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Hostomel/Antonov airport is really quite close to the center of Kiev. The russians made a real effort to capture it in the beginning days of the war as an airlift beachhead, (resulting in a huge fatality rate for their paratroopers), and their relief convoy getting nearly obliterated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hostomel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Antonov_Airport
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyiv_offensive_(2022)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzK1gl6UoM0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hostomel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Antonov_Airport
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyiv_offensive_(2022)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzK1gl6UoM0
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Not everything it's just that Bucha is actual Kyiv suburb
Exactly, and of course Kyiv/Bucha was close to the early fighting - Russia made a thunder run directly to it from the nearby border. Russia started their invasion a 2 hr drive from Kyiv, with no resistance they could have occupied it in hours. Instead they managed to create a military traffic jam the entire length of the highway trying to force the issue.
Nowadays, Kyiv is a 8 or 9 hr drive from the major fights, like going from New York City past Philadelphia past Baltimore past DC past Richmond and all the way to Raleigh, NC.
Nowadays, Kyiv is a 8 or 9 hr drive from the major fights, like going from New York City past Philadelphia past Baltimore past DC past Richmond and all the way to Raleigh, NC.
There was a great WSJ piece about this recently [1]. It's a mistake to frame it as a passive mistake by Russia — there was some truly incredible spontaneous thinking and heroism on Ukraine's part that turned it into a traffic jam / deathtrap.
In a slightly different world, if a couple dozen people had been less committed to stopping the blitz, it could have ended very differently.
[1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-invasion-ukraine-battle...
In a slightly different world, if a couple dozen people had been less committed to stopping the blitz, it could have ended very differently.
[1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-invasion-ukraine-battle...
Yes, the Ukrainian military had to blow up the dam in the northern suburbs of Kyiv, the city of Vyshgorod [source: https://www.npr.org/2022/09/06/1121201310/ukraine-flooded-vi...] That way, they safeguarded the area from Russian mechanical advancement. But some Russian hot heads still managed to get into the city and rode their tanks in the northern borough of Kyiv — Obolon.
I heard that a special unit was traveling on quad bikes through the swamps next to the column to harass the column in various ways and ensure supplies never reached the front of the column.
My impression as a layman is that Ukraine has been fighting this war with a lot of creativity and innovation, surgical precision and excellent coordination. Unlike Russia, which tried to be fast and clever but failed at it, and has since relied on just massive firepower to destroy everything in their path.
My impression as a layman is that Ukraine has been fighting this war with a lot of creativity and innovation, surgical precision and excellent coordination. Unlike Russia, which tried to be fast and clever but failed at it, and has since relied on just massive firepower to destroy everything in their path.
“Destroyed everything in their path?” War would be over if that had been their strategy. Did the recent mobilization not teach you anything at all? Putin has been fighting with the gloves on, if not one hand tied behind his back. The “surgical precision” you get fed in the media is also a direct function of close coordination with the US war machine, which starves the American people of even potable water as it spends more than the next several largest countries combined.
lol, the recent mobilization taught us that Russia has chewed through its entire supply of trained and armed soldiers, and is now desperately conscripting unwilling old men.
It's not going to change anything. I hope you figure out sooner rather than later that you're living in an information bubble that will inevitably pop.
It's not going to change anything. I hope you figure out sooner rather than later that you're living in an information bubble that will inevitably pop.
At least I'm not living in the information bubble where it makes sense for Russia to blow up its own pipeline and shell the nuclear facility that it is occupying ;-)
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Or if Putin had taken the gloves off earlier (as many nationalists to the right of him had been demanding) it would have ended very differently as well.
> Instead they managed to create a military traffic jam the entire length of the highway trying to force the issue.
That’s decisively not what happened. Ukrainian army and in some cases territorial defense blocked them
That’s decisively not what happened. Ukrainian army and in some cases territorial defense blocked them
Both things happened, the first Russian general was killed by UA SoF sniper when he went to the front of stuck column to try and deal with the traffic jam. They could not have occupied Kyiv in hours though cause closer Kyiv their columns were getting decimated by UA artillery.
Yes, it's like Arlington and DC almost.
A good deal of the American Civil War was fought within what are now suburbs or exurbs of Washington, DC. Meet a Virginia Railroad Express (VRE) train at L'Enfant Plaza, and you will likely find some commuters from Fredericksburg, to say nothing of Manassas.
DC native here. Glancing at Google maps, I'd say it looks further out than Arlington. Maybe I'd put it at about Rockville.
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The Russians were also attacking from other directions, resulting in Kyiv being partly surrounded for quite some time.
And as close the Russians got, the fog of war made it seem like they were even closer. One the night of February 25th - one day into the war - the New York Times had the headline: "RUSSIAN TROOPS ENTER KYIV"[1].
[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20220225122446/https://www.nytim...
And as close the Russians got, the fog of war made it seem like they were even closer. One the night of February 25th - one day into the war - the New York Times had the headline: "RUSSIAN TROOPS ENTER KYIV"[1].
[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20220225122446/https://www.nytim...
I clearly remember several reports of fighting in the outskirts of Kyiv itself. It's scary how close they got.
Bucha is only one of the suburbs of Kyiv suffered. Kharkiv region, Izuym, Mariupol, is much much worse. God knows what else will be found after liberation of other parts.
