Origin Of The Abbreviation I18n (2002)(i18nguy.com)
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Origin Of The Abbreviation I18n (2002)
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My "favourite" one of those weird abbreviations is a11y, because rather ironically it's bad for screen readers.
Wouldn't wrapping it in <abbr> tags fix the problem?
Doesn't seem any worse for screen readers than for the rest of us.
Always hated that abbreviation. I feel the disrespect to the reader in being unwilling to write out a word (instead of an acronym) really makes one wonder about actual commitment to communication. I mean why translate if one can just use gibberish?
Agreed, and I also hate a11y for “accessibility” as I think it is quite inaccessible when you first come across it and really it only exists because the writer can’t remember the number of c and s letters.
It's a matter of taste, and I find it horrible. It's also hard to type, compared to just letters.
I get it that internationalization is too long, but what was so wrong with using intl or something similar?
I get it that internationalization is too long, but what was so wrong with using intl or something similar?
Because it could be intentional or international or initial or intel, as well. Numeronyms are like icons, they’re useful because they’re distinctive and unique.
I don't know. I am not a native speaker, but I think it is ok, maybe even better. We have gotten used to 'OK', despite its questionable origin (or origin story).
It's not supposed to be user-facing though, is it? If you have a code library for translating text and such, calling it I18n makes more sense than Internationalization in that context because Internationalization is just too long.
k8s, though?
And the shorter the words, the bigger a F2K Y1U it is to the reader.
Related:
Origin of the Abbreviation 'i18n' - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21634535 - Nov 2019 (1 comment)
Origin Of The Abbreviation I18n For "Internationalization" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5235071 - Feb 2013 (14 comments)
Origin of the Abbreviation 'i18n' - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21634535 - Nov 2019 (1 comment)
Origin Of The Abbreviation I18n For "Internationalization" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5235071 - Feb 2013 (14 comments)
I think the French k7 is because "k-sept" sounds exactly like "cassette". The fact that the number of letters match is just a coincidence.
Numeronyms like i18n and a11y are things I'd seen from time to time, but not in a sufficiently interesting or relevant context for me to figure out what they meant, until one day I finally looked them up. Then, just for fun, I made this page: https://www.timpark.org/n10e-s2e-t2t/ (numeronymize some text)
Was this the first example of this style of abbreviation? Was a16z consciously inspired by I18n?
According to chatgpt:
> It is difficult to determine the exact first recorded numeronym, as they have likely been used informally for many years. However, one of the earliest known examples of a numeronym is the word "K9", which is a numeronym for "canine". It is believed that the term was first used by the United States military during World War II, as a way to refer to dogs that were used in military operations. The "K" represents the first letter of "canine", and the "9" represents the nine letters that follow it. Since then, numeronyms have become more common, especially in the technology and business industries.
I love how confident ChatGPT is in its incorrectness. When I pointed out that there are only 6 letters in the word canine, and that it starts with a “c” it responded with:
> I apologize for the error in my previous response. You are correct that "canine" only has six letters and it starts with a "C". The numeronym "K9" represents the word "canine" by using the "K" to represent the sound of the first letter, "C", and "9" to represent the number of letters between "C" and "E".
Which is just amazing. Whole lotta letters between c and e apparently.
> It is difficult to determine the exact first recorded numeronym, as they have likely been used informally for many years. However, one of the earliest known examples of a numeronym is the word "K9", which is a numeronym for "canine". It is believed that the term was first used by the United States military during World War II, as a way to refer to dogs that were used in military operations. The "K" represents the first letter of "canine", and the "9" represents the nine letters that follow it. Since then, numeronyms have become more common, especially in the technology and business industries.
I love how confident ChatGPT is in its incorrectness. When I pointed out that there are only 6 letters in the word canine, and that it starts with a “c” it responded with:
> I apologize for the error in my previous response. You are correct that "canine" only has six letters and it starts with a "C". The numeronym "K9" represents the word "canine" by using the "K" to represent the sound of the first letter, "C", and "9" to represent the number of letters between "C" and "E".
Which is just amazing. Whole lotta letters between c and e apparently.
I should have realized you were quoting a bot, but my mind was literally contorting itself to figure out how that was accurate. :D It felt like the eyeballs of my brain were quite literally full open and blinking in confusion.
I recall Ben Horowitz saying a16z was a conscious nod to i18n in some interviews.
Can someone please explain to me why “411” means “information”?
In the US, this was the standard phone number to dial to connect to an operator-assisted (and later automated) information lookup, such as "get me the number of so-and-so in such-and-such city and state".
Personally I haven't needed to use it since probably the 1990s.
