Ask HN: wrist pain
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About 4 years ago, I was 22 at the time, I started experiencing pain in my right wrist and forearm. Once the pain became unbearable, I started using the mouse with my left hand. Almost immediately I experienced pain in my left wrist and forearm. Initially I thought it was Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. I went to physical therapy 3 times a week for about 6 months with little or no benefit. I started reading books on RSI, trigger points, and myofascial pain. I was afraid that I would need to switch careers (I'm a programmer). My attitude towards work changed drastically and my want to use a computer outside of work became nil. I started cutting out of work early and going to more meetings. I did anything that would keep me away from the computer. Driving became painful. I had to quit lifting weights and playing sports since they worsened the pain. I then saw a surgeon who (you guessed it) said I needed surgery on my forearms. I left his office confused and psychologically broken. I decided surgery would be my last resort and I would try any noninvasive approach. I enrolled in physical therapy (different therapist) for another 3 months and stopped going. This round of therapy was actually making the pain and numbness worse. I tried wrist braces which also made the pain worse. My wife found a myofasical treatment center in Chicago (http://www.myopain.com/). After my 1 hour visit, the intensity of the pain decreased. I left armed with the knowledge to treat my pain. That was almost 2 years ago and I have been virtually pain free. I had a week where the pain started coming back about 6 months ago. I went back in for another hour appointment and she diagnosed my problem again. So to sum things up:
* I started experiencing pain in my wrists and forearms about 4 years ago
* After 6 months, the pain became so intense I started working less and avoided my computer as much as possible
* Went to physical therapy where they misdiagnosed my problem
* Stopped physical therapy after 6 months or so
* Was recommended to a surgeon who (big surprise) wanted to do surgery.
* Tried a different physical therapist
* Tried wrist braces
* Went to the myo pain center in Chicago http://www.myopain.com/
* I was able to treat myself after a 1 hour visit at the myopain center * Went from being able to work on a computer unbearably 35 hours a week to 70+ virtually pain free (when I worked for a YC startup)
* I now work from home and have made some ergonomic changes that have also helped:
The top of my monitor is at eye level.
I use a trackball and the Microsoft 4000 ergonomic keyboard.
I got an overstuffed thick pillow which helped support my neck when sleeping on my side.
I use this book to find and treat the trigger points: http://www.amazon.com/Trigger-Point-Therapy-Workbook-Self-Tr...
* I started experiencing pain in my wrists and forearms about 4 years ago
* After 6 months, the pain became so intense I started working less and avoided my computer as much as possible
* Went to physical therapy where they misdiagnosed my problem
* Stopped physical therapy after 6 months or so
* Was recommended to a surgeon who (big surprise) wanted to do surgery.
* Tried a different physical therapist
* Tried wrist braces
* Went to the myo pain center in Chicago http://www.myopain.com/
* I was able to treat myself after a 1 hour visit at the myopain center * Went from being able to work on a computer unbearably 35 hours a week to 70+ virtually pain free (when I worked for a YC startup)
* I now work from home and have made some ergonomic changes that have also helped:
The top of my monitor is at eye level.
I use a trackball and the Microsoft 4000 ergonomic keyboard.
I got an overstuffed thick pillow which helped support my neck when sleeping on my side.
I use this book to find and treat the trigger points: http://www.amazon.com/Trigger-Point-Therapy-Workbook-Self-Tr...
Thanks for that - I'll definitely give that book a look.
* Went from being able to work on a computer unbearably 35 hours a week to 70+ virtually pain free (when I worked for a YC startup)
That's definitely encouraging. At the moment I can manage about 40 hours a week. Any more than that (like I'm doing at the moment) and the pain comes back :(
* Went from being able to work on a computer unbearably 35 hours a week to 70+ virtually pain free (when I worked for a YC startup)
That's definitely encouraging. At the moment I can manage about 40 hours a week. Any more than that (like I'm doing at the moment) and the pain comes back :(
Bizarrely, the flat Apple keyboards are the nicest and least RSI-inducing keyboards I've ever used.
In 2003 I started experiencing wrist pain when using mouse. As it became unbearable, this is what I did:
- Went to see a doctor, without any results
- Switched mouse from right to left hand. It took around 10 days to come to speed with left hand.
- Right wrist continued to be painful as soon as I get a mouse with it. It took around 4 years to be able to take mouse with it without pain.
Recently I started to use mouse with right hand again and problem didn't reappear yet.
