Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown(blog.bolt.io)
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Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown
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I hated the Logitech driver, it's been a complete dumpster fire -- constantly disconnecting, disabling certain functionality, and just overall a pain to fight. Ended up switching to SteerMouse, the developer's been crazy responsive and even went out of the way to work on MX Master 3 compatibility + support Smart Zoom functionality when it wasn't even previously up for consideration.
I haven't heard about SteerMouse in over a decade. I didn't realize it was still around. I should check it out.
I have to use it because Apple, in it's infinite wisdom, does not offer the option to disable pointer acceleration in osx. Which is infuriating.
FYI: the free SteelSeries ExactMouse tool does this, and only this, and should work with all mice supported by Apple's built-in driver.
Logitech software is a dumpster fire. For a while there it would start and go to 170-190% CPU and just burn until it was killed.
I share your experience and frustration.
I share your experience and frustration.
Logi Options Daemon uses 4% CPU on a 2017 15" MacBook Pro while my MX Master 2S is moving. I wonder wtf it's doing the whole time.
Sending your cursor position to DynamoDB
Companion software for hardware accessories has historically been terrible. I can't recall an instance where I wanted to keep companion apps besides drivers running in the background.
Whenever possible I would only open them for as long as I needed to configure something, then killed the process if it wasn't necessary.
Thankfully on the Mac I haven't encountered a need for those yet.
Whenever possible I would only open them for as long as I needed to configure something, then killed the process if it wasn't necessary.
Thankfully on the Mac I haven't encountered a need for those yet.
I'm so glad linux usually contains reverse engineered drivers that are open source so everything just works out of the box with logitech.
It really is quite incredible the unrewarded, often thankless (except that which we're doing now) effort that must go into that.
I had an issue recently with missing drivers for a network card (my fault, I deleted the kernel modules, it had been and now is again working), and it just made me think exactly what you're saying, how glad I am that someone's provided this.
I had an issue recently with missing drivers for a network card (my fault, I deleted the kernel modules, it had been and now is again working), and it just made me think exactly what you're saying, how glad I am that someone's provided this.
I’d include Razer in the dumpster fire pile. In my estimation, the custom drivers of most HID products seem to be as bad as printer drivers back in the late 1990s/early 2000s. Actually worse because of all the RGB nonsense and cloud bullshit.
I use a razer orbweaver as a macro keyboard, and even though its still for sale it doesn't work with the current version of Synapse. So if you have an orbweaver and another peripheral, you need to run both synapse 2 and 3.
Instead I just stopped buying razer products.
Instead I just stopped buying razer products.
This is why I’m using a $10 anker vertical mouse with whatever defaults drivers windows finds. Cuts right thought the bloat. Also works on Linux/OS X.
You can remap all G502 buttons to HID mouse button events, just not using any Logitech-supplied software.
Fortunately, these mappings are persistent, so reconfiguring the mouse from a Linux VM, once and for all, was, for me at least, a reasonable alternative.
Unfortunately, the mappings are sufficiently persistent that I don't remember the name of the Linux (command-line) utility that I used several years ago to configure my G502, but a quick Google search suggests the Piper[1] GUI app may be up to the task.
Caveat: if you ever plan on using the mouse with Windows, bear in mind that the Windows HID mouse driver only directly supports buttons 1–5 (though I have observed that the remainder do generate events in the underlying driver stack, so you could hypothetically work around this limitation by writing a filter driver to remap the events, assuming no such driver currently exists).
[1] https://github.com/libratbag/piper/
Fortunately, these mappings are persistent, so reconfiguring the mouse from a Linux VM, once and for all, was, for me at least, a reasonable alternative.
Unfortunately, the mappings are sufficiently persistent that I don't remember the name of the Linux (command-line) utility that I used several years ago to configure my G502, but a quick Google search suggests the Piper[1] GUI app may be up to the task.
Caveat: if you ever plan on using the mouse with Windows, bear in mind that the Windows HID mouse driver only directly supports buttons 1–5 (though I have observed that the remainder do generate events in the underlying driver stack, so you could hypothetically work around this limitation by writing a filter driver to remap the events, assuming no such driver currently exists).
[1] https://github.com/libratbag/piper/
The Logitech software for the MX mouse interferes with two-finger touchpad scrolling on my Surface Pro 3. I don't know how or why, but clearly they're doing something very wrong. I went years before I figured out that no, touchpad scrolling is not supposed to scroll three screens per millimetre.
omg! thank you so much. I was scratching my head about loss of two-finger scrolling and totally forgot about Logi software installed (Windows 10, hp elitebook 820g1)
cant the software settings be saved to mouse memory? thats the case with my mx and it works as configured between multiple machines
That is a very stupid way to design a mouse driver.
But this might help prevent accidental quits. Use the Keyboard System Settings to reassign the quit shortcut for the Logitech app from cmd-q to cmd-opt-q.
But this might help prevent accidental quits. Use the Keyboard System Settings to reassign the quit shortcut for the Logitech app from cmd-q to cmd-opt-q.
Try downloading "Logi Options", that is the newer logitech mac management software and it solves number 1 at least.
Yep. The Windows 10 software is dire. If I RDP into my desktop machine the mouse lights up like a damn Christmas tree and won’t stop until I physically unplug it.
It’s a cheap end G203 which I bought because it has a DPI switch on it so I can jump around easily when doing CAD stuff.
I have considered cracking it open and desoldering the LEDs.
It’s a cheap end G203 which I bought because it has a DPI switch on it so I can jump around easily when doing CAD stuff.
I have considered cracking it open and desoldering the LEDs.
The G203 has onboard memory (which also includes RGB light state / startup effect and DPI steps), so once you have your settings right you can just store the profile in the mouse and uninstall the software.
The latest version of the Logitech software (G HUB) doesn't make this feature obvious though, you have to set a local profile then click the gear icon > my gear > click the mouse image > switch on on-board memory mode > click Slot 1 (Default) > click replace with [the profile you just customized, usually Desktop (default.)
The old Logitech Gaming Software was much simpler in this regard.
The latest version of the Logitech software (G HUB) doesn't make this feature obvious though, you have to set a local profile then click the gear icon > my gear > click the mouse image > switch on on-board memory mode > click Slot 1 (Default) > click replace with [the profile you just customized, usually Desktop (default.)
The old Logitech Gaming Software was much simpler in this regard.
Ahha! Thank you for this. I will try this today.
Texas-sized 10-4 on that. I had to go find a windows PC and install thr software in order to configure the spinny wheel click stop tension thing because there was absolutely no way to do it in Linux. The default mode was infuriating.