It's really shocking to see how people are easily manipulated. Half of the russia thinks that they are at full fledge war with US, EU and rest of west. Simple logic check like ok... their army is here, but have you heard of Western Rockets, F-35's , Tanks. Nope. Still we are under atack
It's really shocking to see how people are easily manipulated. Half of the russia thinks that they are at full fledge war with US, EU and rest of west. Simple logic check like ok... their army is here, but have you heard of Western Rockets, F-35's , Tanks. Nope. Still we are under atack
This Russian guy on RT doesn't seem very manipulated, more:
>on RT's show "Beautiful Russia," propagandist argues that Russia shouldn't worry about the way events like Bucha are being perceived or covered in the West. Instead, he says, Russia should lay into that: "Yes, that's how we are... We'll show you even more. Fear us!"
https://mobile.twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/15712662228...
I think Patton may have had the right idea.
>on RT's show "Beautiful Russia," propagandist argues that Russia shouldn't worry about the way events like Bucha are being perceived or covered in the West. Instead, he says, Russia should lay into that: "Yes, that's how we are... We'll show you even more. Fear us!"
https://mobile.twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/15712662228...
I think Patton may have had the right idea.
They say truth is the first casualty in war. How do you get a man to attack their fellow man? You don’t, except from a throne of lies.
"Half of the russia thinks that they are at full fledge war with US, EU and rest of west."
Are you sure about those numbers? It sounds a bit like a strawman argument to me.
Are you sure about those numbers? It sounds a bit like a strawman argument to me.
As much as it looks, it isn't.
Younger more educated people are more immune ( although equally passive and "stoic" ) but the vast majority believes what Kremlin says ( with varying degrees ).
But it's not "magic", with 20+ years of constant propaganda in pretty much every TV channel every population would believe the same. Do not underestimate the sophistication and the level they can shape the minds of their people. The Internet was a new "challenge" but it's mostly under their control although not at the level they control TV and every newspaper.
Also, the "story/reality" they spread in Africa, most Asia and South America is completely is completely different to the one they spread on the West. China does something similar.
To my knowledge in the West their low effort blatant lies doesn't get much traction, but the way they feed the disenfranchised, contrarians and "influencers" fostering discontent has been effective. Don't know about TikTok.
Younger more educated people are more immune ( although equally passive and "stoic" ) but the vast majority believes what Kremlin says ( with varying degrees ).
But it's not "magic", with 20+ years of constant propaganda in pretty much every TV channel every population would believe the same. Do not underestimate the sophistication and the level they can shape the minds of their people. The Internet was a new "challenge" but it's mostly under their control although not at the level they control TV and every newspaper.
Also, the "story/reality" they spread in Africa, most Asia and South America is completely is completely different to the one they spread on the West. China does something similar.
To my knowledge in the West their low effort blatant lies doesn't get much traction, but the way they feed the disenfranchised, contrarians and "influencers" fostering discontent has been effective. Don't know about TikTok.
I have a hard time believing, people believe they are at full war with the NATO, yet at the same time are not allowed to call it war. There is only so much vodka you can drink.
Random people believe whatever they believe, it would be weird to assume that everyone has a consolidated perspective.
Most people hardly understand the nuances between "war", "military operation" or "proxy war".
Most people hardly understand the nuances between "war", "military operation" or "proxy war".
> not allowed to call it war
For 8 years it wasn't called a war, so what?
For 8 years it wasn't called a war, so what?
Kind of like the US in every one of its wars for the last several decades? Since Congress is supposed to have the sole authority to declare war.
And that one too.
It just always amuses me what the same people who cry about a war which isn't called a war completely ignore previous eight years when it was called a war everywhere... except officially it was ATO.
Like, come on.
It just always amuses me what the same people who cry about a war which isn't called a war completely ignore previous eight years when it was called a war everywhere... except officially it was ATO.
Like, come on.
Ask any Ukrainians who have family in Russia...
https://mobile.twitter.com/nastasiaKlimash/status/1575649514...
(This is just one example across many I've seen since February)
https://mobile.twitter.com/nastasiaKlimash/status/1575649514...
(This is just one example across many I've seen since February)
It used to be that Russian media, as well as most Russians interviewed by foreign media, gave the impression that most Russians supported the war. Since the mobilisation, the hundreds of thousands of Russians trying to flee the country tell a very different and probably much more accurate story of how many people in Russia really support the war.
This is only a partially correct take. There is a huge difference between supporting a war from your couch and doing the same in the trenches. Most of those who run _now_ are running from the latter. They were quite comfortable in the former role.
It tells us nothing, really. Hundreds of thousands is <1%
It might only surprise people, who can't quite wrap their heads around the fact that other people are individuals with their own opinions, regardless of geography.
It might only surprise people, who can't quite wrap their heads around the fact that other people are individuals with their own opinions, regardless of geography.
Hundreds of thousands is a lot. It's more than the number of Russian soldiers currently fighting in Ukraine. And there are the young men most likely to be drafted.
It might feel a lot, but is still such a small fraction. Comparing it with Russian force in Ukraine is hardly a compliment to it's size, IMO.
