That is not true in most people’s experience judging from previous HN threads unfortunately.
Generally one or two contributors are breaking their balls doing all the work and due to a schooling created desire to inpress others are just being taken advantage of.
Then thousands of freeloaders and cheerleaders riding on their back who are not even willing to donate $2 to the project demand more and more shit
Eventually the contributors eventually burning out and seeing how stupid the entire thing is (I.e no longer caring what these people say or think of the project) and the project suddenly gets abandoned
Two dudes creating something from a place of ego satisfaction and thousands of cheerleaders taking advantage of them is not a community
Ok but a “plants only” diet is not a sustainable or natural diet for humans. Humans are not currently enmasse eating a carnivore diet either.
So you are putting forward the argument and problem - that we are currently omnivores and we should not be eating meat , due to environmental concerns and because it lowers the quantity of food we can produce overall.
You are saying it would be better if we all became vegans, so that higher quantities of food could be produced.
You think this is the solution.
The problem with going to an extreme position like you have done is that people will overall get sick from this unnatural diet.
We see thousands of people on Reddit have cured their “incurable auto immune” diseases by going carnivore and not ingesting any plants. After they previously ate too much plants and damaging their intestinal lining resulting in natural plant toxins created by plants to stop insects eating them , pesticides , fungicides, herbicides , glysophate etc leaking from the gut into their blood causing the cykotine response by the immune system and a build up of these toxins around the body (joints mostly with specifically it being the knees for rheumatoid arthritis and such).
Meat is clean of toxins as like in our own body , the animals bodies keep the blood clean of it , any toxins in the blood would cause the animal itself to get sick.
This is not the case at all regarding plants which are full of an assortment of toxins.
We have proof from thousands of individual case reports and published medical papers now that plants are making people sick. The medical establishment simply has not yet put all the findings together or discussed it properly.
Have some common sense. Vegans are sickly, weak and over time they turn into cucks (our personality
Is just a manifestation of our physical state). Carnivores are strong, fit predators.
You’re talking about marketing problems , that’s a real marketing problem for you. Try selling this vegan and bugs diet to the masses. These are secondary problems (marketing) that don’t really have a place in our discussion.
The aquaculture needed to produce seaweed has to be a net benefit now?
Net zero is not satanic enough?
It is odd that you are so
hellbent on finding additional problems and moving the goalposts on this. When billions of people in the world are starving.
Seaweed is one of the the easiest and fastest growing organisms in the world and there have been many threads here pushing for it to even be used as food for humans.
I think most here can see the people pushing climate problems keep moving the goal posts and seem hallbent on just making it more difficult to produce food.
When we post solutions to their problems to areas of a well rounded discussion, they enter into a backs against the wall mindset , posting paragraphs and paragraphs back to us with any wacky counter arguments and not picking of the solution they can think of.
In this thread it was “we don’t have enough seaweed” and then they went trawling the internet for opinion pieces to try and back themselves up and reply within minutes.
A person with good intentions and who was genuinely interested in solving the problem would take more time and research papers that support and go against the solution and make a more balanced response to the good news they were given.
There are billions of people starving in this world. The parent comment is correct to question the motives of these people. I get the impression these people are dressing up satanism or communism as green policies. The same smell we all get when people push absurb woke policies.
You sound like a shill from snopes.com with your “debunk” argument. If you have already proved this to be “debunked” (please use the correct word - false) then copy and paste your findings here and provide citations
You are certainly putting in a lot of effort in this discussion and I thank you for that. I would prefer a discussion done in good faith however.
I say that only as it seems you have added paragraphs in all of your previous comments to retroactively protect yourself from points I later raised in my replies and you also seem to have deleted your paragraph that enough seaweed was not being produced and so you believe the problem is not solved.
Seaweed production is in line with current demand. When the market places enough pressure on Farmers to adopt the solution then seaweed production will naturally increase. Seaweed is one of the easiest and fastest growing organisms in the world.
Your most recent arguments regarding Marketing etc being a problem. You are scraping the barrel now looking for problems.
A little difficult to parse your argument. It is the lack of implementation of the cheap solution that you are worried about and raising as a problem.
Do not worry.
When enough pressure is applied on the farmers thanks to people like you , the solution (seaweed) we have found will be implemented. We have already done the difficult part and found a solution to the problem.
We can phrase anything in a negative light. Food which fuels 100% of Denmark’s population causes only 33% of Denmark’s emissions. This is a wonderful achievement.
Sorry to double post this but you can think of it as being similar to a human taking a cheap charcoal tablet with their food to reduce flatulance.
Only a small part of the animals feed needs to be seaweed and thankfully it is one of the easiest and fastest growing organisms on the planet. So it’s extremely cheap for the industry to adopt compared to losses related to carbon taxes and loss of market share.
You can think of it as similar to a human taking a cheap charcoal tablet with their food to reduce flatulance. They will not take such a tablet until they are aware they have gastritis. When enough pressure is applied the solution will be implemented.
Only a small part of the animals feed needs to be seaweed and thankfully it is one of the easiest and fastest growing organisms on the planet. So it’s extremely cheap for the industry to adopt the solution when compared to facing losses related to carbon taxes and loss of market share.
Thank you for raising this valid issue. Ruminant methane output has been reduced by 98.8% with the addition of a compound from seaweed to the animals food. You are a small bit behind the science but thanks to people like you raising awareness we solved the problem!
Why would producers go beyond the FDA legal requirement? Would they not be brought to bankruptcy by the free market for doing such things?
I believe you don’t think through anything you say if you can say something as foolish as that.
Companies already do not go beyond the standard required by the FDA when they were use sugar derived from wheat in their products.
This “sugar” makes people who are very sensitive to gluten very ill and uncertain as to what foods are genuinely safe.
The FDA do not require companies to put labels on the food stating it’s derived from wheat. They don’t have to label the food as containing wheat or gluten.
Yet the food for example sweets where 80% of its composition may come directly from sugar “derived from” (and so
is) wheat basically and contaminated are just labelled as containing sugar.
I don’t think any gluten intolerant person wants to be chewing on mouthfuls of partial wheat or have all of their foods wrapped in similar materials
The FDA will gaslight them and hand wave it a away saying that they can’t reliably test levels below a certain threshold and they’re being selfish as micro plastics are harming the 99.9% (which is bs)