For those interested, Logitech recently resurrected [1] their most famous mouse. The MX518. At least I was able to now buy it from retailers in Europe :) I love it. Could never get used to the more bulk Logitech mice such as the one in OP.
[1] https://www.techpowerup.com/review/logitech-g-mx518/
[1] https://www.techpowerup.com/review/logitech-g-mx518/
For MX518 lovers, I've got a strong recommendation for G400s. The shape is almost the same and it's amazing how durable it is. The cable issue is still there, just like in MX518, and eventually (I am guessing) that's the reason I'll have to switch to something else.
I've been using both of them for years and years. Amazing.
I've been using both of them for years and years. Amazing.
I prefer the G400s over the MX518 as I like the more grippy shell.
You can get cable replacement kits for the MX518/G400/G400s for $9 from eBay that includes new feet and a USB cable. So I'm really not worried about longevity.
P.S. You should take the mouse apart and clean it probably at least once per year. I cleaned my MX518 after about 5 years when the scroll stopped working consistently. I was shocked how much hair was on the inside, blocking the scroll sensor.
You can get cable replacement kits for the MX518/G400/G400s for $9 from eBay that includes new feet and a USB cable. So I'm really not worried about longevity.
P.S. You should take the mouse apart and clean it probably at least once per year. I cleaned my MX518 after about 5 years when the scroll stopped working consistently. I was shocked how much hair was on the inside, blocking the scroll sensor.
Yep. I just bought a new USB cable for mine myself, and switched to a spare I had.
I find I need to clean my scroll wheel maybe twice a year. It gets more stuck with gunk over time, and it becomes harder and harder to scroll.
I find I need to clean my scroll wheel maybe twice a year. It gets more stuck with gunk over time, and it becomes harder and harder to scroll.
Yes, this was my replacement mouse when I built a new computer and couldn't find another 518. It's a great wired mouse - this is one of those designs that just works.
>For MX518 lovers, I've got a strong recommendation for G400s.
but both are discontinued
but both are discontinued
That sounds right IIRC the g400 was the old mx518 but without the peely plastic skin issue. They stopped selling old mx518 and I ended up with the g400. Both mice seemed close enough to me. For some reason the g400 was only considered a spiritual successor.
The latest one makes my MacBook Pro emit an extremely annoying high pitched noise when moving. I think it’s due to the high refresh frequency of the mouse versus more traditional ones.
It sounds like a squeaky wheel or a squealing (real, animal) mouse.
Other mice do not cause this problem. I mask it out with noise canceling headphones but I’d love a nice mouse that doesn’t cause this behavior. I’ve tried ferrite loops but they do nothing.
It sounds like a squeaky wheel or a squealing (real, animal) mouse.
Other mice do not cause this problem. I mask it out with noise canceling headphones but I’d love a nice mouse that doesn’t cause this behavior. I’ve tried ferrite loops but they do nothing.
I have the same problem! What the hell is that? I've been mystified at that noise for ages.
Looks like a number of Logitech mice suffer from whine, though whether it's the same whine as parent is describing I do not know. Apparently caused by a poor choice of capacitor: https://jdc.koitsu.org/logitech/ (you'll have to scroll down a bit).
Oh huh, so it is the mouse... Thanks for the info!
Do you have an upgraded GPU? I think it’s the Radeon 560 in mine.
I have a desktop computer running Linux, I think the monitor is what's whining, but I'm not entirely sure.
You can turn down the polling rate of the mouse using the software.
Then the sensitivity goes down and you gotta compensate by increasing the sensitivity elsewhere. Can never get it quite right.
I still have a pair of G5 mice that I use at home and work. It’s good to see Logitech bringing back that design! Other than the MX Master 2S I carry around for mobile use, I’ve never had a mouse fit my grubby paws do perfectly.
Other than a cable replacement and a switch cleaning, both of those original G5’s are still perfectly operational after over a decade of regular use.
Other than a cable replacement and a switch cleaning, both of those original G5’s are still perfectly operational after over a decade of regular use.
Worth noting that even though the Logitech G502 looks very gamer-y, when you actually hold it, it feels like a G502/MX518.
Quite similar, but not exactly the same. The reissue of MX518 has a noticeable difference, too (using one right now, had 10 years of fun with the original one).
I had 3 of these mice over the years and each one eventually the cable would go bad/loose, I think including my G5, and I'm no fast twitch fps gamer. Looks like they changed he cable on this new one.
Ironically I switched to the MX series (multiple mx2 and mx2s, home/work) and I absolutely love them apart from the problems I used to have where they'd stutter on every OSX machine I used them on. I haven't had that problem in maybe a year, though. Logitech or OSX BT update maybe.
I can't go back to a non MX scroll wheel. I love it.
Ironically I switched to the MX series (multiple mx2 and mx2s, home/work) and I absolutely love them apart from the problems I used to have where they'd stutter on every OSX machine I used them on. I haven't had that problem in maybe a year, though. Logitech or OSX BT update maybe.
I can't go back to a non MX scroll wheel. I love it.
Are there any good mice with replaceable cable? I no longer buy keyboards without replaceable cable (usually mechanical), surely the same could be applied for mice, how would one combat obsolescence otherwise.
Aren't all cables replaceable if you have a soldering iron?
I meant swappable, i.e easily replaceable. A regular user would not solder a new cable, you go and buy a new mouse. For better keyboards it's slowly changing, why don't we see the same for mice then? SteelSeries was doing that, but it should be more common with standard usb connection cable.
Most decent mice already use a connector between the cable and the board, its just not designed to be hot swappable.
The cable finally wore out on my old Logitech G5 and I was able to order a replacement for a few dollars. I also had to replace the skids since they covered the screw holes. All it took was a screwdriver and five minutes.
The cable finally wore out on my old Logitech G5 and I was able to order a replacement for a few dollars. I also had to replace the skids since they covered the screw holes. All it took was a screwdriver and five minutes.
Oh, I see. Do new keyboards have a micro USB port and you can just get a new cable? I haven't seen this, but I've also never had a cable go bad on me so this isn't a problem I've had.
It’s the fidget spinner among mice. I use it mostly when working on windows where the Magic Trackpad isn’t really an option
There's a non-Apple driver for the trackpad that works reasonably well.
Do you happen to know what it's called? I was looking for this yesterday and couldn't find a good one with what I was Googling.
I pay $13/year for this: https://magicutilities.net/ They have a 30 day trial so you can test it out.