I just don't really understand why would one assume that such near-to-margin-of-error numbers could be indicative of anything other than an obvious fact that Russia isn't 100% homogenous (duh!).
I just don't really understand why would one assume that such near-to-margin-of-error numbers could be indicative of anything other than an obvious fact that Russia isn't 100% homogenous (duh!).
yes, sounds about right
Don't underestimate propaganda in Africa, where Russia ( and China) have much more influence.
Simple logic check:
How many satellites, AWACS does UA have?
How many satellites, AWACS does UA have?
Well if Ukraine did not have the American made weapons, they would have folded in less than a month. The United States has spent close to 100B in aid for Ukraine in the last 6 months and other amounts of money by the EU as aid. All told it is about 5-10x Russia’s yearly military budget.
All in all, Russia is a very weak country with less than 1.5T GDP. As a result, any infusion of huge sum on money by external actors will tilt the balance in the favor of the party that gets the money .
All in all, Russia is a very weak country with less than 1.5T GDP. As a result, any infusion of huge sum on money by external actors will tilt the balance in the favor of the party that gets the money .
> As a result, any infusion of huge sum on money by external actors will tilt the balance in the favor of the party that gets the money.
Counterpoint: Afghanistan. Money and matériel are surprisingly ineffective without the people and institutions capable of leveraging them.
Counterpoint: Afghanistan. Money and matériel are surprisingly ineffective without the people and institutions capable of leveraging them.
Exactly. The reason it's worth it to send those weapons, is because Ukrainians themselves are so eager to fight for their country. That is the massive difference between Ukraine on one hand, and Afghanistan and Iraq on the other; Ukrainians know exactly what they're fighting for, and what they're fighting against. I don't think it's possible to break their fighting spirit.
All that spin about NATO fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian is wrong. It's the Ukrainians themselves who want to fight for their country, with or without outside help. The outside help just makes it easier, but they would have fought either way.
All that spin about NATO fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian is wrong. It's the Ukrainians themselves who want to fight for their country, with or without outside help. The outside help just makes it easier, but they would have fought either way.
Why imply that Ukrainians motivation somehow excludes NATO from the equation?
NATO provides intelligence, training, counsel and supplies. You can't just pretend it's not involved and that at some point this war didn't become Russia's proxy war with NATO.
NATO provides intelligence, training, counsel and supplies. You can't just pretend it's not involved and that at some point this war didn't become Russia's proxy war with NATO.
Russia may see it as a proxy war, but Ukrainians don't. To them, it's entirely about the future and freedom of Ukraine.
You've got to understand that while the current generation of Ukrainians grew up in relative freedom, their parents and grandparents grew up in the Soviet Union. And now with Putin trying to subjugate Ukraine, they fear that their children may grow up in a similar situation, and possibly worse, with all the Russian talk of genocide.
So that's why they're fighting so hard. They're fighting for their lives, their freedom, and that of their children and grandchildren. That's an incredibly powerful motivator, and I'm absolutely convinced that they'd fight just as hard without foreign support. But that support does give them a better fighting chance, enabling them to fight Russia on equal footing, instead of relying mostly on partisan/guerilla warfare, which is actually what NATO expected to happen.
With or without support, I don't think this is a war that Russia could possibly win; there's just too much at stake for Ukraine, and not enough for Russia. People are generally eager to fight for their own lives and freedom, but not to subjugate others. Especially not a brother nation, as Ukrainians and Russians used to see each other before this.
You've got to understand that while the current generation of Ukrainians grew up in relative freedom, their parents and grandparents grew up in the Soviet Union. And now with Putin trying to subjugate Ukraine, they fear that their children may grow up in a similar situation, and possibly worse, with all the Russian talk of genocide.
So that's why they're fighting so hard. They're fighting for their lives, their freedom, and that of their children and grandchildren. That's an incredibly powerful motivator, and I'm absolutely convinced that they'd fight just as hard without foreign support. But that support does give them a better fighting chance, enabling them to fight Russia on equal footing, instead of relying mostly on partisan/guerilla warfare, which is actually what NATO expected to happen.
With or without support, I don't think this is a war that Russia could possibly win; there's just too much at stake for Ukraine, and not enough for Russia. People are generally eager to fight for their own lives and freedom, but not to subjugate others. Especially not a brother nation, as Ukrainians and Russians used to see each other before this.
IMO, these bitter-sweet kind of "freedom fighting" narratives just too rarely represent real life, and the iceberg of this conflict is surely huge.
There is too much "nothing happened at Tienanmen Square" kind of stuff for "long-sought freedom" kind of scenarios to be believable.
There is too much "nothing happened at Tienanmen Square" kind of stuff for "long-sought freedom" kind of scenarios to be believable.
I don't deny that it's rare, but this is a pretty clear and blatant case of it.
That the people of China don't fight for freedom like this is a completely different issue, though maybe not as different as the reason Russian don't. For Ukraine, the situation is quite different, though: they have tasted freedom for 30 years, and there's a clear external party who undeniably wants to take it away from them. Can't get much clearer than that.
That the people of China don't fight for freedom like this is a completely different issue, though maybe not as different as the reason Russian don't. For Ukraine, the situation is quite different, though: they have tasted freedom for 30 years, and there's a clear external party who undeniably wants to take it away from them. Can't get much clearer than that.
