Ask HN: If you had to choose, would it be your startup or significant other?
My relationship recently ended because of my startup life. The continuous work and mismatched schedules made it very hard. She never explicitly said "it's me or the startup" but it became apparent that things would never work with my startup lifestyle. Has anyone else faced this decision?
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If you have any doubt about this, resolve it before you have kids with your significant other.
Your SO is (presumably) an adult who is in a voluntary relationship with you and knew your personality before getting serious with you.
Kids, on the other hand, don't get to chose their parents. Don't make 'em unless you've got the time and ability to be a parent to them.
Your SO is (presumably) an adult who is in a voluntary relationship with you and knew your personality before getting serious with you.
Kids, on the other hand, don't get to chose their parents. Don't make 'em unless you've got the time and ability to be a parent to them.
Thankfully kids are nowhere in the new future, startup or not. I agree though, kids complicate matters.
This is very related to a work/life balance discussion HN had recently: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2386235
I had more to say, but it got long. Expect a blog post in future.
I had more to say, but it got long. Expect a blog post in future.
If my SO couldn't deal with my startup life, I wouldn't wait for him to pack his bags, I'd already be gone. He knows I love him fiercly, but somethings in this world are worth fighting for - my hapiness being one of them.
Been married 5 years, and I regularly neglect my husband for side projects, and he knows it :) It's never to the point where we never spend time together but he understands where my head is at, and he supports me.
Those of us with a truly entrepreneurial spirit cannot run from who we are. And to lie to oneself in order to save a relationship will not work in the long run, because in the end, the truth will come out. If your SO can't deal with your startup fever, then of course, try your best to compromise so that you can still have both (if possible). But if you find yourself having to choose between the two and you choose your SO, but your passion really lines in your startup, how happy will you really be in that relationship?
Love is nice and all, but you have to be fuflilled in your life outside your relationships. Don't get me wrong, work is not everything, and probably not the most important thing to many ppl, but if your work drives you to wake up in the morning, then that's saying something profound about your passions and what makes you happy.
Someone who truly loves you, and understands you would never ask you to choose, but they would also never stand in your way either. If that means you can't be together, then that's something you just have to accept and learn from.
Been married 5 years, and I regularly neglect my husband for side projects, and he knows it :) It's never to the point where we never spend time together but he understands where my head is at, and he supports me.
Those of us with a truly entrepreneurial spirit cannot run from who we are. And to lie to oneself in order to save a relationship will not work in the long run, because in the end, the truth will come out. If your SO can't deal with your startup fever, then of course, try your best to compromise so that you can still have both (if possible). But if you find yourself having to choose between the two and you choose your SO, but your passion really lines in your startup, how happy will you really be in that relationship?
Love is nice and all, but you have to be fuflilled in your life outside your relationships. Don't get me wrong, work is not everything, and probably not the most important thing to many ppl, but if your work drives you to wake up in the morning, then that's saying something profound about your passions and what makes you happy.
Someone who truly loves you, and understands you would never ask you to choose, but they would also never stand in your way either. If that means you can't be together, then that's something you just have to accept and learn from.
This is exactly how I feel, its nice to know someone can empathize with me. It's very hard to explain this to a SO though.
I agree, it is very hard if you are trying to convince a SO that doesn't see or understand the connection between your passions and well being. It's also very difficult if your SO has already decided in his or her mind that it has to be either or (them or the startup). It would be awesome if there was some guide or handbook on this subject, but there is no easy answer to making your SO understand.
It is possible to have both (your passion and your SO) if you can find a balance that you and your SO can both live with, and maybe that's the easiest way to help your SO understand...by including them in that process, and making them feel like you guys are figuring it out together.
In the end though, there is only so much you can do/say to try and convince someone who has already made up their mind that your logic is bs. At which point you should probably let that person go, so they can take a dump on someone else's dreams, lol.
It is possible to have both (your passion and your SO) if you can find a balance that you and your SO can both live with, and maybe that's the easiest way to help your SO understand...by including them in that process, and making them feel like you guys are figuring it out together.
In the end though, there is only so much you can do/say to try and convince someone who has already made up their mind that your logic is bs. At which point you should probably let that person go, so they can take a dump on someone else's dreams, lol.
After two failed startups, my fiance later wife has let's say "become very wary" of new projects.
And that sucks. But, I wouldn't trade her (or our kids) for all the money in the world so the choice is easy.
That said, I have two active projects and at the moment and I'm treading very, very lightly with them. My plan is to remain stealth (from her) until/unless I get traction and then that would put me in a better position to further negotiate ala time commitments, etc. :)
And that sucks. But, I wouldn't trade her (or our kids) for all the money in the world so the choice is easy.
That said, I have two active projects and at the moment and I'm treading very, very lightly with them. My plan is to remain stealth (from her) until/unless I get traction and then that would put me in a better position to further negotiate ala time commitments, etc. :)
Well that gives a new perspective on stealthmode startup. I don't hide projects, but I do secretly check my phone and answer emails when I'm with her. I know it upsets her when I get my phone out when we're together, so I'll save quick emails when I "go to the bathroom."
I had to choose, and though in retrospect it would've never worked long-term, I still regret that I told her that my work is more important than her. The relationship was never the same after that, and I wish I had the wits to hold my tongue. Ah, some things, you learn the hard way :). My advice would be this: let them choose. If you still like that person, just maintain that stance.
