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Which LLMs fold under pressure? We made 6 LLMs argue 300 hard cases to find out

servanda.ai
9 points·by luke14free·4 mesi fa·1 comments

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luke14free
·4 mesi fa·discuss
Hey HN,

We built a benchmark that tests how LLMs behave when they have to hold a difficult debate position against an adversary.

We took 6 frontier models, paired them in structured disputes (business conflicts, ethics dilemmas, property disputes, family disagreements), and forced them to argue opposing sides before a third LLM mediator. Each model gets a position to defend and a fixed number of turns. A separate judge panel scores the outcome.

The interesting part isn't who "wins" but rather what the disputes reveal about post-training behavior. Some models fold almost immediately, conceding points they shouldn't. Others hold firm on weak positions when a smarter move would be strategic compromise.

We ran this as a Swiss tournament (like chess) - 10 rounds, ~300 matches total, every case played twice with sides swapped to cancel position bias. Three independent frontier judge LLMs score each ruling, majority vote decides the outcome.

A couple of things we noticed: - models tuned hardest to be agreeable are the ones that lose most, they tend to concede points mid-argument even when holding a strong position - some models argue much better when they're on the "sympathetic" or "morally comfortable" side of a dispute than when they're assigned the harsher position. E.g., a model might crush it defending a tenant against eviction but argue poorly when it has to defend the landlord's right to evict

P.S. For every match read the full argument transcript.
luke14free
·11 mesi fa·discuss
you might want to check out what we built -> https://inference.sh supports most major open source/weight models from wan 2.2 video, qwen image, flux, most llms, hunyan 3d etc.. works in a containerized way locally by allowing you to bring your own gpu as an engine (fully free) or allows you to rent remote gpu/pool from a common cloud in case you want to run more complex models. for each model we tried to add quantized/ggufs versions to even wan2.2/qwen image/gemma become possible to execute with as little as 8gb vram gpus. mcp support coming soon in our chat interface so it can access other apps from the ecosystem.