I tried the open source drivers on my MS Surface but I never got them to work.
I tried the open source drivers on my MS Surface but I never got them to work.
Same one mentioned in the other reply. It has an annoying subscription and bind-to-device thing. On the other hand, it's cheap and it works.
Wake me up when they resurrect their most famous trackball: The Trackman Marble FX.
The Logitech MX Ergo might be worth a look. Definitely works for me. Probably not great for gaming though.
Yeah, I can recommend it too. I experienced wrist numbness and pain, and they went away completely after I started using it. Originally I just wanted a vertical mouse, but MX Ergo is both vertical and a trackball. Go with MX Ergo Plus if you can, it has an additional wedge increasing the angle even more.
The only thing I have a problem with on this is the rubber coating on the metal plate. It's not sticking any more to the one I have at home. It seems like it's not a problem with the Plus but since I didn't know it even existed before your comment and I bought 2 of the normal ones (in case they go out of production...I have large hands and there are not many good products out there), it's not a solution for me.
Not a fan of thumb balls, personally.
The Logitech Trackman Marble is my go-to now, but its nowhere near the legendary FX.
The Logitech Trackman Marble is my go-to now, but its nowhere near the legendary FX.
Check out Elecom trackballs.
https://www.amazon.com.au/ELECOM-M-DT2URBK-Trackball-Finger-...
Wireless, uses AA batteries. Not as expensive as the latest Logitech trackball.
https://www.amazon.com.au/ELECOM-M-DT2URBK-Trackball-Finger-...
Wireless, uses AA batteries. Not as expensive as the latest Logitech trackball.
I have that exact trackball.
Its not anywhere close.
Its not anywhere close.
Mine was an MX510 and mine also broke down after a cable issue... and then the second one after that. I'm not particularly conspiratorial, but that's 3 out of 3 anectoble circumstances.
The new mx518 is not as good as the old one. It required some software that did not work properly on macs.
Mine's running perfectly on MBP15 2019 model, with no extra software.
I still use my Mx518 and 310 for LoL and PuBG. They’re still superior in my eyes.
My mouse progression since 2005 has been MX518 - G400S - G903. I used the G502 for a few days when it first came out, and couldn't stand it because it just felt...weird with my grip. It also made my hand hurt.
I'm completely locked into Logitech since I just can't function without a free-scrolling scroll wheel, and they apparently have it patented. I tried some of their other newer mice without free-scrolling, and not having it is just a complete dealbreaker.
I'm very happy with the G903 so far. The worst part was definitely the price. I'm tempted to get the new MX518, but I feel like the G903 is strictly better for my usage right now.
I'm completely locked into Logitech since I just can't function without a free-scrolling scroll wheel, and they apparently have it patented. I tried some of their other newer mice without free-scrolling, and not having it is just a complete dealbreaker.
I'm very happy with the G903 so far. The worst part was definitely the price. I'm tempted to get the new MX518, but I feel like the G903 is strictly better for my usage right now.
I 100% agree with you. Since using the MX Revolution in the late 2000s, I couldn't go back to anything. For me, MX Revolution - G500 - G500 (literally 2 for almost 8 years) - and just this year, the MX Master 2S. Long live the free scroll.
I love the MX Master 2S except for the input lag. I don't know why there is no way to disable that.
I had MX500, G5, now using G700s.
Also locked into Logitech, but for weirder reason. When I’m using other mice for prolonged time (couple weeks), I start feeling pain in the MCP joint of the index finger (the left clicking one). Logitech mice don’t cause any issues.
Also locked into Logitech, but for weirder reason. When I’m using other mice for prolonged time (couple weeks), I start feeling pain in the MCP joint of the index finger (the left clicking one). Logitech mice don’t cause any issues.
I still use 3 MX518s. One in my backpack, one at home and one at work. They’ve been used and abused for the past ~ 13 years and although they‘ve got some visible wear, they work as well as the day I bought them.
I gave up on mice after a few years with Logitech ones, and went 100% trackpad. Their scroll wheel is always too far from where your finger ends, making you curl your middle finger back in order to use it.
I've been using the 2S for a while and just bought the MX 3 because I needed an extra mouse.
They managed to improve an already near-perfect mouse. I just love the 3. Probably not worth ditching your 2S for, but nonetheless, a superb upgrade. I always felt the thumb buttons were awkward on the 2S and that has been rectified. The magnetic wheel is also really nice to use.
They managed to improve an already near-perfect mouse. I just love the 3. Probably not worth ditching your 2S for, but nonetheless, a superb upgrade. I always felt the thumb buttons were awkward on the 2S and that has been rectified. The magnetic wheel is also really nice to use.
Yes, the thumb buttons seem much better. USB-C is an upgrade.
Only thing that is missing is a wireless charging. Some competitors use Qi charging or a special mousepad, so there's never a need to plug it in.
In 2010, Logitech released a solar-powered keyboard called the K750. Now that batteries and PV cells are improving, and low energy wireless technology is improving, I bet this would be less terrible.
Also in 2010, RCA invented an "Airenergy" device that could harvest ambient wifi signals for use as a power source.
I imagine some combination of the above technologies could eliminate cables from peripherals entirely.
Only thing that is missing is a wireless charging. Some competitors use Qi charging or a special mousepad, so there's never a need to plug it in.
In 2010, Logitech released a solar-powered keyboard called the K750. Now that batteries and PV cells are improving, and low energy wireless technology is improving, I bet this would be less terrible.
Also in 2010, RCA invented an "Airenergy" device that could harvest ambient wifi signals for use as a power source.
I imagine some combination of the above technologies could eliminate cables from peripherals entirely.
The power density on WiFi is minuscule. FCC Regulations mean you can transmit at a max of 300mW only, and the power you receive is affected by the Inverse Square Law on top of that, so total delivered power to your device is fractions of a mW unless your wireless router is right next to the router. Even then the entire process tends to be rather inefficient on top of that so the math probably doesn't work out.
The Qi mousepad makes a lot more sense.
The Qi mousepad makes a lot more sense.
> FCC Regulations mean you can transmit at a max of 300mW only
Is that new? When I was originally playing with dd-wrt I was under the impression that 100 was the limit, discovered my AP was defaulting to something like 70mW, and would allow you to go higher.
Is that new? When I was originally playing with dd-wrt I was under the impression that 100 was the limit, discovered my AP was defaulting to something like 70mW, and would allow you to go higher.
You might be right. My memory is from several years ago when I was working with some possibly dubious long range outdoor radios.
