zoffix222

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Thanks.

What would make it a first-class citizen?

Even an empty Rakudo Perl 6 program is a multi-threaded program, as the dynamic optimizer runs on a separate thread. I'd figure if that's possible, concurrency/parallelism would be quite a first-class citizen, not a best hope on top of something.

zoffix222

8 anni fadiscuss

I like concurrency in Rakudo Perl 6. (https://docs.perl6.org/language/concurrency)

Especially the .hyper method that turns a regular sequence into hyper sequence that gets processed in parallel. First 5000 prime numbers:

    # single-thread, takes 14.893s
    put ^∞ .grep(*.is-prime).head: 5000

    # multi-threaded, takes 8.853s on my 2-core box
    put ^∞ .hyper.grep(*.is-prime).head: 5000

zoffix222

9 anni fadiscuss

The Rakudo compiler: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/

Feeling a lot more optimistic about it today than a year ago. \o/

zoffix222

9 anni fadiscuss

Mixing in out-of-band data

zoffix222

9 anni fadiscuss

Author here. Thanks for reading my post! :)

To answer some of the comments: no, this isn't satire, nor is it a marketing or advertisement piece.

I'm just having fun with the language and wrote a post in the voice of The Grinch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grinch). It's meant to be mean. That's all there is to it. Tomorrow's article (coincidentally, also written by me), will have a more sober tone and will describe Perl 6's system of containers and variables. See if you like it more.

I'm OK if you don't like Perl 6 :) That's why we have so many different wonderful languages: everyone can find what they love. I love Perl 6. You should try it out.

zoffix222

9 anni fadiscuss

I don't mind annoying people to solve problems.

zoffix222

9 anni fadiscuss

Commits that happened recently and aren't part of any release yet :)

zoffix222

9 anni fadiscuss

Yes, performance is where most of the funding is currently going into.

Bleed commits on VM for example, recently passed Perl 5 on speed with read-a-million-line-file-and-sum-up-number-of-chars bench ( https://twitter.com/zoffix/status/895684203550973956 ).

zoffix222

9 anni fadiscuss

There's actually talk about amending the name for next major language release ( https://rakudo.party/post/The-Hot-New-Language-Named-Rakudo ). Exactly for the reasons you state: it's a completely different language than Perl and so far it proved too confusing for everyone.

zoffix222

9 anni fadiscuss

Funny you mentioning Geth... Perl 6's core devs use a bot named Geth to report new commits on IRC. And.... it's written in Perl 6 ( https://github.com/perl6/geth ) :)

zoffix222

9 anni fadiscuss

That's just a helper script to generate tables for for .succ/.pred string increment/decrement methods. Nd and No chars as numeric literals were available since first stable release in December 2015

zoffix222

9 anni fadiscuss

> EDIT: Ok, so I installed perl6 (rakudo) just to test this out, and it apparently doesn't work out of the box. Pity.

By any chance, was it from system packages that are likely outdated? You can get up-to-date packages [here](https://github.com/nxadm/rakudo-pkg/releases) or for Windows/Mac, use [Rakudo Star](http://rakudo.org/downloads/star/). Anything older than 2017.04 is ancient and anything older than 2015.12 precedes first stable release and is likely broken.

> Now I wonder what other number systems it supports

It goes by Unicode's definition of what's a digit or a number (using Nd and No) properties. Nd chars are "digits" and can be combined. `No` chars are "Numeric other" and can't be combined; can only use them as numeric literals. [Among other things](https://docs.perl6.org/language/unicode_texas.html#Numeric_c...), that includes Unicodey fractions. And as a cherry on top, you can use superscript chars to raise to a power:

    $ rakudo -e 'say ½ + 42²'
    1764.5

Here are all the Nd and No chars that can be used as numeric literals:

