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·2 anni fa·discuss
Let’s duplicate the weather radio broadcasts on the AM bands and leave the commercial stuff on the internet/podcasts in order to maximize safety, then. I’m sure the folks lobbying for this bill like the Salem Media Group wouldn’t mind.
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·5 anni fa·discuss
So flu vaccine mandates are still allowed?
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·5 anni fa·discuss
>mortality of common comparisons like Influenza way higher

Source? I see 188 pediatric deaths from flu in the 2017-2018 season, and 464 for covid over 1.5 years.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/spotlights/2019-2020/2019-20-pediatr...

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Se...
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·5 anni fa·discuss
This is precisely correct, especially wrt the cost/benefit. The antibody tests won't tell you when you were infected, with which variant, or how much viral dose, on top of their imperfect accuracy. And if you're going to bother going to a hospital to get your blood drawn, why not just... get the shot and remove all doubt?

Does the calculus change in the countries where vaccines are basically nonexistant? Yes, of course. But vaccines in the US are as nearly easy to get as Gatorade now, and have been for several months. We spent many billions making it that way - we don't need to turn around and start spending even more money on pox party incentives.
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·5 anni fa·discuss
I think it's also important to note that there was no change in physical distancing seen in indoor environments (mosques) - maybe due to the fact that it's obviously easier to spread out when outdoors. I think we are fairly confident by now that the vast majority of spread occurs indoors [1].

[1] https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/223/4/550/6009483
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·5 anni fa·discuss
With three out of those four states having vaccination rates that are now above average, how can you be sure that an independent safety review didn't have the opposite effect?
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·5 anni fa·discuss
In some cases (e.g. Jews, Amish) the lines between race/religion/national origin become pretty blurry. I agree that it's the most ambiguous of the classes, though.
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·5 anni fa·discuss
It's technically true that you could find some way to dye your skin a different colour, but I don't think most people would find that to be a realistic solution to anything.
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·5 anni fa·discuss
Yes, because the difference is that they are essentially immutable personal traits. The parent was presenting this scenario as an equivalent one and I don't think they are.
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·5 anni fa·discuss
Having a certain political opinion is not a protected class in the US
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·5 anni fa·discuss
I’m curious, what would the mechanism be for this to not be true?
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·5 anni fa·discuss
Alternatively, face masks are this much more effective at blocking much-larger virus particles.
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·5 anni fa·discuss
>Depending on age and condition the risk to an individual can vary from one in ten million to under one in a hundred

You're off by several orders of magnitude here. See "current best estimate": https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scena...
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·5 anni fa·discuss
I'm not sure those states are good examples when their governors were happy to impose restrictions on private businesses and remove their freedom of choice wrt proof of vaccination - to the complaint of the Cato Institute, no less.
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·5 anni fa·discuss
Having an already-high baseline risk before adding covid is a reason to be more cautious, not less. The point is that this particular vector is so trivially preventable.
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·5 anni fa·discuss
quarantine is definitely more expensive than $0, unless their time is worthless
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·5 anni fa·discuss
>"persistent or significant incapacity" does not include "a sick day"

It does, actually. From the UI Medcom link: "symptoms that preclude patient from attending work, school or perform their typical daily activities"
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·5 anni fa·discuss
>The fact that a confirmed natural infection confers immunity equal to or greater than the vaccines is well established at this point. There are something like 80 documented reinfections worldwide.

There is definitely a lot more than 80. My impression is that the mRNA vaccines are more effective than natural immunity.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...
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·5 anni fa·discuss
Page 9, “A persistent or significant incapacity or substantial disruption of the ability to conduct normal life functions”

VAERS forms sometimes have more wording for that category: https://medcom.uiowa.edu/theloop/covid-19-vaccination-requir...
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·5 anni fa·discuss
That 0.4% category includes simply taking a sick day from work/school. I would hardly call that life-threatening. You are also using the word “reaction” when it’s not clear that the SAEs were due to the vaccine and not something else.