It's only that clear and blatant, when you cozily watch it on TV. A nice captivating narrative with clear morals, "good", "bad" and all the other storybook stuff that literally never happens in real life.
I'm sorry, but I just feel like your impressions of it are naive, as you reason in categories that don't have weight for real actual individuals in real actual life.
"Fighting for freedom after tasting it for 30 years" is something that only exists in storybooks. In reality it's always powerful people making the decisions and then agitating other people into submission.
Real individuals are preoccupied with much more mundane things, like providing for their families and so on. Ukrainians, Russians, Chinese, whatever. Denying them this is a very typical dehumanization and manipulation tactics, commonly found in western supremacist culture, i.e. "why don't they fight for freedom" tropes.
I'm sorry, but I just feel like your impressions of it are naive, as you reason in categories that don't have weight for real actual individuals in real actual life.
"Fighting for freedom after tasting it for 30 years" is something that only exists in storybooks. In reality it's always powerful people making the decisions and then agitating other people into submission.
Real individuals are preoccupied with much more mundane things, like providing for their families and so on. Ukrainians, Russians, Chinese, whatever. Denying them this is a very typical dehumanization and manipulation tactics, commonly found in western supremacist culture, i.e. "why don't they fight for freedom" tropes.
I suggest you read and watch a bit more about how Ukrainians themselves feel about this situation. Their fighting spirit is higher than I've ever seen in a war. And it makes total sense if you think about why.
Yes, powerful people make the decisions, but those decisions are meaningless if nobody obeys them. You see that in Russia without hundreds of thousands of people fleeing the country in order to avoid conscription. They have no faith whatsoever in Putin's war, and don't want to fight in it. Ukraine, on the other hand, doesn't just have much of its own population willing to do what they can, they also have many foreign volunteers who believe sufficiently in their cause to help them. That is not something that happens when the decision only comes from the top. This is a massive difference between Russia and Ukraine, and it's visible in the vastly different morale of the soldiers on the ground.
> Real individuals are preoccupied with much more mundane things, like providing for their families and so on.
Yes, but how are you going to do that when your country is being invaded by someone who wants you dead? This is exactly why Ukrainians are so eager to fight and Russians are not: the effect the war has on them personally.
Yes, powerful people make the decisions, but those decisions are meaningless if nobody obeys them. You see that in Russia without hundreds of thousands of people fleeing the country in order to avoid conscription. They have no faith whatsoever in Putin's war, and don't want to fight in it. Ukraine, on the other hand, doesn't just have much of its own population willing to do what they can, they also have many foreign volunteers who believe sufficiently in their cause to help them. That is not something that happens when the decision only comes from the top. This is a massive difference between Russia and Ukraine, and it's visible in the vastly different morale of the soldiers on the ground.
> Real individuals are preoccupied with much more mundane things, like providing for their families and so on.
Yes, but how are you going to do that when your country is being invaded by someone who wants you dead? This is exactly why Ukrainians are so eager to fight and Russians are not: the effect the war has on them personally.
it's silly to compare Ukraine with Afghanistan. Ukraine was an important part of USSR. so they were once the nr. 2 super power in the world. morale helps but it's far from the deciding factor. they were preparing for some time, it's easier to defend, they get huge help from tens of countries. Russia went it too weak. they assembled a force equal in size to Ukraine but you need much more if you're the attacker.
I think you are heavily making things up. US heavy weapons started arriving like 3 months from when invasion started, US aid is very far from 100B.
I was curious about these competing claims, so I googled for the answer.
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/317337...
Dated Sept. 28, 2022
"In total, the United States has now committed approximately $16.9 billion in security assistance to Ukraine since January 2021. Since 2014, the United States has committed approximately $19 billion in security assistance to Ukraine more than $16.2 billion since the beginning of Russia’s unprovoked and brutal invasion on February 24."
I'm not sure that all of the money/material has yet reached Ukraine. But that is what is said to be committed.
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/317337...
Dated Sept. 28, 2022
"In total, the United States has now committed approximately $16.9 billion in security assistance to Ukraine since January 2021. Since 2014, the United States has committed approximately $19 billion in security assistance to Ukraine more than $16.2 billion since the beginning of Russia’s unprovoked and brutal invasion on February 24."
I'm not sure that all of the money/material has yet reached Ukraine. But that is what is said to be committed.
Most of the weapons given to Ukraine have been lost and unaccounted for.
CBS published this report on the missing weapons stolen by corrupt groups operating within Ukraine. Shortly afterwards they were forced to amend a statement that someone is trying to track the newer shipments, without explaining any sort of actual plan for accountability.
War is racketeering. https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZWzxbS8eUKc
CBS published this report on the missing weapons stolen by corrupt groups operating within Ukraine. Shortly afterwards they were forced to amend a statement that someone is trying to track the newer shipments, without explaining any sort of actual plan for accountability.
War is racketeering. https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZWzxbS8eUKc
This story was retracted by CBS because it turned out to be hugely misleading and is no where near the truth about the situation today. Trying to pass it off as such is at best misleading and at worst actively malicious.
But even going down that path of thinking, it’s amazing Ukraine has decimated the Russian armed forces with only a fraction of the weapons they were supplied with!. /s.
