Agreed. Though the 20 story apartment building is something I don't see happening tbh. The momentum is definitely here but I don't see it reaching that ideal. As with the highspeed rail it will likely hit some sort of deadlock compromise.
Deregulation has been getting introduced. ADUs have been approved and you can now do something called SB9 which if deployed to the maximum extent allows you to take a single property split it into two parcels and build two duplexes on each parcel.
That 4xs the amount of dwelling spaces per property in theory. But of course the capital and will for a Californian who owns property to go through with it is a different story.
Communication is the least of his problems. I read his post just fine.
It's definitely not the most well written and clear post but it is far away from anything that I would call a "problem". He can definitely shorten his cv, but again this is not a "problem".
The tough market is 100 percent the most likely culprit.
There's a difference between wild speculation and reasonable speculation with high likelihood.
For example. I speculate you are a male and it's highly likely I'm right. The speculation I'm doing here is of the same nature as the speculation for intelligence.
The angle your coming at it from is that any form of opinion other then the opinion that LLMs are stochastic parrots is completely wild speculation. The irony is that you're doing this without realizing your position is in itself speculation.
Speed is not a measure of creativity but it is a critical factor in the generation of evidence.
In that respect it is beating your argument on all counts.
You don't have to provide anything. But it makes your argument weaker if you can't generate better works of creativity from the given prompt.
Let's stick to the dynamic prompt. The point is to choose a prompt that will create works that don't exist. We don't want the LLM or the artist in question copying anything that already exists. Proof of creativity requires an actual live demonstration of it.
Yeah why not challenge you? I assume your average. That's not wierd at all.
If you wouldn't write something as bad as the poem then write something better.
LLMs are taking away from artists simply because in the eyes of consumers they are roughly equivalent if not better. Who's to say your judgement is better then the judgement of consumers of art?
Why not compare algorithms to the average person? It's certainly better then comparing to some off the charts anomaly of a person. What you're not seeing is that an LLM beating average people is already proof it's creative. But then again LLM art surpasses even those that are above average.
Creativity is not measured in speed. This I agree. But that was not my point. My point was, speed is allowing LLMs to supply me with an endless array of proof and examples. Speed is preventing you from providing anything. It's your word against actual example outputs created by chatGPT or stable diffusion.
Nobody said if it can't be measured it doesn't exist. Nothing of this nature was said or implied.
What I do believe is that if it can't measured then it's existence is only worthwhile and relevant to you. It is not worthwhile to talk about unmeasurable things in a rigorous way. We can talk about unmeasurable things hypothetically, but topics like whether something is intelligent or not where we need definitive information one way or another requires measurements and communication in a shared reality that is interpretable by all parties.
If you want to make a claim outside of our shared reality then sure, be my guest. Let's talk about religion and mythology and all that stuff it's fine. However...
There's a hard demarcation between this stuff and science and a reason why people on HN tend to stick with science before jumping off the deep end into philosophy or religion.
My point on burden of proof was lost on you. Who the burden is placed on is irrelevant to the situation. Imagine we see a house explode and I thus make a claim that because I saw a house explode an actual house must have exploded. Then you suddenly conveniently declare that if I made the claim the burden is on me to prove it. What? Do you see the absurdity there?
We see AI imitating humans pretty well. I make a soft claim that maybe the AI is intelligent and suddenly some guy is like the burden of proof is on you to prove that AI is intelligent!
Bro. Let's be real. First no definitive claim was made second it's a reasonable speculation irregardless of burdens. The burden of proof exists in medicine to prevent distribution and save lives, people do not use the burden of proof to prevent reasonable speculation.
Not being combative. You are mistaken. I am simply trying to keep the conversation on point and prevent deviation. You made initial points I want those points to be determined to be definitively wrong or right before moving on and branching off into deviations.
By "you" I mean the average human. The common human. It can surpass you as an average human and thus it can surpass the common human aka most humans. I don't know you but I made an assumption that you are average.
If you are good at drawing that doesn't mean you can do better. When I compare the art from LLMs to other artists it is in general equal. Then in this case it matches you in your preferred style. But likely beats you in photorealistic styles. I know artists often use simplistic styles to make things easier. Is this the case for you? I wouldn't know. But when looking at other artists I find it very likely it matches you in skill.
The claim made by me is that an LLM can surpass humans and match humans. I did not make the claim that it consistently does this. I believe the poem and the picture proves this as everyone on this thread is unlikely to provide any proof to the contrary.
Maybe you can do slightly better for the illustration. But slow speed prevents you from proving this.
I wouldn't say this example surpasses all humans. It surpasses most humans and matches those trained in poetry and in illustration. Where it does definitively excel is timing. Both the poem and the pictures were generated in less than a minute. No human can create that quickly ever. Even the best of us cannot match that in speed.
Bad poem. But creative. It took some creative liberties which you did not like. Also the LLM took creative liberties on the picture, similar to a human. I guess if a human drew extra people in some mock up I would automatically assume that human is a robot. Makes sense? No.
As for the spec of dust. It's there , it's just too small for you to see.
I guess you not liking the poem is now the demarcation for intelligence? Come on man. This poem is better than anything you can come up with and it's creative.
Hmm as for the nukes. That one is your most legitimate claim. It definitively failed in that respect. But I would hardly call that a clear sign that it's not intelligent. This is more a clear sign that the LLM is not understood. We don't know why it didn't draw the nukes. To say it didn't because it's not intelligent? Well that's too bold of a claim.
You asked for examples where it could do better than you and you stated it couldn't be creative. I gave you an example both in text form and in picture form where it is creative and it does better than you.
First this proves it can do better than you. The word salad is likely better than anything you can come up with. Again feel free to prove me wrong here by doing better. Draw me a better illustration and write me a better poem. These are your initial points. Stick to the point and prove me wrong. Do not deviate.
Second there is no denying this is creative. Both the picture and the text are the definition of creative. Whether it's a poem or not is besides the point. Whether it's "particularly creative" or not is also besides the point. The picture and the text prove your initial points wrong. I will be sticking to this point until you prove otherwise. Until then I request you do not deviate the conversation to alternative points.
No you can't break it down. The experts don't fully understand the high level implications of an LLM. This is definitive. We have no theoretical modelling of what LLMs will output. We can't predict it at all, therefore we do not fully understand LLMs from a high level.