The funny thing is that they don't seem to care about the directionality of the signal. You fire 120mW in a sphere and they have opinions. Narrow 100mW down to a (double) cone or a disc? No problemo.
Makes no goddamned sense to me.
Makes no goddamned sense to me.
Well a mouse is likely next to a couple of client devices (phone, laptop, smart watch) that each have their own radio. Maybe it adds up?
It doesn't. The transmit time is packet switched between devices.
I've been waiting for Qi charging as well!
I love my original MX Master, but it really annoys me when I have to deal with that charging cable. USB-C might be a marginal improvement, but I' love to be able to just put the mouse on my Qi pad when I leave the office...
I love my original MX Master, but it really annoys me when I have to deal with that charging cable. USB-C might be a marginal improvement, but I' love to be able to just put the mouse on my Qi pad when I leave the office...
One thing you could do is buy a magnetic break-away USB cable like this one:
https://www.amazon.com/Digital-Ant-i-Product-Compatible-Micr...
I have those on my wireless mice/keyboards, and game controllers.
https://www.amazon.com/Digital-Ant-i-Product-Compatible-Micr...
I have those on my wireless mice/keyboards, and game controllers.
Logitech does have a wireless charging mousepad system but it's currently limited to their gaming series mice.
https://www.logitechg.com/en-us/products/gaming-mouse-pads/p...
https://www.logitechg.com/en-us/products/gaming-mouse-pads/p...
Generator in the mouse wheel and under the left click button.
The problem I have with the 2S is that the button clicks are really noisy - I had to swap out to another mouse in my office, since the noise was just too great.
I just wish that MX Master 3 had a couple of extra buttons by the thumb.
My 3 thumb buttons on my Logitech G500 are mapped to: Page Up, Page Down, and Back. Clicking and holding the Page Up button can rapidly take me back to the top of a page without moving my right hand to hit the home key on my keyboard. It's pretty useful, in my opinion, to be able to roughly and quickly scroll with Page Up/Down, then fine tune with the scroll wheel.
Looks like with the MX 3, I'd lose the back button though, because I really don't like the "gesture button" they've added.
Is the thumb-wheel on the MX 3 "clickable"?
My 3 thumb buttons on my Logitech G500 are mapped to: Page Up, Page Down, and Back. Clicking and holding the Page Up button can rapidly take me back to the top of a page without moving my right hand to hit the home key on my keyboard. It's pretty useful, in my opinion, to be able to roughly and quickly scroll with Page Up/Down, then fine tune with the scroll wheel.
Looks like with the MX 3, I'd lose the back button though, because I really don't like the "gesture button" they've added.
Is the thumb-wheel on the MX 3 "clickable"?
Do you know about the button in the thumb rest? That'll be #3 for me. It looks like in the Logitech literature this is called the 'gesture button', and if memory serves it was introduced on the original MX, when they took away the third thumb button.
https://scdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/logite...
https://scdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/logite...
I think the original MX (what was it called, the 1000? Revolution?) had the three buttons and no thumbwheel and it was great for reading code and for playing a couple video games.
When they added the thumb wheel they moved the buttons too far back to be used comfortably. So it went in a drawer and I went back to the old one, found someone with leftover inventory and bought a spare for when the first wore out. When the second finally gave up the ghost I was not really playing those games anymore, but I still miss scanning code with page-up/page-down.
The 3 seems to compromise between the two. I just noticed it was available a couple days ago, so I'll be ordering one soon I expect.
When they added the thumb wheel they moved the buttons too far back to be used comfortably. So it went in a drawer and I went back to the old one, found someone with leftover inventory and bought a spare for when the first wore out. When the second finally gave up the ghost I was not really playing those games anymore, but I still miss scanning code with page-up/page-down.
The 3 seems to compromise between the two. I just noticed it was available a couple days ago, so I'll be ordering one soon I expect.
Thumb buttons are hugely under-rated in my opinion. Its the sole reason I bought my G600.
I used to play a melee character in a game, and I had the buttons mapped to autorun, stop autorun, and back up. I never had to move my hands to follow a target, which greatly improved my uptime.
I think on the later mouse, with only two buttons, I retrained myself to use 'back up' to stop autorun, but it was important to me that I could mash the first button to start running and not have to worry about how many times I hit it.
Like OP said, for other apps I had it mapped to page-up/-down and back button and it made it a lot easier to focus on the code or documentation I was reading, instead of on navigating.
I think on the later mouse, with only two buttons, I retrained myself to use 'back up' to stop autorun, but it was important to me that I could mash the first button to start running and not have to worry about how many times I hit it.
Like OP said, for other apps I had it mapped to page-up/-down and back button and it made it a lot easier to focus on the code or documentation I was reading, instead of on navigating.
Thumb buttons + shift mode.
How has there not been wireless G600 yey.
How has there not been wireless G600 yey.
If the wheel is 90% faster it seems like you don’t need page up/down shortcuts.
> Is the thumb-wheel on the MX 3 "clickable"?
It is not, unfortunately.
It is not, unfortunately.
That is unfortunate. Huge turn-off.
Regarding Logitech Mice, I have the Anywhere MX and the Anywhere MX 2S here. I rarely used the old AMX but still, I got a defective left button switch after about 5 years in which I used it probably less than 500 hours total. Changing the switch is needlessly cumbersome, you have to remove rubber pads and battery stickers (which can't really be removed without destroying them). But the AMX feels solid and the on/off switch also functions as a protector for the laser. You can also store the USB receiver between the batteries.
The AMX 2S is an absolute downgrade: Much cheaper build quality, no more protection for the laser, no user removable battery. The old AMX came with a leather pouch for transportation, the AMX 2S doesn't. On top of that, the Bluetooth connection of the AMX 2S is terrible. I have frequent minute long disconnects from my MBP at 20cm distance. Sometimes it won't connect at all. And the battery doesn't last as long as the rechargeable batteries I put in my AMX 1.
The AMX 2S is an absolute downgrade: Much cheaper build quality, no more protection for the laser, no user removable battery. The old AMX came with a leather pouch for transportation, the AMX 2S doesn't. On top of that, the Bluetooth connection of the AMX 2S is terrible. I have frequent minute long disconnects from my MBP at 20cm distance. Sometimes it won't connect at all. And the battery doesn't last as long as the rechargeable batteries I put in my AMX 1.
