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abm53
·22 giorni fa·discuss
You’re trying to make a logical argument from first principles about a complex, dynamic and ultimately social system that admits no such argument.
abm53
·4 mesi fa·discuss
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abm53
·4 mesi fa·discuss
I wouldn’t say the pessimists fall into that category.

In my experience they are mostly the subset of engineers who enjoyed coding in and of itself and ——in some cases—— without concern for the end product.
abm53
·4 mesi fa·discuss
I think GP was a joke about the ability of a typical programmer.

I certainly read it as one and found it funny.
abm53
·4 mesi fa·discuss
The article doesn’t present any hypotheses regarding this, and I suspect we simply don’t know yet.

But if true presumably it’s one of the usual reasons for observing data with low likelihood according to a model: misspecification or statistical bias/variance.
abm53
·4 mesi fa·discuss
The rebuttal to this would be that you can do many such tasks in parallel.

I’m not sure it’s really true in practice yet, but that would certainly be the claim.
abm53
·5 mesi fa·discuss
I’m unsure exactly in what way you believe it has gone “down the hill” so this isn’t aimed at you specifically but more a general pattern I see.

That pattern is people complaining that a particular model has degraded in quality of its responses over time or that it has been “nerfed” etc.

Although the models may evolve, and the tools calling them may change, I suspect a huge amount of this is simply confirmation bias.
abm53
·5 mesi fa·discuss
> If you're the type of programmer who thinks of yourself as just a programmer, and take pride in your secure code, ability to optimize functions and algorithms, you're exactly the kind of programmer AI will replace.

The most successful engineers are the ones who can accurately assess the trade-offs regarding those things. The things you list still may be critical for many applications and worth obsessing over.

The question becomes can we still achieve the same trade-offs without writing code by hand in those cases.

That’s an open question.
abm53
·5 mesi fa·discuss
More to the point: is randomness of representation or implementation an inherent issue if the desired semantics of a program are still obeyed?

This is not really a point about whether LLMs can currently be used as English compilers, but more questioning whether determinism of the final machine code output is a critical property of a build system.
abm53
·5 mesi fa·discuss
Correct… reading code is a much more difficult and ultimately, productive, task.

I suspect those using the tools in the best way are thinking harder than ever for this reason.
abm53
·6 mesi fa·discuss
My advice: keep it on a tight leash.

In the happy case where I have a good idea of the changes necessary, I will ask it to do small things, step by step, and examine what it does and commit.

In the unhappy case where one is faced with a massive codebase and no idea where to start, I find asking it to just “do the thing” generates slop, but enough for me to use as inspiration for the above.
abm53
·6 mesi fa·discuss
> They are prone to nervous breakdown, social withdrawal, and anxiety if anyone within earshot goes outside of the guard rails for acceptable speech.

I say this with sincerity: I have met precisely zero young people who I think come anywhere close to this description over the last decade.

I’ve seen it in the online world, yes, but this tends to amplify the very very small minority who (on the surface) appear to fit your description. And I see it across all age ranges and political persuasions.
abm53
·8 mesi fa·discuss
I’m trying to figure out if you’re asking a leading question and if so, in which direction…
abm53
·9 mesi fa·discuss
We could make the distinction between price discovery, i.e. what price are people currently willing to buy and sell at (short-term) vs value discovery (long-term).
abm53
·10 mesi fa·discuss
Perhaps the best source would now be the statistics of LLM queries, if they were available.

Edit: I see they raise this point at length themselves in TFA.
abm53
·10 mesi fa·discuss
I’d go further than the other reply: not only do those first two things definitely exist, they probably represent the plurality of programming tasks.
abm53
·10 mesi fa·discuss
I assume the original reply was addressing the “never” in this specific point:

“The fact is most ordinary mortals never get access to a fraction of that kind of power”
abm53
·11 mesi fa·discuss
The most obvious difference (and one worth much more than $10 to me) is that one is native and the other is not.
abm53
·11 mesi fa·discuss
I am also constantly astonished.

That said, observing attempts by skeptics to “unsuccessfully” prompt an LLM have been illuminating.

My reaction is usually either:

- I would never have asked that kind of question in the first place.

- The output you claim is useless looks very useful to me.
abm53
·12 mesi fa·discuss
Perhaps you could fill in a few of the details for us?