Ask HN: How Wordpress can help startups/MVPs?
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WordPress is a content management system. Content is where it shines. If your SaaS is mostly content presentation, WordPress will work just fine thanks to its wide array of plugins.
For my new book notification service app http://anynewbooks.com, I took a hybrid approach. The frontend is WordPress (in need of a makeover) while I wrote the backend in Rails since no plugin could replicate the functionalities I needed.
I took this approach because I wanted a proof of concept and threw it together in a matter of days. 7 years later is still standing. So I don't regret it and I think relying on WordPress is a valid option. Developers might frown upon your choice, but that should be the least of your concerns.
That said, when I finally manage to rewrite the app (I know, I know) I will likely go with an app from scratch (e.g., probably in something like Elixir/Phoenix or Clojure) in order to customize the app to my liking with no bloat from features I don't need.
Ultimately, you have this option too. You can start with WordPress, validate your idea, and if you run into limitations you can't live with, you can then switch to an app from scratch.
For my new book notification service app http://anynewbooks.com, I took a hybrid approach. The frontend is WordPress (in need of a makeover) while I wrote the backend in Rails since no plugin could replicate the functionalities I needed.
I took this approach because I wanted a proof of concept and threw it together in a matter of days. 7 years later is still standing. So I don't regret it and I think relying on WordPress is a valid option. Developers might frown upon your choice, but that should be the least of your concerns.
That said, when I finally manage to rewrite the app (I know, I know) I will likely go with an app from scratch (e.g., probably in something like Elixir/Phoenix or Clojure) in order to customize the app to my liking with no bloat from features I don't need.
Ultimately, you have this option too. You can start with WordPress, validate your idea, and if you run into limitations you can't live with, you can then switch to an app from scratch.
I've given a talk on using WordPress for rapidly developing SaaS app MVPs. You can watch it here:
https://wordpress.tv/2017/06/05/corey-maass-rapid-web-app-de...
It's great for certain types of apps, and solves a lot of the first 90% of your app out of the box (user management, marketing pages, etc). So you can concentrate on solving the core problem your app is trying to solve. As mentioned in other comments, you might run into scaling issues over time, but that too depends on the app.
I've built a couple dozen apps on WordPress, some of them have grown beyond MVP and are going strong. Let me know if you have any specific questions.
It's great for certain types of apps, and solves a lot of the first 90% of your app out of the box (user management, marketing pages, etc). So you can concentrate on solving the core problem your app is trying to solve. As mentioned in other comments, you might run into scaling issues over time, but that too depends on the app.
I've built a couple dozen apps on WordPress, some of them have grown beyond MVP and are going strong. Let me know if you have any specific questions.
Would love to know more about these actual examples and see how these work.
A good examples is Timerdoro.com which uses custom post types to manage objects and social signin for rapid on-boarding. I would not build that by hand.
Another new site is plugindirectory.info. The core of the app talks to an api and charts the results. It took me about 20 hours to build. I didn't have to create pages, user management (registration etc), curl calls, db schema, and so much else. The core of the app took a couple hours, then I just concentrated on the code that actually makes the app.
Another new site is plugindirectory.info. The core of the app talks to an api and charts the results. It took me about 20 hours to build. I didn't have to create pages, user management (registration etc), curl calls, db schema, and so much else. The core of the app took a couple hours, then I just concentrated on the code that actually makes the app.
Thanks for taking the time to answer. Appreciate it. :)
Sure. Email me through gelform.com if you want to discuss more.
I actually saw your talk and found it really helpful. Thanks for sharing :)
Sorry, I should have been more specific. After some googling...SaaS + WordPress sounds interesting to me. So, I want to explore how SaaS startups can leverage this framework. Since wp is open source and startups have to operate on a shoe-string budget, it would be interesting to know how one can build a SaaS with WordPress. Are there any real-world, existing examples for this. Thanks.
There are some examples out there. (see links below)
I would recommend only using Wordpress for the public facing website or blog though.
Use Rails or Laravel for the actual SaaS application.
WP is difficult to work with when you start moving beyond CMS features. Also WP has ongoing security issues.
Rails and Laravel are made for building apps, is easier to work with and more secure. Also checkout Laravel Spark, it's a SaaS App in a box and can save you tons of time.
Definitely possible to build it directly in WP, but I wouldn't recommend it.
https://raison.co/building-saas-startup-wordpress/
https://www.dtelepathy.com/blog/products/wordpress-saas-appl...
https://www.npgroup.net/blog/4-reasons-you-should-reconsider...
I would recommend only using Wordpress for the public facing website or blog though.
Use Rails or Laravel for the actual SaaS application.
WP is difficult to work with when you start moving beyond CMS features. Also WP has ongoing security issues.
Rails and Laravel are made for building apps, is easier to work with and more secure. Also checkout Laravel Spark, it's a SaaS App in a box and can save you tons of time.
Definitely possible to build it directly in WP, but I wouldn't recommend it.
https://raison.co/building-saas-startup-wordpress/
https://www.dtelepathy.com/blog/products/wordpress-saas-appl...
https://www.npgroup.net/blog/4-reasons-you-should-reconsider...
It depends on the SAAS and what they are trying to do. Do you have an example?
If it revolves around:
1. Serving content
2. Selling things (on a small scale)
then wordpress would be a good platform. However if you're looking to build a SAAS that does more than that and requires custom models, interfacing with different technologies on the back end etc. then you're in for a world of hurt trying to conform wordpress. You're much better going with a framework like Laravel.
Wordpress is a good tool if your use case falls within the WP core or available plugin ecosystem.
If it revolves around:
1. Serving content
2. Selling things (on a small scale)
then wordpress would be a good platform. However if you're looking to build a SAAS that does more than that and requires custom models, interfacing with different technologies on the back end etc. then you're in for a world of hurt trying to conform wordpress. You're much better going with a framework like Laravel.
Wordpress is a good tool if your use case falls within the WP core or available plugin ecosystem.
I started http://www.apnijobs.pk on WordPress just to validate the idea and later move to custom code. 14 years down the line, it is still on WP :)
Lean startups should always find ways to minimize costs and use an efficient way to market products. Wordpress could be very helpful if used correctly
There are millions of different ways:
You can do your landing pages in WP and easily integrate with newsletter pop-ups and all the other growth hack tricks.
If you have a SaaS you can run the whole subscription system (accounts, billing, renewals, etc.) using WooCommerce.
You can sell digital downloads of your software using WooCommerce.
You can keep your user-facing documentation in WP.
There are plugins for turning WordPress into a CRM so you can track your leads/sales.
etc.
The possibilities are literally limitless.