But even going down that path of thinking, it’s amazing Ukraine has decimated the Russian armed forces with only a fraction of the weapons they were supplied with!. /s.
The story was not retracted by CBS, they only removed a quote.
You seem motivated to hide corruption lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Ukraine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_mafia
You seem motivated to hide corruption lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Ukraine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_mafia
This is the funniest angle that Russian propoganda stopped pushing like a month ago because they realized how bad it makes their army look.
I’m motivated to refute Russian propaganda. Something you seem motivated to spread. The quote was the only part that talked any solid numbers about aid to Ukraine, so how can you even make and analysis.
You also never mentioned the quote is from the very start of the war and how the situation of supplies is very different now.
You also never mentioned the quote is from the very start of the war and how the situation of supplies is very different now.
CBS is America, not Russian? The history of Ukrainian political corruption predates the war from Russia.
Russia is a corrupt aggressor, but that does not mean Ukrainian abuses should be ignored. Zelensky is not allowing Ukrainian citizens the freedom to leave the country for safety.
How is it different now?
Russia is a corrupt aggressor, but that does not mean Ukrainian abuses should be ignored. Zelensky is not allowing Ukrainian citizens the freedom to leave the country for safety.
How is it different now?
> CBS is America, not Russian? The history of Ukrainian political corruption predates the war from Russia.
CBS is American but this idea that the majority of weapons aren’t being in Ukraine cause they are being sold or stolen or lost _is propaganda_. Nothing supports this idea for the current phase of the war and people have generally moved on from this narrative.
CBS is American but this idea that the majority of weapons aren’t being in Ukraine cause they are being sold or stolen or lost _is propaganda_. Nothing supports this idea for the current phase of the war and people have generally moved on from this narrative.
What does limiting who can leave the country during war time have to do with corruption? The narrative of Ukraine loosing most western weapons was started by Russia and then they dropped it since UA advance was clearly showing them to be total BS.
Zelensky gets more money the longer the war drags on. If Ukrainians are allowed freedom to exit to safety, then Zelensky and the oligarchs will not reep as much donations.
Interpol chief is Russian??
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/02/ukraine-weapon...
lol you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Interpol chief is Russian??
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/02/ukraine-weapon...
lol you have no idea what you’re talking about.
> lol you have no idea what you’re talking about
You have added some useful links to this discussion but this is the second time you’ve undermined your own argument by laughing at the person you’re responding to. Please be aware of the Hacker News Guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
> Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community.
You have added some useful links to this discussion but this is the second time you’ve undermined your own argument by laughing at the person you’re responding to. Please be aware of the Hacker News Guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
> Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community.
You obviously do. Yes Ukraine should just surrender and no you are not spreading Russia propaganda
Note how the Interpol chief used the future tense.
Why did he talk about the future with such certainty?
It would be unthinkable that he was "influence" to make such claims for a certain purpose.
Also important to remember a portion of funds is being allocated to "trade up" soviet equipment in NATO countries to modern US variants. E.g. US gives modern US tanks to say Poland and Poland gives soviet tanks to Ukraine. Also some equipment has limited shelf life so if not used it would have being replaced in the next few years anyway.
Yeah, yah, these were just chronoported to Feb 28: https://www.militaryimages.net/threads/ukrainian-military.59...
Site seems crushed under load.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220929224847/https://www.amazo...
https://web.archive.org/web/20220929224847/https://www.amazo...
Thankyou for posting that link.
I was not expecting a strong response to the post; I took no steps to handle additional traffic.
Experience is the key to performance, and this is the first time I've posted a noticable thread.
I've upped the number of Apache servers to four and increased the thread count per server to 32. Too late now, of course; but I'll know better in the unlikely event I should come again to post something of interest.
I was not expecting a strong response to the post; I took no steps to handle additional traffic.
Experience is the key to performance, and this is the first time I've posted a noticable thread.
I've upped the number of Apache servers to four and increased the thread count per server to 32. Too late now, of course; but I'll know better in the unlikely event I should come again to post something of interest.
I have rewritten the blog, moving to an index-based layout, rather than the original single-page layout.
I've also moved the CSS link inline. There is no javascript, there are no cookies.
This has broken the link for this story. I added a redirect, but it does nothing. No errors, no logging, just... doesn't do anything. That's an experience I have to say I have had before, with Apache =-)
I've added a couple of words of explanation to the top of the index, and a link there to the blog post.
I've also moved the CSS link inline. There is no javascript, there are no cookies.
This has broken the link for this story. I added a redirect, but it does nothing. No errors, no logging, just... doesn't do anything. That's an experience I have to say I have had before, with Apache =-)
I've added a couple of words of explanation to the top of the index, and a link there to the blog post.
try using cloudflare, it's free and looks like is suitable for your needs. Also, for static websites, you can try using github pages/cloudflare pages- free hosting for static websites
For being named after an AWS product I thought it would have some better uptime!
I wouldn't want AWS to catch any flak because of me, well, not unless I'm writing about Redshift, in which case they get all flak that's appropriate :-)
AWS have nothing to do with this site, and certainly nothing to do with its hosting.
AWS have nothing to do with this site, and certainly nothing to do with its hosting.