    $ rakudo -e 'put (^0x110000).grep(*.uniprop eq any <Nd No>)».chr'                                                                                                                                                                            
    0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 ² ³ ¹ ¼ ½ ¾ ٠ ١ ٢ ٣ ٤ ٥ ٦ ٧ ٨ ٩ ۰ ۱ ۲ ۳ ۴ ۵ ۶ ۷ ۸ ۹ ߀ ߁
    ߂ ߃ ߄ ߅ ߆ ߇ ߈ ߉ ० १ २ ३ ४ ५ ६ ७ ८ ९ ০ ১ ২ ৩ ৪ ৫ ৬ ৭ ৮ ৯ ৴ ৵ ৶ ৷ ৸ ৹ ੦ ੧ ੨ ੩
    ੪ ੫ ੬ ੭ ੮ ੯ ૦ ૧ ૨ ૩ ૪ ૫ ૬ ૭ ૮ ૯ ୦ ୧ ୨ ୩ ୪ ୫ ୬ ୭ ୮ ୯ ୲ ୳ ୴
    ୵ ୶ ୷ ௦ ௧ ௨ ௩ ௪ ௫ ௬ ௭ ௮ ௯ ௰ ௱ ௲ ౦ ౧ ౨ ౩ ౪ ౫ ౬ ౭ ౮ ౯ ౸
    ౹ ౺ ౻ ౼ ౽ ౾ ೦ ೧ ೨ ೩ ೪ ೫ ೬ ೭ ೮ ೯ ൘ ൙ ൚ ൛ ൜ ൝ ൞ ൦ ൧ ൨ ൩ ൪ 
    ൫ ൬ ൭ ൮ ൯ ൰ ൱ ൲ ൳ ൴ ൵ ൶ ൷ ൸ ෦ ෧ ෨ ෩ ෪ ෫ ෬ ෭ ෮ ෯ ๐ ๑ ๒ ๓ ๔ ๕
     ๖ ๗ ๘ ๙ ໐ ໑ ໒ ໓ ໔ ໕ ໖ ໗ ໘ ໙ ༠ ༡ ༢ ༣ ༤ ༥ ༦ ༧ ༨ ༩ ༪ ༫ ༬ ༭ ༮ ༯ ༰ 
     ༱ ༲ ༳ ၀ ၁ ၂ ၃ ၄ ၅ ၆ ၇ ၈ ၉ ႐ ႑ ႒ ႓ ႔ ႕ ႖ ႗ ႘ ႙ ፩ ፪ ፫ ፬ ፭ 
     ፮ ፯ ፰ ፱ ፲ ፳ ፴ ፵ ፶ ፷ ፸ ፹ ፺ ፻ ፼ ០ ១ ២ ៣ ៤ ៥ ៦ ៧ ៨ ៩ ៰ ៱ ៲ 
     ៳ ៴ ៵ ៶ ៷ ៸ ៹ ᠐ ᠑ ᠒ ᠓ ᠔ ᠕ ᠖ ᠗ ᠘ ᠙ ᥆ ᥇ ᥈ ᥉ ᥊ ᥋ ᥌ ᥍ ᥎ ᥏ ᧐ ᧑ 
     ᧒ ᧓ ᧔ ᧕ ᧖ ᧗ ᧘ ᧙ ᧚ ᪀ ᪁ ᪂ ᪃ ᪄ ᪅ ᪆ ᪇ ᪈ ᪉ ᪐ ᪑ ᪒ ᪓ ᪔ ᪕ ᪖ ᪗ 
