rbyers · HackerTrans

In the case of blink-dev, yeah moderators like me. But AFAIK we didn't block any replies there at all because nobody in that forum was making threats or anything like that. I also haven't seen much of anything on these HN threads which I'd say violates the code of conduct we use on the chromium forums.

rbyers

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> Some things just aren't consistent, and I don't believe that you know what "the openness of the web" means, or really care :-).

I certainly could have done a better job trying to convince you of that in that post. Perhaps my follow-up was better? https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/Ux5h_...

FWIW the whole reason I keep working on the web platform at Google is because it's the place I think I can do the most good for openness on the web. See eg. https://thenewstack.io/browser-vendors-aim-to-heal-developer..., https://www.chromium.org/blink/platform-predictability/. "The Master Switch" my Tim Wu is my gospell.

If I and other chromium leads didn't actually care about openness then you'd be able to tell pretty clearly because Chromium would be closed source, we wouldn't have big programs like wpt.fyi, and we wouldn't bother even trying to talk about this stuff on open mailing lists.

rbyers

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Thank you!

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Did you read the rest of the thread? Plenty of really good constructive yet forceful feedback on that thread which I was applauding and celebrating.

rbyers

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I think it's pretty disingenuous to suggest that I "tarred all opposition as criminals". Still I admit my wording could have been better, please see follow-up: https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/Ux5h_....

> If he can’t differentiate between “negative feedback, delivered abusively” and “negative feedback, delivered forcefully” then he should not be someone involved in this decision-making process.

Have you ever managed a large team of people? If so, do you think a good manager would really tell people that part of their job is to accept threats of physical abuse?

rbyers

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Bingo

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Did you see my point later in the thread about moderators like me explicitly approving all the posts which were arguing forcefully (but respectfully) against WEI? I think it's pretty clear we're not shutting down respectful disagreement, only abusive and threatening disagreement.

rbyers

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I'm one of the blink API owners who would need to approve this feature if it were to ship in Chrome. I outlined some of my thoughts on this earlier here: https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/Ux5h_...

It's complex and nuanced, all about altering probabilities of various bad things and TBH work still needs to be done to prove a useful middle ground even exists.

But one thing I can say for sure is there's no way I'm approving Chrome adding a feature which makes it possible for websites to be viewed only in Chrome. Nobody wants that and it's listed as an explicit anti-goal of the feature. Chrome couldn't have existed in the first place without masquerading as Safari, who masqueraded as Netscape etc.., this is something we're all very aware of and committed to in Chrome as its core to the openness of the web.

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