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First Waymo self-driving car experience for Bay Area reporter [video]

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1 ポイント·投稿者 oldmapgallery·3 年前·0 コメント

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oldmapgallery
·2 年前·議論
Great freaking work. Have been waiting for someone to do something like this for years.

We also would have some inputs on some of the short-lived territories in the U.S. West that were important and had a role in later regional development. How much do we need to substantiate the addition of a specific territory to the project? Aside from the "lost state of Franklin", there were territories like Jefferson/Colona, Huron, Lincoln, Shoshone and a number of others that pop up from the late 1850's up to the 1890's.
oldmapgallery
·2 年前·議論
Yes, Tufte did much to popularize the Minard map related to Napoleon, but there were map dealers that had been intrigued by it and discussing it for quite a while prior to that. Those discussions can leak into academia and pollinate a whole new batch of discussions.

Virality as part of the ebb and flow of popular culture is interesting. But, we find it as interesting when an old map will somehow drift through the pace layers of culture and become a discussion point. That resurfacing of an older map could allude to deeper issues and mechanisms that are ongoing.

Have been intrigued to watch Hornaday's Bison extermination map surface in discussion. https://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~3...

You see those dwindling circles of Bison population and it hits you that not only could this be reoccurring, but perhaps the disappearance of other species could have similar cascading reactions. Some have pointed out that with the loss of the primary food source of the Bison, friction with settlers escalated quickly. It also had huge impacts in the soil of the West. Maybe the dust bowl wouldn't have been as cataclysmic. ---- Unfortunately we're concerned that even viral maps can be lost over time. They become dead links. And somehow even the wonderful people at Internet Archive can't save everything. This is part of why we push cartographers we know to print something they've done at the end of each year. Paper is astoundingly enduring. If there was one map that you did and it resonates with you, please print it out. Build a small portfolio of hard copies over the next few years. Your work is worth printing!
oldmapgallery
·2 年前·議論
Was tremendously intrigued to see Marcou's name and position on the topic that came up in this discussion. He's a titan in historical geology. But I can't think of any early maps that identify this people group or mountain range. Especially early on (16th -17th century). Solid, reliable depictions of the Central American interior come late, many in the late 18th and early 19th century. Identifying people groups was pretty darned important. Think to those early maps for New England, identifying people groups were as abundant as placenames and detailed landform. Take the Blaeu for New England, abundant in native peoples... https://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~3...

I appreciate Marcou's map (1890) being a historical recreation of that region of Nicaragua, but I would have expected this tribal name to be an anchoring notation throughout early maps of the region from the beginning. But maybe I'm missing something.
oldmapgallery
·3 年前·議論
Just wanted to put your fears and concerns at ease, if I could.

Have interacted with Mr Rumsey for at least thirty years, and have always admired his humility, scholarship and efforts. Genuinely he's had an interest in cartography and history that has always had both breadth and depth. Have always been impressed by his desire to learn and to also invite people into the discussion. I think his efforts online have provided invaluable resources, by making high resolution scans available for free, without a catch (no need for an email, or account to use). Have met plenty of teachers that download his maps for class discussion and decoration too.

As for "create/alter" online data... that would be incredible, and the only instances I've bumped into of misattributed or faked maps have been a few things on r/mapporn years ago, which could easily be debunked with some research.

Should say too, if you ever want to truly experience the maps and all the resources available, if you find yourself in the Bay Area, take time to wander down to Stanford, there are thousands upon thousands of these maps available for you to review in person. And the staff are just as nice and smart as Mr Rumsey.

Hope this helps.