     ᪘ ᪙ ᭐ ᭑ ᭒ ᭓ ᭔ ᭕ ᭖ ᭗ ᭘ ᭙ ᮰ ᮱ ᮲ ᮳ ᮴ ᮵ ᮶ ᮷ ᮸ ᮹ ᱀ ᱁ ᱂ ᱃ ᱄ 
     ᱅ ᱆ ᱇ ᱈ ᱉ ᱐ ᱑ ᱒ ᱓ ᱔ ᱕ ᱖ ᱗ ᱘ ᱙ ⁰ ⁴ ⁵ ⁶ ⁷ ⁸ ⁹ ₀ ₁ ₂ ₃ ₄ ₅ ₆ ₇ ₈ ₉ ⅐ ⅑ 
     ⅒ ⅓ ⅔ ⅕ ⅖ ⅗ ⅘ ⅙ ⅚ ⅛ ⅜ ⅝ ⅞ ⅟ ↉ ① ② ③ ④ ⑤ ⑥ ⑦ ⑧ ⑨ ⑩ ⑪ ⑫ ⑬ ⑭ ⑮ 
     ⑯ ⑰ ⑱ ⑲ ⑳ ⑴ ⑵ ⑶ ⑷ ⑸ ⑹ ⑺ ⑻ ⑼ ⑽ ⑾ ⑿ ⒀ ⒁ ⒂ ⒃ ⒄ ⒅ ⒆ ⒇ ⒈ ⒉ 
     ⒊ ⒋ ⒌ ⒍ ⒎ ⒏ ⒐ ⒑ ⒒ ⒓ ⒔ ⒕ ⒖ ⒗ ⒘ ⒙ ⒚ ⒛ ⓪ ⓫ ⓬ ⓭ ⓮ ⓯ ⓰ ⓱ ⓲ 
     ⓳ ⓴ ⓵ ⓶ ⓷ ⓸ ⓹ ⓺ ⓻ ⓼ ⓽ ⓾ ⓿                
                    ⳽ ㆒ ㆓ ㆔ ㆕ ㈠ ㈡ ㈢ ㈣ ㈤ ㈥ ㈦ ㈧ ㈨ 
     ㈩ ㉈ ㉉ ㉊ ㉋ ㉌ ㉍ ㉎ ㉏ ㉑ ㉒ ㉓ ㉔ ㉕ ㉖ ㉗ ㉘ ㉙ ㉚ ㉛ ㉜ ㉝ ㉞ ㉟ ㊀ ㊁ ㊂ 
     ㊃ ㊄ ㊅ ㊆ ㊇ ㊈ ㊉ ㊱ ㊲ ㊳ ㊴ ㊵ ㊶ ㊷ ㊸ ㊹ ㊺ ㊻ ㊼ ㊽ ㊾ ㊿ ꘠ ꘡ ꘢ ꘣ ꘤ ꘥ 
     ꘦ ꘧ ꘨ ꘩ ꠰ ꠱ ꠲ ꠳ ꠴ ꠵ ꣐ ꣑ ꣒ ꣓ ꣔ ꣕ ꣖ ꣗ ꣘ ꣙ ꤀ ꤁ ꤂ ꤃ ꤄ ꤅ ꤆ 
     ꤇ ꤈ ꤉ ꧐ ꧑ ꧒ ꧓ ꧔ ꧕ ꧖ ꧗ ꧘ ꧙ ꧰ ꧱ ꧲ ꧳ ꧴ ꧵ ꧶ ꧷ ꧸ ꧹ ꩐ ꩑ ꩒ 
     ꩓ ꩔ ꩕ ꩖ ꩗ ꩘ ꩙ ꯰ ꯱ ꯲ ꯳ ꯴ ꯵ ꯶ ꯷ ꯸ ꯹ ０ １ ２ ３ ４ ５ ６ ７ ８ 
     ９ 𐄇 𐄈 𐄉 𐄊 𐄋 𐄌 𐄍 𐄎 𐄏 𐄐 𐄑 𐄒 𐄓 𐄔 𐄕 𐄖 𐄗 𐄘 𐄙 𐄚 𐄛 𐄜 𐄝 𐄞 𐄟 𐄠 𐄡 𐄢 𐄣 𐄤 𐄥 𐄦 𐄧 
     𐄨 𐄩 𐄪 𐄫 𐄬 𐄭 𐄮 𐄯 𐄰 𐄱 𐄲 𐄳 𐅵 𐅶 𐅷 𐅸 𐆊 𐆋 𐋡 𐋢 𐋣 𐋤 𐋥 𐋦 𐋧 𐋨 𐋩 𐋪 𐋫 𐋬 𐋭 𐋮 𐋯 𐋰 𐋱 
     𐋲 𐋳 𐋴 𐋵 𐋶 𐋷 𐋸 𐋹 𐋺 𐋻 𐌠 𐌡 𐌢 𐌣 𐒠 𐒡 𐒢 𐒣 𐒤 𐒥 𐒦 𐒧 𐒨 𐒩 𐡘 𐡙 𐡚 𐡛 𐡜 𐡝 𐡞 𐡟 𐡹 𐡺 𐡻 
     𐡼 𐡽 𐡾 𐡿 𐢧 𐢨 𐢩 𐢪 𐢫 𐢬 𐢭 𐢮 𐢯 𐣻 𐣼 𐣽 𐣾 𐣿 𐤖 𐤗 𐤘 𐤙 𐤚 𐤛 𐦼 𐦽 𐧀 𐧁 𐧂 𐧃 𐧄 𐧅 𐧆 𐧇 𐧈 𐧉 
