Ask HN: Does 'cheap' offshore (non-NA) talent exist?
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You want below market value talent,
you will need to hunt.
Every good developer knows what money they can get. If a good dev is working for $50k a year in eastern europe it is because they love the job for some other reason or do not want to work for a foreign company.
If you want cheap and good you need to turn off a filter the mainstream uses.
Every good developer knows what money they can get. If a good dev is working for $50k a year in eastern europe it is because they love the job for some other reason or do not want to work for a foreign company.
If you want cheap and good you need to turn off a filter the mainstream uses.
Talented engineers know their value. It doesn’t matter where they live. Do you really think that a talented ukranian or mexican developer would offer their services cheap? They are probably realistic enough to not charge 100% what Silicon Valley engineers charge, but they will charge at least 80%. They are not dumb.
Exists, but very very hard to find without middle man agency. Hence escalated cost.
Services in India end up hiring from colleges, train and prepare for market. Hence they charge a premium.
Keep exploring in github, linkedin for direct hires. Have a good mechanism to shortlist. Good mechanism to evaluate. Good mechanism to validate culture fit
Sadly not many appreciate ESOPs though.
Services in India end up hiring from colleges, train and prepare for market. Hence they charge a premium.
Keep exploring in github, linkedin for direct hires. Have a good mechanism to shortlist. Good mechanism to evaluate. Good mechanism to validate culture fit
Sadly not many appreciate ESOPs though.
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Have you looked into non-EU member countries in Europe, say Kosovo or Macedonia? Let me know if you are interested and I can help.
My email is in my profile.
I think H1B visas might be the perfect choice for your company. Import highly experienced resources from third world countries that dream of living in the US. Pay them subsistence salaries. Let the resources know that you will terminate their visa if they complain about low pay or high workload. Win win for everyone!
sound cynical and most people think business cannot succeed if they do like this. but you can. you can build over $1 trillion USD market cap. company i referring to is Amazon.
entire amazon campus basically 1 h1b visa holder after another. everyone of them i worked with say they only dealing with abuse because need to leave country if they quit and they scare of get PIP ..amazon process led by manager and hr to fire employee
entire amazon campus basically 1 h1b visa holder after another. everyone of them i worked with say they only dealing with abuse because need to leave country if they quit and they scare of get PIP ..amazon process led by manager and hr to fire employee
if US citizen nerds, like me, weren't so ignorant, lazy, and afraid, we'd work with our h1b fam to get us all more money and job security and dignity.
c'est la vie.
c'est la vie.
You can contact me, for instance :)
However, with so many embracing remote work, I think there are more global opportunities than ever before, and so available local talent is harder to come by, which means salaries are increasing at an arguably unsustainable pace. This is great for developers, but makes it harder for businesses to afford, thereby pushing some businesses to explore offshore/nearshore hiring.
Unfortunately, the challenge doesn't end there. For example, the cost of living for many Eastern European countries is many times less than in North America, yet the cost of hiring developers in these countries can be the same or more than what you might pay for local talent. I've recently reviewed a number of candidates from agencies based in Bulgaria, Poland, and Ukraine - all of which are looking for ~10k USD/month for mid-level developers (3-5 years experience). These rates kill the viability of outsourcing, leaving us right where we started.
Have you found talent in non-North American regions for an amount of any significant savings? Thanks for reading, I'm really curious to know your perspective/experience!