My engineer friend, with whom we develop the first phones on the 8051 processor in the 90s, left Bucha a few hours before the Russian invasion. In fact, russian governmet destroyed the Ukrainians at the beginning of the collapse of the Soviet Union. More than 50 programmers suffered. We asked for help for many years, but the russian government made Ukraine an outsider and this buried a lot of projects that could have been successful like WhatsApp the founder is from Ukraine.
Unfortunately, russian government look at Ukrainians as slaves for all 30 years of Ukrainian independence. Thank you for your visit and support
Page isn't loading, posted 18 mins ago by a green name, how did it already get 13 points? Anybody get a screenshot or archive link before it dropped?
Found more info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha_massacre
Going to return when the site's back up.
Found more info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha_massacre
Going to return when the site's back up.
At the moment there are 3 posts in HN home page by "green names". Nothing strange IMHO as I've never seen any indication that post ranking is affected by age of poster account.
It's actually a new, second account. I posted for post of a year, then had the original account deleted. I strayed too much from being on-topic (that topic being Redshift).
https://archive.ph/20160327060128/http://www.washingtonsblog...
This blog post was scrubbed from the internet shortly after.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Blackout2015/comments/4ylml3/reddit... "Reddit has removed their blog post identifying Eglin Air Force Base as the most reddit-addicted "city" - Eglin is often cited as the source of some government social-media propaganda/astroturfing programs"
Also note the same themed posts on reddit from accounts that are around 1-2 years old and have 4-5 random posts in last one year but are suddenly active posting about the war.
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free"
This blog post was scrubbed from the internet shortly after.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Blackout2015/comments/4ylml3/reddit... "Reddit has removed their blog post identifying Eglin Air Force Base as the most reddit-addicted "city" - Eglin is often cited as the source of some government social-media propaganda/astroturfing programs"
Also note the same themed posts on reddit from accounts that are around 1-2 years old and have 4-5 random posts in last one year but are suddenly active posting about the war.
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free"
It seems to me that lots of things get upvotes from people who just want to discuss it and don't click to actually read it. In particular, I wonder how many things in the 'new' page actually get read before being upvoted -- links are usually on the first page of 'new' for only 15 minutes or something like that. It would be interesting to see the composition of the front page if people instead had to click first before being able to upvote.
Off topic, but I was wondering what the green names signify since I started following HN. Can you please tell?
New account
I know this isn't the topic, since this blogpost is about something else, but the redshift reverse engineering section of the site is excellent.
Reading the whitepapers, you can see the author is really knowledgable about redshift and also hates it with a passion as only someone who spend years fixing it would have :)
Reading the whitepapers, you can see the author is really knowledgable about redshift and also hates it with a passion as only someone who spend years fixing it would have :)
Max was (maybe still is, I haven’t been there in a while) quite active in the dbt slack in the redshift channel. He helped me immensely. He really, really, really knows his stuff.
Thankyou!
You're very kind to say so :-)
I have to say, I think for all of us if we devote all our time to one particular and extra-ordinarily narrow field we may well come know more than others in that field, it always remains the case that the difference between what we know and what there is to know, remains enourmous.
You're very kind to say so :-)
I have to say, I think for all of us if we devote all our time to one particular and extra-ordinarily narrow field we may well come know more than others in that field, it always remains the case that the difference between what we know and what there is to know, remains enourmous.
Ah, a fellow sufferer! :-)
Putin is expected to formally annex four Ukrainian regions, following sham elections.
From the outset Russia's war of aggression sets it outside its obligations under the UN Charter, the Budapest memorandum, and Geneva Convention. But once annexation is announced by Russia, the rest of the world has to decide what to do about a violation of the most central proscription in all of international law.
I'm skeptical the UN system avoids defacto collapse if it refuses to strangle the Russian regime at this point. And if the UN system ends, whether 5 months or 50 years, I uave serious doubts about WW3 being avoidable. The UN system stinks. But it's all we have, born from the ashes of WW1 and 2, to avoid it. Since we haven't done the hard work of getting rid of nukes, I'm also skeptical humanity avoids using at least one.
China and India need to show up and defend the Charter. They agreed to be bound by this obligation.
From the outset Russia's war of aggression sets it outside its obligations under the UN Charter, the Budapest memorandum, and Geneva Convention. But once annexation is announced by Russia, the rest of the world has to decide what to do about a violation of the most central proscription in all of international law.
I'm skeptical the UN system avoids defacto collapse if it refuses to strangle the Russian regime at this point. And if the UN system ends, whether 5 months or 50 years, I uave serious doubts about WW3 being avoidable. The UN system stinks. But it's all we have, born from the ashes of WW1 and 2, to avoid it. Since we haven't done the hard work of getting rid of nukes, I'm also skeptical humanity avoids using at least one.
China and India need to show up and defend the Charter. They agreed to be bound by this obligation.
> the rest of the world has to decide what to do about a violation of the most central proscription in all of international law.
Morocco annexed Western Sahara, and while most of the world still considers that illegal, the United States has been pretty open about supporting Morocco's control over the area, and Morocco enjoys good international relations otherwise.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/us-open-...
Annexation has happened a few times over the past few decades.
Morocco annexed Western Sahara, and while most of the world still considers that illegal, the United States has been pretty open about supporting Morocco's control over the area, and Morocco enjoys good international relations otherwise.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/us-open-...