     𐧊 𐧋 𐧌 𐧍 𐧎 𐧏 𐧒 𐧓 𐧔 𐧕 𐧖 𐧗 𐧘 𐧙 𐧚 𐧛 𐧜 𐧝 𐧞 𐧟 𐧠 𐧡 𐧢 𐧣 𐧤 𐧥 𐧦 𐧧 𐧨 𐧩 𐧪 𐧫 𐧬 𐧭 𐧮 
     𐧯 𐧰 𐧱 𐧲 𐧳 𐧴 𐧵 𐧶 𐧷 𐧸 𐧹 𐧺 𐧻 𐧼 𐧽 𐧾 𐧿 𐩀 𐩁 𐩂 𐩃 𐩄 𐩅 𐩆 𐩇 𐩽 𐩾 𐪝 𐪞 𐪟 𐫫 𐫬 𐫭 𐫮 𐫯 
     𐭘 𐭙 𐭚 𐭛 𐭜 𐭝 𐭞 𐭟 𐭸 𐭹 𐭺 𐭻 𐭼 𐭽 𐭾 𐭿 𐮩 𐮪 𐮫 𐮬 𐮭 𐮮 𐮯 𐳺 𐳻 𐳼 𐳽 𐳾 𐳿 𐹠 𐹡 𐹢 𐹣 𐹤 𐹥 
     𐹦 𐹧 𐹨 𐹩 𐹪 𐹫 𐹬 𐹭 𐹮 𐹯 𐹰 𐹱 𐹲 𐹳 𐹴 𐹵 𐹶 𐹷 𐹸 𐹹 𐹺 𐹻 𐹼 𐹽 𐹾 𑁒 𑁓 𑁔 𑁕 𑁖 𑁗 𑁘 𑁙 𑁚 𑁛 
     𑁜 𑁝 𑁞 𑁟 𑁠 𑁡 𑁢 𑁣 𑁤 𑁥 𑁦 𑁧 𑁨 𑁩 𑁪 𑁫 𑁬 𑁭 𑁮 𑁯 𑃰 𑃱 𑃲 𑃳 𑃴 𑃵 𑃶 𑃷 𑃸 𑃹 𑄶 𑄷 𑄸 𑄹 𑄺 
     𑄻 𑄼 𑄽 𑄾 𑄿 𑇐 𑇑 𑇒 𑇓 𑇔 𑇕 𑇖 𑇗 𑇘 𑇙 𑇡 𑇢 𑇣 𑇤 𑇥 𑇦 𑇧 𑇨 𑇩 𑇪 𑇫 𑇬 𑇭 𑇮 𑇯 𑇰 𑇱 𑇲 𑇳 𑇴 
     𑋰 𑋱 𑋲 𑋳 𑋴 𑋵 𑋶 𑋷 𑋸 𑋹 𑑐 𑑑 𑑒 𑑓 𑑔 𑑕 𑑖 𑑗 𑑘 𑑙 𑓐 𑓑 𑓒 𑓓 𑓔 𑓕 𑓖 𑓗 𑓘 𑓙 𑙐 𑙑 𑙒 𑙓 𑙔 
     𑙕 𑙖 𑙗 𑙘 𑙙 𑛀 𑛁 𑛂 𑛃 𑛄 𑛅 𑛆 𑛇 𑛈 𑛉 𑜰 𑜱 𑜲 𑜳 𑜴 𑜵 𑜶 𑜷 𑜸 𑜹 𑜺 𑜻 𑣠 𑣡 𑣢 𑣣 𑣤 𑣥 𑣦 𑣧 
     𑣨 𑣩 𑣪 𑣫 𑣬 𑣭 𑣮 𑣯 𑣰 𑣱 𑣲 𑱐 𑱑 𑱒 𑱓 𑱔 𑱕 𑱖 𑱗 𑱘 𑱙 𑱚 𑱛 𑱜 𑱝 𑱞 𑱟 𑱠 𑱡 𑱢 𑱣 𑱤 𑱥 𑱦 𑱧 
     𑱨 𑱩 𑱪 𑱫 𑱬 𖩠 𖩡 𖩢 𖩣 𖩤 𖩥 𖩦 𖩧 𖩨 𖩩 𖭐 𖭑 𖭒 𖭓 𖭔 𖭕 𖭖 𖭗 𖭘 𖭙 𖭛 𖭜 𖭝 𖭞 𖭟 𖭠 𖭡 𝍠 𝍡 𝍢 
     𝍣 𝍤 𝍥 𝍦 𝍧 𝍨 𝍩 𝍪 𝍫 𝍬 𝍭 𝍮 𝍯 𝍰 𝍱 𝟎 𝟏 𝟐 𝟑 𝟒 𝟓 𝟔 𝟕 𝟖 𝟗 𝟘 𝟙 𝟚 𝟛 𝟜 𝟝 𝟞 𝟟 𝟠 𝟡 𝟢 
     𝟣 𝟤 𝟥 𝟦 𝟧 𝟨 𝟩 𝟪 𝟫 𝟬 𝟭 𝟮 𝟯 𝟰 𝟱 𝟲 𝟳 𝟴 𝟵 𝟶 𝟷 𝟸 𝟹 𝟺 𝟻 𝟼 𝟽 𝟾 𝟿 𞣇 𞣈 𞣉 𞣊 𞣋 
     𞣌 𞣍 𞣎 𞣏 𞥐 𞥑 𞥒 𞥓 𞥔 𞥕 𞥖 𞥗 𞥘 𞥙 🄀 🄁 🄂 🄃 🄄 🄅 🄆 🄇 🄈 🄉 🄊 🄋 🄌

