I feel you could've eaten the "fuck off" had you really cared to. Did you read the article? This guy is (or was?) using a ⇒ symbol instead of => in Javascript source code. He's wanking a bit. I enjoyed it otherwise... That's just the right word. Idk. I'm a bit of an FP wanker. It's not so derogatory. "Fuck off" really isn't either. It just can be. And you decided it necessarily was. Who I was. And what sort've consideration and treatment I deserved. You could have responded to my actual point in combination with correcting my tone. I wasn't ranting in my first few comments. They were brief. You didn't need to be so affronted that you completely ignored them. It was just convenient. Also you are and have been following the rules while I have been aggressively disregarding them. What am I trying to do? Why do I keep escalating? Do I want to be heard?
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It's cool at this point. I know where you're coming from. I don't mean to be an ass by trolling. I ultimately wanted to be constructive. Like I wanted the anecdote. I feel this is an issue and I sort've just incited exactly my concern. Idk if that proves anything or if it just makes me a sociopath. But it's the internet so who cares. Enjoy your evening.
Notably you're further demonstrating my point by continually asserting your right to ignore it. While appealing to authority. And still being sort've condescending...
The "wankery" didn't mean nothing. But you just utterly removed it. You did not reformulate it. You ignored it.
I'm not saying you have to care. I just wish you did. Honestly I think this is how you brew a michaelochurch.
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No I was pretending to be that person. Not saying it was you. Sorry if you misunderstood. I feel that person is out there and perpetually angry. And that you stomped on them with your behavior. Furthering their condition. I think it would be better for everyone if we just gave them empathy. Even if it's hard given how foreign their mental state is. And also even if they don't apparently deserve it.
Maybe I'm still trolling. Maybe I care? Honestly wtf am I getting from this... I knew it was going to suck the moment I did it. I do feel it's becoming uncivilly civil around here lately though. Enough to throw my time away like this. Just an anecdote.
> perhaps you were being extremely rude as a rhetorical device
I was and I'm ambivalently sorry about it. Assuming I'm the type of perpetually angry person who has experience with people using unnecessary condescension to reel them in... those were some pretty typical reactionary comments. There is another form of victim emerging out there and I am concerned about it. We can be more tolerant than he was being. I was trolling for it...
Entirely invalidating someones opinion because they're angry is not acceptable in my opinion. I sort've still think it was worth the example. But we can agree to disagree. It's too bad he deleted his comment. It was perfect.
Actually no. It demonstrates it directly. Can you not still parse the information? Honestly there's a point where an army of politeness enforcing assholes becomes its own form of intolerance. Just shut the fuck up now please before we dump more useless shit in this thread.
You can fuck right off. I found the last part useful. It's exactly what it was and why I found it annoying. Wankery means something in addition to being distasteful. This is it. Sorry if you were offended.
Well... As the guy that did all of that let me tell you: it's futile. I knew back when Bill Binney came forward. It was all documented or otherwise obvious. From this I've learned something. People are HEAVILY biased towards the version of the "truth" that lets them do what they want. Like whatever they were doing before you started talking about this shit. lol. The WANT comes first for them. Then when you complain about all of this they assume the same of you. The actuality of anything is irrelevant. They assume you must WANT for it to be true. Then infer that you must necessarily be the kind of person who's WANT is to escape society. A loser. You hemerage status by talking about any of this. So you shut up. Honestly I don't think you did anything wrong... But also, I don't know what right is anymore.
No. Your comment doesn't use any magical concepts for which I have no model. I think I entirely understood it. It's simplicity is incidental but allowed for that. People who come up with simple solutions based on Their Own Ideology are a different thing. Their solutions aren't simple. They're lies that you want to believe contingent on lies you don't know you don't want to believe. Generated mosty for control, of self or others, and never for awareness.
> The more self-aware of them know that there is nothing good that comes out of drawing attention to their good fortune.
I'm part of this trend and I hate it. I have to be careful who I tell anything to. Many people dislike me for it. The world is so weird. I spend so much time pursuing utility via automation. It's so sad to see it mostly alienate people. Just as all of this stuff is becoming so easy and accessible. It has definitely crushed many childhood ideals. At a young age I observed a world in which people had to work too hard and couldn't focus on making good choices. I wanted them to have more time. Not less. It seems as if more and more people are entering a doom loop. Less aware. Less optimal. More time working. Less time learning. Less aware...
IMO those very few people would benefit tremendously from a less diluted workplace. Such that they may actually seek it out were it not for the forces that drive them away. The modern startup is essentially this. It just takes a VC to make it a reality. We're a few technical iterations from essentially deprecating everyone else. We ought to start talking about this. A "life of the mind" in a world with seamless VR and other escapes could actually be wildly more productive than our current life in the world. We should just start trying to make people more comfortable. The engineering mindset seems inherently rare. I suspect distributions converge such that it simply CANNOT be pervasive in a population. What then? We're making everyone else redundant to a degree that we don't even need the entire engineering-capable subset. Honestly I think the money is and will-be potent enough to attract the capable.
Ideally we would find creative ways for other people to work if they desired it. But these may become increasingly rare and undependable. People need a safety-net they can actually reason about. Modern welfare isn't it. They could relax and think MUCH more productively if it were simply: I can live in this tiny box and eat/sleep/internet indefinitely while I learn whatever I want. $35/day buys you that.
I think basic income would do a lot to resolve this tension. People can work towards their own interests with a flat tax on their income and capital gains. Those tax dollars are redirected to an electronic deposit given to everyone for the same amount every day. Lets say $35. You could vote to allocate the usage of those dollars. Like 30% has to go to housing. Then everyone is free to use additional income however they like. It's a sustained capitalistic representation of basic human interests. I suspect it'd do a lot for the economy too. Both by increasing demand (poor people actually buy things) and decreasing fear.
You're not refuting an argument I made. Read it again. I was simply trying to highlight the point at which we might actually have some meaningful effect on the problem. Hint: punishment is irrelevant.
Expectations went up too. In proportion to the increase in efficiency. So people's perceptions of their own lives decrease in value. That's just how people work. You can say whatever you want about these absolutes. No one cares and you noted it yourself.
The attention we're talking about here isn't narcissistic supply. It's basic interpersonal human concern. Shooting up a school because you're being systematically starved of your basic human needs isn't nearly as bad as you just made is sound. Otherwise I never contended with anything else you said. I do think they deserve a chance at rehabilitation but also that they're less likely to attain it.
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It's cool at this point. I know where you're coming from. I don't mean to be an ass by trolling. I ultimately wanted to be constructive. Like I wanted the anecdote. I feel this is an issue and I sort've just incited exactly my concern. Idk if that proves anything or if it just makes me a sociopath. But it's the internet so who cares. Enjoy your evening.