Annexation has happened a few times over the past few decades.
I think the highest value of the UN is in the security council. It's a forum for the nuclear powers to talk to each other. Everything else is secondary. If it's enough to avoid WW3, I don't know, but it's all we have.
This has always been my opinion: by definition the UN can't really have enforcement power...but a huge problem in international politics is that you have to actually have protocols and procedures by which the various world powers can communicate with each other at the correct levels of government.
It's the physical action problem: when a government makes policy, how does that go from words to actions? In the international relations business it's the same issue: the prime minister or president or whoever wants to communicate a message reliably to other nations - but who exactly do they talk to do it? (this problem was why the hotline system between the US and Russia was setup after the Cuban missile crisis - a major issue driving the decision making was 6 to 12 hour communication delays trying to go through embassies and hoping messages were being accurately sent).
It's the physical action problem: when a government makes policy, how does that go from words to actions? In the international relations business it's the same issue: the prime minister or president or whoever wants to communicate a message reliably to other nations - but who exactly do they talk to do it? (this problem was why the hotline system between the US and Russia was setup after the Cuban missile crisis - a major issue driving the decision making was 6 to 12 hour communication delays trying to go through embassies and hoping messages were being accurately sent).
Even the Security Council has limited usefulness in a confrontation like this, because decisions are so politicized. The case of Bucha is a great example. When reports of atrocities first came out, it was Russia who requested the UN to launch a commission of inquiry into Bucha, and it was the UK, who held the presidency of the Security Council at the time, that blocked it. This was reported in Ukrainian news. (https://frontnews.eu/en/news/details/25750)
1. No wonder. The UN is the epitome of “politicised”. It is it’s main function.
2. No wonder the UK blocked an inquiry into how the Ukrainians blatantly massacred themselves to provoke Russia.
2. No wonder the UK blocked an inquiry into how the Ukrainians blatantly massacred themselves to provoke Russia.
Russia is a permanent member of the Security Council and will veto anything holding it accountable. The Security Council is already lost.
And under the UN Charter, Russia can't be removed. The Soviet Union were expelled from the League of Nations after invading Finland in 1939.
The General Assembly can and should do more. Or the UN system will defacto collapse into irrelevance.
And under the UN Charter, Russia can't be removed. The Soviet Union were expelled from the League of Nations after invading Finland in 1939.
The General Assembly can and should do more. Or the UN system will defacto collapse into irrelevance.
What? North Korea, india, Pakistan are not on the security council, and most mitigation of nuclear war probably happens via things that are less public (red phones). Hell. The US and Russia even collaborate - to this day - on a space station, that's independent of and does more for preventing nuclear war than the UN security council
These powers can't (yet, maybe) fight WW3.
If they become a credible force in the future, I fully expect them to be accepted in the security council.
North Korea isn't even worth mentioning, their weapons are a joke except as leverage enough to get free UN food from time to time.
If they become a credible force in the future, I fully expect them to be accepted in the security council.
North Korea isn't even worth mentioning, their weapons are a joke except as leverage enough to get free UN food from time to time.
You just moved the goalposts and did not address the point I made, which is that the bulk of security council work is not discussing nuclear issues, and that the powers with nukes have other ways of talking to each other.
Okay, let’s put it this way. The security council is a way to lessen the risk that the most powerful countries destroy the world. I think this is the most important piece of the UN. This is my opinion.
This is mostly for internal consumption. All legal question aside in say Zaporizhzhia region the russian occupied area has less than 200K people while the whole region has 1.7 mil. There are no optics you can put on this to make it look even remotely meaningful.
"I'm skeptical the UN system avoids defacto collapse if it refuses to strangle the Russian regime at this point"
Maybe it simply lacks power? What can they do, except declare the referendum illegal?
Maybe it simply lacks power? What can they do, except declare the referendum illegal?
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IDK, I’ve seen enough war damage in Panama and Iraq that I know I don’t want to take a tourist trip into a post-combat zone.
Seems somewhat disrespectful to me.
Seems somewhat disrespectful to me.
I may be wrong, but I think it depends why you go.
I felt I had to go, and it is specifically a feeling, inside me. I've been trying to pin down exactly what it is, and I'm not sure I've succeeded.
It's something like where something so awful happened here, to ordinary people, the horror, the terror, the violence and death, it feels encumbent to - and grimly - witness what happened.
I felt I had to go, and it is specifically a feeling, inside me. I've been trying to pin down exactly what it is, and I'm not sure I've succeeded.
It's something like where something so awful happened here, to ordinary people, the horror, the terror, the violence and death, it feels encumbent to - and grimly - witness what happened.
There is actually a technical component to the Bucha story, as there seems to be controversy over the satellite imagery. On April 4, the NYT published a satellite photo of Bucha dated March 11.[1] However, a Russian OSINT group claims the photo dates April 1.[2]
Machine translation:
Thanks to the help of our team of OSINT and GEOINT specialists, it was possible to determine the time of the image for certain.
- A picture from the NYT allegedly from March 19 shows sand alluviums after a downpour that went from the 31st to the first.
- The attached comparison from the NYT is based on two images that have identical shadow positions. They allegedly compared March 19 and February 28. In fact, they compared February 28 and April 1 - the time and position of the shadows coincide. The original dates of the pictures are American time.