I'm on my 9th MX Anywhere(currently on the 2S). They all develop a defective mouse button eventually(it either doesn't click or clicks twice). It's incredible to me that we're now on who knows which iteration of the MX Anywhere and Logitech still uses a crappy 3 cent switch that breaks after 12-18 months. At least their support is somewhat decent and they keep replacing those mice without question every time.
> AMX 2S is an absolute downgrade
Add to that no place to store the dongle. And no easy way to switch back to the dongle (unifying receiver) once Bluetooth is configured. You have to use the app to do that. I'm on Linux and there is no app (last time I looked.)
Nor do I care for a cable to charge it. I was happy with replaceable batteries.
I get frequent (Bluetooth) disconnects, though I don't know if it is the mouse or Linux' fault.
Add to that no place to store the dongle. And no easy way to switch back to the dongle (unifying receiver) once Bluetooth is configured. You have to use the app to do that. I'm on Linux and there is no app (last time I looked.)
Nor do I care for a cable to charge it. I was happy with replaceable batteries.
I get frequent (Bluetooth) disconnects, though I don't know if it is the mouse or Linux' fault.
The MX anywhere is not meant to compete with the MX/MX2S/MX3. The "Anywhere" is a portable mouse, hence the laser cover. The MX 2S and 3 are meant to be left on a desk.
The scroll wheel in the Master 3 is totally broken. It doesn’t register scrolls properly. Within 10 seconds I noticed the issue. Same issue across multiple devices and OS’s too. Others have noticed too, like here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/d6yo5j/anyone_...
I returned mine and got a G604, which is a work of art, and you can load settings into on-board memory so you can delete the Logitech software after doing that.
I returned mine and got a G604, which is a work of art, and you can load settings into on-board memory so you can delete the Logitech software after doing that.
Wow the G604 is a really good looking mouse as far as PC mice go.
I use the Anywhere MX 2, which is quite good, and would love to try the Master 3, but I mouse left-handed. Would love to see more support from Logitech for this mode, even if it came at a premium.
I wish the rubber grips didn't fail so easily on them, they are the first thing to fall apart for me.
I'm really curious about the silkscreened ruler. Can anyone solve the mystery?
https://blog.bolt.io/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/DSC02786-102...
https://blog.bolt.io/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/DSC02791.jpg
https://blog.bolt.io/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/DSC02786-102...
https://blog.bolt.io/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/DSC02791.jpg
It's placed over the antenna for the Bluetooth LE chip. I'm assuming it's related to antenna tuning/calibration.
That the ruler is related to the antenna tuning is the initial guess of the author too, but he is unsure.
But come to think of it, why is the PCB silk-screened in the first place? I don't think such a cheap board will ever get serviced by the manufacturer, and slikscreening is cheap but not free.
My guess is that it is "just in case". If something goes wrong, the silkscreen is there so that things can be fixed by an assembly line worker. And they identified incorrect antenna dimensions as a potential problem and left a ruler there. Turned out everything worked fine and the ruler wasn't necessary.
But come to think of it, why is the PCB silk-screened in the first place? I don't think such a cheap board will ever get serviced by the manufacturer, and slikscreening is cheap but not free.
My guess is that it is "just in case". If something goes wrong, the silkscreen is there so that things can be fixed by an assembly line worker. And they identified incorrect antenna dimensions as a potential problem and left a ruler there. Turned out everything worked fine and the ruler wasn't necessary.
Virtually every board is going to need some kind of marking, so if you're doing a silk screen anyways it almost free to add more stuff to that silk screen.
I do software quality assurance, and it wouldn't surprise me if this was put in by request of their QA department. I don't know if a human looks at every PCB, but however many they sample to QA, this would be a quick way to check an important feature of the hardware.
I'll go with occam's razor and say it was simply not removed from the development board to the full production board.
It's probably related to tuning but on a production board? Normally if you need it as part of your production process it would just be part of the tuning tool itself.
But honestly I cannot see how it would be used in production since the antenna length is determined by that point.
It's probably related to tuning but on a production board? Normally if you need it as part of your production process it would just be part of the tuning tool itself.
But honestly I cannot see how it would be used in production since the antenna length is determined by that point.
Does the 3rd version fix the polling issues these mice have over Bluetooth? Using the receiver works fine, but over Bluetooth it feels very laggy and jerky to use. They don't offer a USB-C receiver yet.
Here is what it looks like to draw a circle using each protocol: https://imgur.com/a/RP2oLcn
Here is what it looks like to draw a circle using each protocol: https://imgur.com/a/RP2oLcn
Which operating system are you using?
There was a regression in the Linux kernel regarding polling rate negotiation that was fixed not too long ago
https://i.imgur.com/q7NSMfR.png
There was a regression in the Linux kernel regarding polling rate negotiation that was fixed not too long ago
https://i.imgur.com/q7NSMfR.png
Are you using any USB 3 devices? I had really bad problems with wireless mice and keyboards after I had gotten an USB 3 hub from Anker... Apparently USB 3 devices are prone to interfere with wireless devices in the 2.4GHz band
Do they make high-quality mice like these for left-handed people?
I'm always jealous by this type of mouse, while I'm stuck using my cheap sad ambidextrous Microsoft mouse.
I'm always jealous by this type of mouse, while I'm stuck using my cheap sad ambidextrous Microsoft mouse.
Their ambi mice are decent. I use a G300S at work, and I think they have some fancier mice that are also ambi while having features like wireless charging and the toggle for smooth/ratcheted scrolling.
The only company I know of that makes an actually left handed mouse is Razer. Decent hardware, but if you're on a Mac their drivers are even worse than Logitech's. There's nothing worse than having your mouse stop working because the internet is down.
The only company I know of that makes an actually left handed mouse is Razer. Decent hardware, but if you're on a Mac their drivers are even worse than Logitech's. There's nothing worse than having your mouse stop working because the internet is down.
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Evoluent sells a left-handed variant of their popular vertical mouse. Doesn't have smooth scrolling though.
Good point, for some it is like being forced to buy a two right shoes to fit upon your feet. Let alone the aspect of mouse size and the analogy gets down to shoes only available for right feet and then sizes 6 and 11 only.
With that in mind - how hard would it be to make a mouse which had a gel top that would mould to your hand. Could have a gel that is perhaps viscus when an electric current passed thru it and solid when not - allowing you to setup the mouse to fit your hand. As for buttons, well, that has been one of the easier ones to fix and about the only area you can customise a mouse (switch left and right mouse buttons) which is your standard OS configurable.