Personally I haven't needed to use it since probably the 1990s.
Expanding, US phone numbers are xxx-yyy-zzzz, where x is area code, y is prefix, and z is number.
It used to be that you did not have to dial the area code if you were calling a number in your same area code. So if your phone number was 415-591-0726 and you were calling 415-327-0914, you could omit the "415" part.
The prefixes ?11 were reserved: 911 for emergency, 411 for directory information, 611 for telephone company support, 711 for TDD / relay for the deaf, then 511 for road conditions I think, and then 811 for "call before you dig", aka please don't backhoe our fiber optics.
It used to be that you did not have to dial the area code if you were calling a number in your same area code. So if your phone number was 415-591-0726 and you were calling 415-327-0914, you could omit the "415" part.
The prefixes ?11 were reserved: 911 for emergency, 411 for directory information, 611 for telephone company support, 711 for TDD / relay for the deaf, then 511 for road conditions I think, and then 811 for "call before you dig", aka please don't backhoe our fiber optics.
Many cities now also have a 311 service as a kind of non-emergency municipal call center for things like paying parking tickets or reporting potholes. My favorite use of this was in the early 2000s when it was used to trace the source of the mysterious "maple syrup events" in New York. People were encouraged to call 311 the moment they smelled the maple syrup odor and give the operator their location. By plotting the times and locations, they were able to trace it to a factory in New Jersey that was making artificial maple syrup flavoring from fenugreek seeds: https://web.archive.org/web/20190208102307/http://gothamist....
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter-Client_Communication_Con...
>In computing, the Inter-Client Communication Conventions Manual (ICCCM or I39L short for "I", 39 letters and "L")[1] is a standard protocol for the X Window System. It specifies conventions for clients of a common X server about selections and cut buffers, communication with the window manager and session manager, manipulation of shared resources, and color characterization.
[2] The X-Windows Disaster chapter of the Unix-Haters Handbook: http://www.art.net/~hopkins/Don/unix-haters/x-windows/disast...
>Ice Cube: The Lethal Weapon
>One of the fundamental design goals of X was to separate the window manager from the window server. "Mechanism, not policy" was the mantra. That is, the X server provided a mechanism for drawing on the screen and managing windows, but did not implement a particular policy for human-computer interaction. While this might have seemed like a good idea at the time (especially if you are in a research community, experimenting with different approaches for solving the human-computer interaction problem), it can create a veritable user interface Tower of Babel.
>If you sit down at a friend's Macintosh, with its single mouse button, you can use it with no problems. If you sit down at a friend's Windows box, with two buttons, you can use it, again with no problems. But just try making sense of a friend's X terminal: three buttons, each one programmed a different way to perform a different function on each different day of the week -- and that's before you consider combinations like control-left-button, shift-right-button, control-shift-meta-middle-button, and so on. Things are not much better from the programmer's point of view.
>As a result, one of the most amazing pieces of literature to come out of the X Consortium is the "Inter Client Communication Conventions Manual," more fondly known as the "ICCCM", "Ice Cubed," or "I39L" (short for "I, 39 letters, L"). It describes protocols that X clients ust use to communicate with each other via the X server, including diverse topics like window management, selections, keyboard and colormap focus, and session management. In short, it tries to cover everything the X designers forgot and tries to fix everything they got wrong. But it was too late -- by the time ICCCM was published, people were already writing window managers and toolkits, so each new version of the ICCCM was forced to bend over backwards to be backward compatible with the mistakes of the past.
>The ICCCM is unbelievably dense, it must be followed to the last letter, and it still doesn't work. ICCCM compliance is one of the most complex ordeals of implementing X toolkits, window managers, and even simple applications. It's so difficult, that many of the benefits just aren't worth the hassle of compliance. And when one program doesn't comply, it screws up other programs. This is the reason cut-and-paste never works properly with X (unless you are cutting and pasting straight ASCII text), drag-and-drop locks up the system, colormaps flash wildly and are never installed at the right time, keyboard focus lags behind the cursor, keys go to the wrong window, and deleting a popup window can quit the whole application. If you want to write an interoperable ICCCM compliant application, you have to crossbar test it with every other application, and with all possible window managers, and then plead with the vendors to fix their problems in the next release.
>In summary, ICCCM is a technological disaster: a toxic waste dump of broken protocols, backward compatibility nightmares, complex nonsolutions to obsolete nonproblems, a twisted mass of scabs and scar tissue intended to cover up the moral and intellectual depravity of the industry's standard naked emperor.
>Using these toolkits is like trying to make a bookshelf out of mashed potatoes. - Jamie Zawinski