During the .com days I worked day and night. I worked through christmas, thanksgiving, new years and valentines day of 99 and 2000. I was engaged, but between that and all the travel I had to do, my relationship didnt last. At that time I made an explicit decision to sacrifice everything for work. These days I wouldn't make that tradeoff but my wife also knows I can easily work 18 hour days for weeks (or travel) and is willing to deal with it because we have a nice life (she doesn't have to work). Even when I don't work that much I'm usually reading from the time I get home until I go to sleep so she is used to not getting attention all the time.
I'd choose my wife if I really had to. Fortunately I've been able to make it work pretty well. I spend almost all my non-startup time with her, which is why it works I think.
I like what you said, and it mirrors my experience. It comes down to what your priorities are. In my case it's family, work, then other stuff. It's a lie to believe that you can have/do it all, but it's generally true that you can have/do the things that are really important to you. I don't ride motorcycles, fly RC airplanes, or play guitar much anymore, but I'm okay with that because they were lesser priorities than the top two.
It all comes down to your values and what is important. Personally, I wouldn't trade my girl for anything, but I'm the type that values family/relationship above all else. If you get your happiness through your work, then focus on your start-up. There is no right or wrong answer, it would be worse if you felt pressured to choose your SO then have some ill feelings towards them because you feel like they keep you from the things you truly enjoy.
It's an extremely tough spot to be in if your significant other isn't the type who understands or is willing to put up with startup life (mostly the lack of time for each other). While it can work, often it doesn't.
I've been down this road quite a few times. To me, it really is more of a matter of asking is this person right for me if our lifestyle choices conflict. So in essense, the startup almost always win.
I've been down this road quite a few times. To me, it really is more of a matter of asking is this person right for me if our lifestyle choices conflict. So in essense, the startup almost always win.
Relationships are hardly written in stone.
Take the time to understand your feelings and talk to you ex.
If you can't get to an understanding then is likely that the problems between you two go deeper than you think.
Finding someone you really like is not easy and may not happen again.
Pushing for more efficiency may help. Some tips:
1. Rid as much of time-wasters as possible. Ditch your tv, game set, etc. Avoid reading too much news, forums, etc.
2. Be more time-conscious with your activities, i.e., don't stray. E.g., reading is good but be selective. I've seen some non-startup related topics making getting so much upvotes even on Hacker News. E.g., debating to get feedback is good but debating to win is not.
Pushing for more efficiency may help. Some tips:
1. Rid as much of time-wasters as possible. Ditch your tv, game set, etc. Avoid reading too much news, forums, etc.
2. Be more time-conscious with your activities, i.e., don't stray. E.g., reading is good but be selective. I've seen some non-startup related topics making getting so much upvotes even on Hacker News. E.g., debating to get feedback is good but debating to win is not.
I'm pretty good at 1. I haven't played a video game since high school and don't have any TV channels. The worst part is my drug called HN.
The maybe you can create a startup that revolves around your 'addiction'.
Some people successfully writes blogs for startup news such as HN, e.g., http://blog.louisgray.com.
I regularly neglect my side projects for my wife & kids, so I guess my SO. I don't regret a second of it, either.
It would probably be different if I were younger and just dating.
It would probably be different if I were younger and just dating.
Having a wife and kids is a big difference from a girlfriend. I am young and just dating, but if I had a wife and kids, I'm sure they would come first.
Well i think you need to adjust your routine. I think both startup and relationship are equally important and you have to manage accordingly.
Relationship stands on top of understanding and i think you both should understand each other. If your girl understands you and you do the same then i dont think it wont be any problem.
Good luck.
Good luck.
I don't want to sound cold, but it depends on your SO and the startup. If your SO is someone you can't live without, then your decision is clear. If your startup is going to make your life so much better, and it's your ultimate passion, but your SO can't accept that, it's time to move on (from the relationship).
I don't think that's cold. Sometimes the startup is the thing in your life you can't live without.
I haven't but I think everything has a reason. If you're really passionate about this idea than keep pushing.
Involve your SO in your startup and then you don't have to choose. They don't have to be a co-founder, but maybe they brainstorm ideas with you or help with customer support.
The only right thing is to choose yourself.
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Startup.
But, why? The OP would've posted a poll if he'd wanted one-word answers.
I would probably choose startup too. The reason, I think, is that unless I succeed, I'm not going to be happy and would actually make my SO miserable. However, if I succeed, I would have the money and the time to be able to live happily with my SO.
This is a question that usually resolves itself.
If your SO went into a relationship with someone who he/she knew was extremely passionate about building things, and they somehow expected this to "change", they are delusional, dishonest, or both.
Did you really want to spend the rest of your life with a delusional, dishonest, controlling individual anyway?
Yeah, didn't think so. In this event, you move on and find someone who doesn't try to hamstring your dreams and crush your soul. They do exist, and your life will be richer for it.
If your SO went into a relationship with someone who he/she knew was extremely passionate about building things, and they somehow expected this to "change", they are delusional, dishonest, or both.
Did you really want to spend the rest of your life with a delusional, dishonest, controlling individual anyway?
Yeah, didn't think so. In this event, you move on and find someone who doesn't try to hamstring your dreams and crush your soul. They do exist, and your life will be richer for it.
I think your conclusion of a dishonest, delusional and controlling person may be a little off, but I see what you're saying. When we first started dating, I wasn't like this. Sure, I still hacked, worked hard and built things. But I admit that I did change and started working more and being serious about the startup lifestyle. I should also mention that we started dating when we were still in college.