Though I'm not aware of any material that is viscous when a current is applied and solid when not - the other way around you have https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetorheological_fluid
With that in mind - how hard would it be to make a mouse which had a gel top that would mould to your hand. Could have a gel that is perhaps viscus when an electric current passed thru it and solid when not - allowing you to setup the mouse to fit your hand. As for buttons, well, that has been one of the easier ones to fix and about the only area you can customise a mouse (switch left and right mouse buttons) which is your standard OS configurable.
Though I'm not aware of any material that is viscous when a current is applied and solid when not - the other way around you have https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetorheological_fluid
Razer made a left handed Deathadder in ~2011. They've since been discontinued, I have 3 of them and can't switch away. I've gone through probably 5 others. The tracking is nice and the feel is very good, but the scroll wheel is made from acrylic and tends to warp over time. The left, right, and middle buttons basically suck and wear down. The toothed shaft on the scroll wheel is also very tiny where it meets with the rotary encoder and is very prone to snapping off or wearing down due to friction.
All these problems and I fear I'll never see a better left-handed mouse.
All these problems and I fear I'll never see a better left-handed mouse.
Logitech G Pro Wireless https://www.logitechg.com/en-ca/products/gaming-mice/pro-wir...
I switch between my left and right hand every couple hours. The scroll wheel is great but no free scrolling. The buttons are amazing. I think I charge the mouse once every two weeks.
I switch between my left and right hand every couple hours. The scroll wheel is great but no free scrolling. The buttons are amazing. I think I charge the mouse once every two weeks.
3D Connexion, the company that makes the 3D mouse (for CAD) also makes a regular mouse, and it is available left handed. I haven't seen one in person so not sure what the overall quality is like.
Great mice but I’m surprised no one has mentioned weight. The master 3 is 141g! That’s a brick!
I’ve been hunting for a mouse with this kind of scroll wheel that was less than 90g or so forever. 141g would kill my arm in a few hours.
I’ve been hunting for a mouse with this kind of scroll wheel that was less than 90g or so forever. 141g would kill my arm in a few hours.
Me too. I sold my MX Master as I felt it much too heavy to use...
I use an MX Anywhere 2 at work and an MX Anywhere at home. I love both of them (so much that I soldered in new microswitches when the original buttons on the MX Anywhere wore out).
I have never tried an MX Master. I have been curious, but I don't need the second scroll wheel.
I think the software is somewhat convoluted. My actual preference is that Mac OS would support all of the functionality natively. I think it's stupid that we need to use extra programs to get the keyboard/mouse to do what we want.
I have never tried an MX Master. I have been curious, but I don't need the second scroll wheel.
I think the software is somewhat convoluted. My actual preference is that Mac OS would support all of the functionality natively. I think it's stupid that we need to use extra programs to get the keyboard/mouse to do what we want.
I have had one defective switch on AMX. But nothing like that on 2 AMX 2S that I bought more than a year ago (one for office, one for home). I think they improved something with AMX S2 switches.
I'm glad they changed the scroll wheel–it was arguably the worst part of the first one. I have had one for a few years, and the mechanical part that determines whether the wheel is free spinning or ratcheting has a tendency to slip over time, making the ratchet less effective until it is all gone. The mouse needs to be opened up every few months to poke the part back down. This is not an uncommon problem and I'm glad the mechanism has been changed.
I see that Logitech ramped up their advertising investment again. I looked up the mouse and it shows up on all popular youtube channels with crazy titles.
I remember same thing from the original Performance MX. Everybody said it was a great mouse. I got it, it was terrible. It didn't work on most surfaces. It didn't hold battery long.
Long story short, I will hold off until it stands the test of time for a bit.
I remember same thing from the original Performance MX. Everybody said it was a great mouse. I got it, it was terrible. It didn't work on most surfaces. It didn't hold battery long.
Long story short, I will hold off until it stands the test of time for a bit.
I no longer care about Logitech mouses after I had THREE premium mouses, in succession, to die to the same problem for me personally and additionally one mouse for a person that I recommended it to. All had exactly the same problem -- double clicks registered when clicking left mouse button.
For a premium brand I find it completely unacceptable. Even though it is possible to fix the problem (https://www.instructables.com/id/Repair-mouse-with-double-cl...), I gave up on Logitech mouses completely.
For a premium brand I find it completely unacceptable. Even though it is possible to fix the problem (https://www.instructables.com/id/Repair-mouse-with-double-cl...), I gave up on Logitech mouses completely.
I had to replace the switches in my G100s after a few years, first the scroll wheel button and then the left click. Definitely an unacceptable level of longevity.
IMO it's an inevitable result of using mechanical switches. I love Logitech mice but I'll usually get n-1 versions that go for cheaper, so replacing every 1-2 years doesn't sting as much.
FWIW Razer has a new mouse that uses optical switches (Razer Viper). It'll be interesting to see if how their switches hold up a year or two from now. I've heard similar complaints about mouse switch failures with Razer mice as well, so it's great to see them attempt to address the problem.
FWIW Razer has a new mouse that uses optical switches (Razer Viper). It'll be interesting to see if how their switches hold up a year or two from now. I've heard similar complaints about mouse switch failures with Razer mice as well, so it's great to see them attempt to address the problem.
I hope they bring some of the newer improvements and more of the MX Master features to the MX Vertical.
I've found that I really appreciate the different ergonomics of a vertical mouse, but I do miss my side wheel and unlocking scroll
I've found that I really appreciate the different ergonomics of a vertical mouse, but I do miss my side wheel and unlocking scroll
I really love the MX vertical mouse. The scroll wheel is the only current bummer for me as well.
Logitech has top quality hardware, but their software is degrading rapidly.
Why does Logitech need to update the mouse software every so often? Installing fresh Windows 10 on a new computer, a popup automatically appears on the bottom-right to download and install Logitech software - without installing anything. This is built-in ads for Windows essentially. Also, Logitech wants us to connect to the internet to create a profile. It nags you constantly.
We need software engineers to push back on these things that are pushed on to them by marketing execs.
Why does Logitech need to update the mouse software every so often? Installing fresh Windows 10 on a new computer, a popup automatically appears on the bottom-right to download and install Logitech software - without installing anything. This is built-in ads for Windows essentially. Also, Logitech wants us to connect to the internet to create a profile. It nags you constantly.
We need software engineers to push back on these things that are pushed on to them by marketing execs.
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I have an M510 and I love it but it needs to be taken apart and cleaned every year or so. It accumulates an insane amount of crap inside it which if left unchecked will eventually lead you to think there's a software issue or wireless interference as your pages scroll up and down randomly by themselves.
