tarere · HackerTrans

Yes sure, you can test all that you want, even on billions on people and write thousands of studies. That's what they are doing right now. But you can't buy time for your studies, do you understand that ? If the average period for studying long term effect is 5 to 10 years for a vaccine, how do you do that with a 6 month old vaccine ? People are losing their mind, even rational educated people are throwing away any critical thinking to embrace the rainbow rhetoric, this is a collective hysteria crisis.

tarere

5 年前議論

> "Orbán is a cancer on Europe"

Orbán too little "woke" ? One would say "EU is a cancer for european nations and people", I strongly think that this techno-totalitarist institution is on the brink of total collapse. Brexit first, Hungary, Poland, I sure hope France is next with our "startup nation" CEO.

French people voted NO to EU in 2005, it was forced upon us. You may argue as much as you want EU and its supra-national institutions are not a democratic process.

If EU was good for Europe, US would not have set it up back in the days. Everything is about power. Before it was power of nations, now it is obviously power from a selected few over the mass, supra-national oligarchy.

tarere

5 年前議論

>"Is this "mostly" qualifier not the dangerous front end of misinformation and vaccine hesitancy? "

I do not understand. HN forum are places where "question everything" should be the norm, especially about science, and more especially about health when so much money is at stake.

It seems we are in a religious quest, with virtue signaling signs everywhere, to laudate the vaccine COVID-19 miracle. Everything is "magic". Somehow one could make a parallel with the state of the economy and the stock market. We are printing our way to prosperity as we are saving the world with "methode Coué" and of course brutal coercition (mandatory vaccination at state level).

What part of "you can not buy time" don't you understand ?

You may throw billions, no, trillions, quadrillons, bazillions to all the Silicon Valleys startups and brains to developp a vaccine in a matter of months ; but you can not buy a 3, 5, 10 years study with this money. You can't even buy one month or one second, you just have to wait, this is life and bio-trans-human thinking still can't and never will overcome nature, space and time.

So you might be "mostly" confident about the vaccine, I would say that this is the absolute maximum optimism best case scenario adjective you can use. Moderna, Pfizer sure are, "risk big, win big".

But we'll have to wait a few years more to completely assert something like "safe and effective" for the COVID vaccines, that is not a fact anybody can deny.

tarere

5 年前議論

I was speaking of the HN page discussion, but it seems my search on Firefox is completely broken, so I withdraw my mention of no vaccine reference, but I stand to be commented on the subject.

tarere

5 年前議論

I will address the elephant in the room on this one.

168 comments so far, I did a research for word "vaccine" in the page, not a single result. So I assume this has not been discussed despite the current situation we are living right now.

I've just read 2 articles about Moderna in general and Bancel in particular : https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-07-14/moderna-m... And Vanity Fair, unfortunatly in french https://www.vanityfair.fr/pouvoir/business/story/stephane-ba...

This is a frightenning read as we people in France are being literraly forced by our gouvernement to be vaccinated (Moderna, Pfizer) or be socially terminated.

I did not know, I'm pretty sure 99,99% of people also don't, that Moderna did not release a single product before 2020 and it "all in" bet in the Covid Vaccine with up to 1 billion funding from operation warp speed. Moderna was sometimes refered as the next Theranos. His leader fits clearly in the sociopath territory of Silicon Valley tranhsumanist billionnaires. "risk very big, win very big" is his mantra, this man wants to vaccinate billions of people annualy (read article please).

More, if you read those two articles, you could change Vaccine by any software product and you would have a typical business article about a Silicon Valley startup. This is frightening to death to think that this technology "software vaccine" is to be used on the whole population with only a few month of study and, worse, with "forced consentment" on populations.

Guess what happens when money conflict with health.

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