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photonerd
·3 anni fa·discuss
Charlie certainly was (he took a copy from Bob).

Bob is the distributor in this context however. In most Berne convention states he broke copyright law (technically, but nothing would happen)

Together Bob & Charlie gained or acquired a picture produced by Alice’s work effort that was unauthorized.

That’s stealing. Is it a big deal? Probably not. Still stealing.
photonerd
·3 anni fa·discuss
Taking just means, broadly, “to gain or acquire”. Repetition of an incorrect point doesn’t make it any more valid I’m afraid.

Copying is often called taking a copy. Even basic usage of the term copying invalidates your point!

As for “not allowed” that will vary by contract/law/agreement/license/etc

This distinction is why it’s usually not downloaders that are punished, rather uploaders: they’re the ones that broke an agreement.
photonerd
·3 anni fa·discuss
Taking can simply mean “to gain or acquire”. So, once again, incorrect. Sorry.

I’m sympathetic to the moral argument you’re making—though when the raw goods are digital too I think it’s an impractical & ill conceived one—but both legally AND linguistically… it’s incorrect
photonerd
·3 anni fa·discuss
Copying is “gaining or acquiring” so would come under “taking”, sorry.
photonerd
·3 anni fa·discuss
Taking can simply mean “to gain or acquire”.

If that’s your argument… it’s unsound linguistics and legally.
photonerd
·3 anni fa·discuss
> The key part is depriving the original owner of the use of the item.

I know that’s been a tribal shibboleth of piracy since the 2000s, and I’m sympathetic to the moral argument to this view… but it’s just factually untrue (both in terminology AND in law)
photonerd
·3 anni fa·discuss
Doesn’t need to have a transaction to be stealing. You just need to take (or appropriate) something that you’re not allowed to.
photonerd
·3 anni fa·discuss
Incorrect.

You’re using one of the intransitive definitions but general speaking it’s the transitive forms that apply to digital content, ideas, information, etc.

1. to take or appropriate without right or leave and with intent to keep or make use of wrongfully

2. to take away by force or unjust means

3. to take surreptitiously or without permission

You may not want stealing to mean that… but that’s irrelevant to reality.
photonerd
·3 anni fa·discuss
I get what you mean, but that’s not crippled. The functionality is there. Some convenience features were not.

Annoying? Yes. Limited? Yes. Crippled? No.