Most people probably just replace mice once they start acting up because they either don't want to bother cleaning it or else don't realise it can be taken apart and cleaned easily which fixes 99% of mice issues.
Most people probably just replace mice once they start acting up because they either don't want to bother cleaning it or else don't realise it can be taken apart and cleaned easily which fixes 99% of mice issues.
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Also worthy to note that Logitech has decent macOS support.
The MX Master 2 or whatever has been absolute trash for me on my work mac. There's the standard issue with macs and third party mice where the "inertia" or whatever of the mouse feels off, but more than that there has to be some sort of interference because the thing just floats and jitters constantly. Completely unusable, I gave it away to one of our finance guys.
Ehhhh........
It _works_, but the overwhelming consensus is that their software is a confusing-to-navigate buggy mess that has to stay running all the time, uses excessive CPU[0], and freaks out from time to time.
[0] - On a 15 inch 2017 MacBook Pro, "Logi Options Daemon" sits at 0.3% CPU when the mouse is still and 4% (!!!) while the mouse is moving
[0] - On a 15 inch 2017 MacBook Pro, "Logi Options Daemon" sits at 0.3% CPU when the mouse is still and 4% (!!!) while the mouse is moving
Does anybody know of any MX Master 3 modding forums or other resources?
The firmware and electronics in these things are fine, but these mice are one size fits none. In my case: way too small. I probably need one that's 2 times the size + preferably vertical.
I was thinking of doing a mod where I convert an MX Master 3 to a much larger MX vertical type thing. Shouldn't be too hard, but if I can think of this someone probably already did it. Right?
The firmware and electronics in these things are fine, but these mice are one size fits none. In my case: way too small. I probably need one that's 2 times the size + preferably vertical.
I was thinking of doing a mod where I convert an MX Master 3 to a much larger MX vertical type thing. Shouldn't be too hard, but if I can think of this someone probably already did it. Right?
Search for modding here. There is a lot of really interesting stuff.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/
https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/
I am a long-time user of the MX series, having used the master 1 and 2 and multiple anywheres 1 and 2 for years, mainly for their free-scrolling wheels. I was surprised when Microsoft upstaged them with their precision mouse line, which has a "patented magnetic scrolling". It seems to me that Logitech is just playing catch-up with the "MagSpeed" wheels on the master 3.
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I have an MX master and now own two triathlons. I love them because one AA battery lasts months, it's bluetooth or can use the receiver which the mouse can store inside of it, and it supports three devices. All for $25. I pair it to my iPad and use it or at work for 8 hours straight. Definitely check it out since it's basically a baby MX master without the thumb scroll.
I love this article and while reading it I realized that I wish I could scroll down exactly one "page" with my mouse so I mapped the MX Master side back/forward buttons to space/shift+space so now it's really nice to read long articles like this using the button to scroll down one page instead of the mousewheel.
Also nice for HN comment threads. :)
Also nice for HN comment threads. :)
Could anyone, with industry ties, forward these threads, in which people are fed up with the vendor supplied support software / drivers, each time they come up (and the do come up), to the appropriate decision makers?
Thank you!
Thank you!
Really wish the MX master 3 had a USB-C receiver. Bluetooth just doesn't cut it sometimes
What BT issues have you had?
It’s slower, much more prone to noise, a lot of disconnects, etc. the dongle just works.
There are other software bugs on macOS, such as smooth scrolling and inverted scroll not working sometimes on Bluetooth.
There are other software bugs on macOS, such as smooth scrolling and inverted scroll not working sometimes on Bluetooth.
Interestingly the Logitech WiFi receiver for these mice can cause audio issues on some wireless headphones. I briefly had a pair of Sennheisser headphones and it picked up an interesting tick every few seconds. Though, to be honest, I think that's more likely poor design from headphone makers.
Same as others. Usually fine now but vunerable to noise and so on. Interference can cause spaghetti mouse.
I liked the 2s engineering and design but it's excessive weight and embarrassingly low pooling rate made me return it.
Picked up a 502SE which is perfectly addressing these issues with better button feel and tracking.
No wireless tho, and the wheel kinda sucks
Picked up a 502SE which is perfectly addressing these issues with better button feel and tracking.
No wireless tho, and the wheel kinda sucks
As a coder while coding, how much mouse do you guys use? I try to minimize it as much as possible. And it seems like it is easier to hit touchpad than to grab an external mouse which is places 6-12 in away from center of the keyboard.
I’ve used the apple magic trackpads since they came out. As you say, it’s so much faster to just reach up and engage the touchpad surface, rather than to locate, grasp, and move a mouse. Third party software (BetterTouchTool) opens up virtually unlimited gestures. I’m never going back.
I can't get excited about regular mice any more.
I bought a Razer Naga and mapped some buttons to [enter] and [backspace], plus others.
Having a few keyboard keys on the mouse blows everything else mouse-like out of the water, in my opinion.
I bought a Razer Naga and mapped some buttons to [enter] and [backspace], plus others.
Having a few keyboard keys on the mouse blows everything else mouse-like out of the water, in my opinion.
Is there any equivalent high quality preferred-choice-by-many keyboard?
Personally I prefer a 60% keyboard and work on a HHKB Professional 2.
Different strokes for different folks - try out different form factors and different switch types, there's a lot to see and try.
Different strokes for different folks - try out different form factors and different switch types, there's a lot to see and try.
Das Keyboard is the way to go my friend. They're absolutely lovely to type on. Although any other mechanical keyboard is probably acceptable...
Yeah I love the latest Das Model S Ultimate. The aluminum plate and the keycaps feel very premium. The newer one's at work and I have an older gen at home and I much prefer the newer.
i think filco is the gold standard in mechanical keyboards:
https://www.diatec.co.jp/en/
they're built like a tank.
they're built like a tank.
I own two Filco boards and they are extremely solid. Also easy to get an aftermarket controller board (and easy to fit) if you want to make it programmable.
I have been using the original MX Master for about 4 years now and the mouse has been a dream. Absolutely great build quality and perfect ergonomics (for a right handed person).
Great rats, but my tendons could enjoy them more if the device was larger. I don’t get why, once in the 100€ range, there’s no SMLXL bucketing
I couldn't stand the 2S because the clicks were so loud.
Can anyone comment on if this has been fixed with the 3?
Can anyone comment on if this has been fixed with the 3?
Look at that beautiful replaceable battery :)
My Logitech G700s has a AA NiMH battery in an easily replaceable door, no need to open the mouse.
The battery still charges over USB if you have the mouse wired, and switches to wireless when that's unplugged.