- The Maxar website provides information on which satellites have been surveying the Bucha region over the past period. A total of three satellites were involved.
- By checking the angle of inclination of the Sun above the horizon, the SunCalc program was able to find out by searching the exact time of the image and the direction of the shadows.
- The picture was taken on April 1 at 11:57 GMT (14:57 local summer time).
[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/04/briefing/russia-ukraine-w...
[2] https://t.me/rybar/30599
Machine translation:
Thanks to the help of our team of OSINT and GEOINT specialists, it was possible to determine the time of the image for certain.
- A picture from the NYT allegedly from March 19 shows sand alluviums after a downpour that went from the 31st to the first.
- The attached comparison from the NYT is based on two images that have identical shadow positions. They allegedly compared March 19 and February 28. In fact, they compared February 28 and April 1 - the time and position of the shadows coincide. The original dates of the pictures are American time.
- The Maxar website provides information on which satellites have been surveying the Bucha region over the past period. A total of three satellites were involved.
- By checking the angle of inclination of the Sun above the horizon, the SunCalc program was able to find out by searching the exact time of the image and the direction of the shadows.
- The picture was taken on April 1 at 11:57 GMT (14:57 local summer time).
[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/04/briefing/russia-ukraine-w...
[2] https://t.me/rybar/30599
If by "controversy" you mean disinformation techniques designed to cast doubt on credible reports of war crimes, you are correct. See [1] for an analysis of this claim, including tracing it back to WarOnFakes and denials by Peskov. One of the great things about that report (making it I think particularly suitable for a Hacker News audience) is that it invites skeptical or critical readers to check the evidence themselves. Likely there is a reader of this thread who is competent at analyzing satellite imagery metadata and figuring out shadow angles.
[1]: https://www.info-res.org/post/disinformation-denial-russia-s...
[1]: https://www.info-res.org/post/disinformation-denial-russia-s...
Dispassionate technical analysis is where I'm trying to turn the focus, getting away from the reliance on emotional and ad hominem rhetoric in these threads.
That's interesting, I hope to study it deeper one day.
Do you have similar info about the Kramatorsk train station attack by Tochka-U? I saw explanations that, relatively convincingly imho, attribute the launch to Urkainian forces.
Namely, if one draws a line through the the place where the rocket part fallen and where the warhead exploded, that line points to Ukrainan positions (to Dobropillia).
In addition, Conflict Intelligence Team (an anti-Putin open source investigation group), analyzed the situation based on the orientation of the rocket part itself, as it layed on the ground. Their report: https://t.me/CITeam/2463. According to them, the rocket part can at most change orientation by 45 degrees. So they draw a sector +-45° from the rocket part direction as it lays on the ground, and only on a far side of this sector they find Russian positions (see the map in the report). Given the probabilistic nature of this process, I think the further away from the actual direction of the rocker part (which points almost directly to Dobropillia on the map), the less likely this is the source of the launch. In other words, the Russian positions are in an "unlikely" part of the sector.
Anyways, using two points - the rocker part location and the explosion point - seems to be the strongest argument. (I haven't geolocated the photos myself yet, but those reports claim the line points towards Dobropillia).
Do you know good counter arguments to this?
Do you have similar info about the Kramatorsk train station attack by Tochka-U? I saw explanations that, relatively convincingly imho, attribute the launch to Urkainian forces.
Namely, if one draws a line through the the place where the rocket part fallen and where the warhead exploded, that line points to Ukrainan positions (to Dobropillia).
In addition, Conflict Intelligence Team (an anti-Putin open source investigation group), analyzed the situation based on the orientation of the rocket part itself, as it layed on the ground. Their report: https://t.me/CITeam/2463. According to them, the rocket part can at most change orientation by 45 degrees. So they draw a sector +-45° from the rocket part direction as it lays on the ground, and only on a far side of this sector they find Russian positions (see the map in the report). Given the probabilistic nature of this process, I think the further away from the actual direction of the rocker part (which points almost directly to Dobropillia on the map), the less likely this is the source of the launch. In other words, the Russian positions are in an "unlikely" part of the sector.
Anyways, using two points - the rocker part location and the explosion point - seems to be the strongest argument. (I haven't geolocated the photos myself yet, but those reports claim the line points towards Dobropillia).
Do you know good counter arguments to this?
In fact I do, Bellingcat has published extensive analysis[1] of this attack.
[1]: https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2022/04/14/russias-kramators...
[1]: https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2022/04/14/russias-kramators...
Thanks, I will read it. (This question seems addressed starting with phrase: "Information shared on pro-Russian Telegram channels, meanwhile, compared the area where the missile’s missile body landed with the general impact zone of the cluster munitions.")
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An aspect of the Ukraine war I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around is how close (geographically) everything is. I thought of Kyiv along the lines of London during the Blitz -- in danger, but not necessarily on the front lines -- and of Bucha as perhaps a town along the road from Russian territory.
But in truth it's more like a suburb. The distance from Bucha's rail station to the Office of the President of Ukraine is about the same as San Francisco to Millbrae.
It puts into perspective how fraught the early days of the invasion were, and the true weight of Zelensky holding his ground in Kyiv.