zoffix222

9 anni fadiscuss

Ouch. That's older than first stable release :)

zoffix222

9 anni fadiscuss

FWIW, a huge amount of work has been done to docs in the past year. There's even a dead-tree book available now (https://deeptext.media/perl6-at-a-glance/ ), with 3 more slated to release later this year.

zoffix222

9 anni fadiscuss

Heard of that video. It's about Perl 6's sister language, Perl 5. And the presenter basically did this for shits and giggles. Even the module that supposedly has the exploits he talks about hasn't been recommended to use for over a decade.

zoffix222

9 anni fadiscuss

Biased core dev here...

I've used Perl 6 for IRC bots. The ease of writing parallel code, nice OO model, multi dispatch, and subsets make it very pleasant to do them in Perl 6. Here's a bot I wrote that listens for GitHub webhooks and reports new commits and PRs: https://github.com/perl6/geth and here's another one that's just a bunch of random features: https://github.com/zoffixznet/perl6-buggable/

I also heard people say grammars are the most note-worthy feature of Perl 6 and people basically use them to quickly hack up a nice little micro-language in which they then attack their problem. Before I came to Perl 6 I was dumb as shoe when it came to writing parsers, but I find it trivial to do with Perl 6 grammars.

Do I like it? Although I'm obviously biased, I love the language. It lets you write beautifully concise, yet still readable, code. It even lets you use much more readable syntax for regexes. Somewhat regretfully, it made it very difficult for me to learn other languages, as in them I end up writing 3x, 4x, 6x the amount of code and I keep getting reminded of Larry Wall saying Perl 6 would be the last language you'd learn. In Perl 6 I can "talk"; in other languages, I write "code".

However, while the language is fantastic, the implementation still has a lot of work to be done to polish it off. It's basically a 1.0 release. Unlike Go, Rust, or Swift, there isn't a giant corporation behind Perl 6 that can just throw money at problems until they disappear. Compared to other languages, some things are still unoptimized and are much slower. I spotted some leakage that makes it problematic for very-long-running (months) programs. About 65 new bug tickets are opened per month. The test suite is pretty sparse in some areas (which is the likely reason for many of the new bug tickets). But... three new core developers joined this January, so hopefully all that will get improved pretty fast.

Someone in the comments also mentioned the baby-sized ecosystem... Since Perl 6 lets you use C libraries without needing to compile anything, people wrote stuff like Inline::Perl5 and Inline::Python that let you import and even subclass stuff from Perl 5 and Python. And that's a bit of a double-edge sword: yes, it's trivial to use libraries from Perl 5 and Python, but it also stunts the ecosystem; no one has enough motivation to re-invent the wheel in Perl 6 when the wheels from other languages are reasonably usable.

zoffix222

10 anni fadiscuss

It's the same thing.

zoffix222

10 anni fadiscuss

For the last year, I've seen you several times re-iterate that point that just-if and if-only the handful of volunteers who drive this project made some sort of a massive media spectacle then everyone and their brother would be using Perl 6 these days.

Sorry, but that's just wishful thinking. We don't have infinite resources or infinite number of volunteers. Maybe instead of endless critique, you could offer a helping hand. You did want to at one point: https://irclog.perlgeek.de/mojo/2016-10-09#i_13366119

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