I like it a lot, if you run the battery down you can just pop a new one in and put the dead one in the charger. But I assume the one they're using here gives them higher capacity, so it's a trade-off.
The battery still charges over USB if you have the mouse wired, and switches to wireless when that's unplugged.
I like it a lot, if you run the battery down you can just pop a new one in and put the dead one in the charger. But I assume the one they're using here gives them higher capacity, so it's a trade-off.
I have to say the battery on my 2 year old MX Master 2S is excellent, it needs charging about once a month. It has helpful LED battery indicators and a software warning - I've always had enough warning that it's never run flat, even though I give it basically no thought.
I don't think it's just the capacity but the power efficiency.
G700s has a really low run time, something like a week per charge as a heavy user.
The MX 2S can go about 2 months between chargers and the 3 should have an even better run time.
Hasn't been an issue for me, the cord lives on my desk and I just plug it overnight every couple of days. If I forget, grab a charged AA and swap it out.
They're both excellent mice, I really wish they would combine the best features of both:
- battery life of the mx master
- scrollwheel of the mx master
- multi device of the mx master
- bluetooth of the mx master
- gesture button of the mx master
- extra buttons of the g700
- data-over-usb of the g700
- AA battery support of g700
- on-device memory of g700
- battery life of the mx master
- scrollwheel of the mx master
- multi device of the mx master
- bluetooth of the mx master
- gesture button of the mx master
- extra buttons of the g700
- data-over-usb of the g700
- AA battery support of g700
- on-device memory of g700
I switched from a G700s to an Elecom XGM20DL due to the G700s's poor battery life and terrible software (the Logitech gaming mouse drivers, at least on Mac OS, are dramatically worse than the mainstream mouse drivers). Unfortunately the build quality is pretty average, not as nice as the G700s was and nowhere near the MX Master series. It also doesn't have a built-in battery charger.
I never liked the thumb button layout on the MX Master 1 and 2, but on the 3 it looks a lot better, so I might give one a try even though it doesn't have the index finger page up/down buttons.
I never liked the thumb button layout on the MX Master 1 and 2, but on the 3 it looks a lot better, so I might give one a try even though it doesn't have the index finger page up/down buttons.
If you want better software you could give SteerMouse a try:
https://plentycom.jp/en/steermouse/download.php
$20 purchase, but the 30 day demo should be enough to see if it works for you. I don’t know whether it will recognize all of the G700s’s buttons.
I’m just using the trackpad on Mac now, but I used SteerMouse back in the day and it was much better than the official drivers.
https://plentycom.jp/en/steermouse/download.php
$20 purchase, but the 30 day demo should be enough to see if it works for you. I don’t know whether it will recognize all of the G700s’s buttons.
I’m just using the trackpad on Mac now, but I used SteerMouse back in the day and it was much better than the official drivers.
I'm actually using SteerMouse with the Elecom because it doesn't have first-party Mac drivers. I never did try it with the G700s - I was already through with that based on the battery life. But it may have helped. (I am guessing, though, that even if it could handle all the buttons it wouldn't support the DPI switching on the G700s.)
Might be able to set the DPI switching stuff with its on device memory, set the rest of the buttons as generic mouse buttons, and then use it with SteerMouse.
Would require temporary use of the official software to set this up.
But if battery life was the problem it wouldn’t fix that. I use mine at my desk so I just plug it in and don’t have that issue.
Would require temporary use of the official software to set this up.
But if battery life was the problem it wouldn’t fix that. I use mine at my desk so I just plug it in and don’t have that issue.
have the mx3, so far all good. but.
I use linux... yes it works as a standard 5 mouse buttons, but there is no software for gestures or thumb scroll. Windows has those. Linux will probably never have anything like that
(thumb gesture-button seems to trigger KeyPress Meta+TAB, binding it seems not-so-easy)
I use linux... yes it works as a standard 5 mouse buttons, but there is no software for gestures or thumb scroll. Windows has those. Linux will probably never have anything like that
(thumb gesture-button seems to trigger KeyPress Meta+TAB, binding it seems not-so-easy)
I've mostly transitioned out of using mice. I guess I'm lucky my workflow allows for that
I hate it lacks the side scroll and they move it to thumb side scroll
I want unlock able scroll on the mx ergo.
Congratulations guys... 10 years later you rediscovered mx revolution - probably your best mice ever.
Downside of such complicated mice with fancy circuit boards is that you can have issues like my s2 had, where the thumb button got stuck. This somehow caused a software lock, rendering the rest of the mouse unoperational; a nice 90$ paperweight. I don't mistreat my electronics either, it was not dropped or anything like that. This sort of stuff should not happen on such an expensive mouse. Coincidentally it happened 2 months after the warranty expired.
I had the same thing happen recently, and came across this Youtube video detailing a fix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFaLyoSQQo0.
Essentially, you open up the mouse and loosen the internal screws on the thumb button a little bit, which moves the board away from the rubber over the button and relieves whatever pressure is keeping it pressed. You need a screwdriver with a T5 Torx bit to open up some of the screws, but overall the procedure is pretty easy and my mouse has been working great ever since.
Essentially, you open up the mouse and loosen the internal screws on the thumb button a little bit, which moves the board away from the rubber over the button and relieves whatever pressure is keeping it pressed. You need a screwdriver with a T5 Torx bit to open up some of the screws, but overall the procedure is pretty easy and my mouse has been working great ever since.
I read the parent's comment, messed with the thumb button, and had the exact same thing happen.
Now I read your comment, slid a screwdriver under the thumb rubber (didn't bother opening the mouse) and that unfucked it.
Man…
Now I read your comment, slid a screwdriver under the thumb rubber (didn't bother opening the mouse) and that unfucked it.
Man…
I'm using a G502 at work right now with Logitech Gaming Software and the two completely baffling decisions they made with that software on macOS:
1. It has to be running. If I launch it for configuration and hit ⌘Q it stops working and my mouse reverts to the default. I have to remember to close the window instead, which leaves it in the menubar.
2. I can't unmap buttons and have them act as generic HID mouse buttons. I can map buttons to mouse 1, 2, and 3, but I can't go past that. I can map buttons to various special functions, but it would be a hell of a lot more flexible if I could just have mouse 4 and mouse 5 mapped. For example, I can map the "sniper" button to Mission Control, but I can't change its behavior with keyboard modifiers, whereas if it was just Mouse 5 I could use the system configuration to map that to Mission Control and then use keyboard modifiers to change its behavior.