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Ask HN: Applying to jobs. How to negotiate a salary for less pay, to min wage?

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Ask HN: How to avoid patent infringement/patent trolls?

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ditherblur
·4 年前·議論
> I AM WILLING TO WORK FOR $65K/YR FOR A 40-HR WORK WEEK.

I wish it were that easy lol. But then you always get the actual bad jobs flooding you for cheap work (and the good jobs always think it's like a joke).

> 4-day work week companies, Nonprofits, Smaller family-oriented companies like smaller web agencies that pay a fraction of what a typical megacorp would pay

Good ideas, I honestly have been waiting for job postings to open up at the local library since that would be nice enough too but I really like SWE work and want to stay, just like you know, in a "de-stress" way while stilling having the structure, connections, and growth environment that the high pay jobs maintain.
ditherblur
·4 年前·議論
> > I'm writing this at 3 am

> Because who in their right mind thinks "minimum wage people are having it great, they're the ones treated the best by their employers".

I agree with you, that's why I didn't want to try and go for actual current min wage jobs. They always feel hectic and lack the structure that the higher paid jobs have that I love. I know min wage isn't ideal for many, if any but for my personal lifestyle, it would be more enough right now.
ditherblur
·4 年前·議論
> if you go for the salary angle, you'll most likely come across weird and probably won't get the job at all.

You're right, that's why I've never voiced the idea in practice but I wish I could somehow. Even if companies couldn't adjust expectations than at least the hiring process would be easier, given a pool of the same quality of applicants, you'd pick the cheapest one. And during downsizing, in another pool of same quality applicants, you let go the pricer ones go first.

Thanks for the comment, I gotta try and brainstorm ways to better pitch this feeling without people immediately think it's a scam.

> Look for companies/teams that are super chilled out in general (they exist like you said);

that's the plan but I feeling like tech is going to take a big hit in the coming economic downturn and just wish I could turn my willingness to work for lower pay into a competitive advantage
ditherblur
·4 年前·議論
> but this idea seems like it will have the opposite result.

that's what I was thinking and made this post to flesh out my ideas/feelings better.

> Why minimum wage, specifically?

because of what the other commenter mentioned, the race to the bottom and I figured that min wage would be the "bottom" at least for jobs that stay in my state and aren't outsourced in the near future.

Still trying to flesh out the ideas, thank you for the question.

> If you are really worth 120k+

going to trying to brainstorm a way to explain/reason why better
ditherblur
·4 年前·議論
That's why I mentioned min wage. You're right about the race to the bottom, and I feel pretty pessemtic about the future since if you don't have to stay in the US, the incentives really are there to outsource. But I know outsourcing isn't reasonable or posibble for everyone so there always be work that has to get done here, and at least in my state, it'll be at the lowest for min wage.

I don't have a better explanation for "calmer" for now besides what I wrote about being hired faster/less likely to be fired/put under performance review or something like. I'm still trying to brainstorm the ideas in a better way and I don't want it to be specific to any particular job. (What would "calmer" look like for a full stack web developer? a product manager? a system designer? It doesn't matter but I still have to find a better way to explain it in general, maybe slower/low-stress is a better word but it always ends up as a fuzzy term that doesn't lend itself well for explaining how it's any different than regular work)
ditherblur
·4 年前·議論
"An Ounce of Prevention Is Worth A Pound of Cure."

That's what I used to think but post like this make me feel otherwise. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27579693

(OP in that post was "a one person company")
ditherblur
·4 年前·議論
Thank you for the notary idea! I been keeping everything in a paper notebook but never thought about having it notarized. Going to try and find free notary places near me or pay for it seems a quick search shows you can even get something notarized for as little as $25 online. Have to read more into that (how to properly write such notes/docs), thank you again.
ditherblur
·4 年前·議論
I been reading into that, willful patent infringement vs unintentional. I been trying my best to get into the "why your approach is different" bucket but there's so much reading to do in the first place that it still feels risky. The first thing I want to do is get patent infringement insurance but like the issue with getting a lawyer, costs. It's too much money to bootstrap, especially with the looming recession. There's so many people just building projects in Show HN, there must be an approach they're doing beyond just winging it and hoping a lawsuit doesn't land in their inbox.
ditherblur
·4 年前·議論
I'm near NYC and I see rates going for $900/hr but I also saw a few near me going for $200 but quality would prolly vary a lot. I know this is why companies have whole IP departments because it's just cheaper to have them in house but still $200 is a lot for when you're bootstrapping and it could go for more important things like server costs to scale.

> I wouldn't stop creating things. It's possible to change something in response to a legal challenge.

Could you expand more on change? I feel like there's still a lot of risk since that's assuming they're nice enough to just send an angry email but maybe they decide to seek damages and so on where the whole bootstrapped business dies and all the effort goes down the drain but I'm almost prolly just overly anxious since the chances of that happening is lower.