.
I have to have a Mac to make iOS apps, but as soon as those are no longer a thing I'll toss all my Mac stuff straight into the garbage.
Why don't you ban the other guy for being an asshole to me by calling my response "useless"? That was extremely fucking rude and it made me angry.
> Please don't create accounts to break the HN guidelines with.
Oh, don't worry about that - I didn't. But I will be back with another account and I'll be sure to be so fucking polite in my responses to assholes like this that you're going to die from the sheer delight of my flowery words.