I am also more aware of the way how I handle the mouse - try not to use a ot of force when handling mouse. Switch to wireless mouse, for example.
Recently I started to use mouse with right hand again and problem didn't reappear yet.
I am also more aware of the way how I handle the mouse - try not to use a ot of force when handling mouse. Switch to wireless mouse, for example.
When I tried switching the mouse to my left hand I just started getting pain in my left hand too! I found switching to a trackball mouse has helped a lot, as has using an ergonomic keyboard without a number pad on the right hand side. I use one of these at work: http://www.goldtouch.com/p-65-goldtouch-adjustable-keyboard-...
I too developed really bad wrist pain - mine was from too much autocad and solidworks.
My secrets were to: 1. Use a good chair and keyboard tray. always. 2. train my left hand to mouse and switch off 3. use an upright mouse. http://www.evoluent.com/ It's a little expensive, but it's a good product. I now have one for each hand so i can switch off everyone once in a while. 4. Also - wean yourself off the little mouse scroll wheel. Use window zooming for cad and hold down the middle button to scroll on web pages.
My secrets were to: 1. Use a good chair and keyboard tray. always. 2. train my left hand to mouse and switch off 3. use an upright mouse. http://www.evoluent.com/ It's a little expensive, but it's a good product. I now have one for each hand so i can switch off everyone once in a while. 4. Also - wean yourself off the little mouse scroll wheel. Use window zooming for cad and hold down the middle button to scroll on web pages.
I have had a bone graft on my right wrist from an injury when I was younger and find using a mouse for long periods of time quite awkward.
The best solution I have found is to use a Wacom tablet instead of a mouse. Using a writing implement is far better for my wrist than anything else I have tried (wrist rests, trackball).
The best solution I have found is to use a Wacom tablet instead of a mouse. Using a writing implement is far better for my wrist than anything else I have tried (wrist rests, trackball).
My "other" answers were:
Switched mouse to left (sub-dominant) hand.
Keyboard with "trackpoint" pointing device.
Dvorak keyboard layout, with caps-lock as an additional control key.
Prefer keyboard-driven software (bash shell, tiling window manager, vim text editor, QuickSilver and Gnome Do launchers, etc.).
Switched mouse to left (sub-dominant) hand.
Keyboard with "trackpoint" pointing device.
Dvorak keyboard layout, with caps-lock as an additional control key.
Prefer keyboard-driven software (bash shell, tiling window manager, vim text editor, QuickSilver and Gnome Do launchers, etc.).
All my (transient) hand and wrist pains have gone away since I started doing pushups, crawling, pullups, etc. I think they were just weak, not an RSI problem.
Get a pair of $3 sport wristbands to keep your wrist joints warm and flexible.
make sure you don't bend your wrist when typing and you have proper keyboard form
I injured a great many tendons and ligaments in my dominant hand/arm/upper quadrant of my torso (right upper extremity) while taking tennis in college at age 19. I had crippling pain on and off for many years. I got quite good at mousing left-handed and did that any time my right hand was just not functional. With getting myself generally healthier, my tendon problems have also cleared up.
I did "feed" my tendons for some years by taking gelatin as a supplement. That helped but didn't cure the problem. I have concluded that that there is infection involved and that killing infection is essentially what resolved my problem. I now wipe my key board and mouse down with peroxide every single day at the start of the workday, in part to help keep this problem from coming back.
I did "feed" my tendons for some years by taking gelatin as a supplement. That helped but didn't cure the problem. I have concluded that that there is infection involved and that killing infection is essentially what resolved my problem. I now wipe my key board and mouse down with peroxide every single day at the start of the workday, in part to help keep this problem from coming back.
I'm working on a proposition for an inovation competition at work which is styled after the Dragon's Den TV shows (we develop an idea and get to pitch it to the CEO etc). Our entry is a product which aims to reduce the chances of you developing wrist pain while using a computer, and to reduce the suffering of those who already have wrist pain. We would like to get a better idea of how people currently deal with this issue, so we've set up a quick survey (link at the end) and would appreciate it if you could help us by filling it out.
Secondly, as I suffer from wrist pain, I was wondering if there are any of you out there in HN land who also suffer. How do you deal with it? Does it affect your ability to run or work for a startup?
Thanks.
Survey link:
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=JQn_2fz7zs_2ff7Dkdcp_2bP_2beNQ_3d_3d