ISRO successfully conducts landing experiment of the Reusable Launch Vehicle(thehindu.com)
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ISRO successfully conducts landing experiment of the Reusable Launch Vehicle
https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/isro-successfully-conducts-landing-experiment-of-the-reusable-launch-vehicle/article66690655.ece
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This is a technology demonstrator so it makes sense to start with just a drop but looking at the size of the launch vehicle and the parameters tested here, seems like the progress is coming on slow as the article mentions this was first tested in 2016.
I am not very familiar with rockets, so this might be out of ignorance but wouldn't the plane like characteristics of this TD make it hard to use for actual launch rockets as they travel quite a bit up and having the winged body might add extra overhead compared to a cylindrical stage.
I am not very familiar with rockets, so this might be out of ignorance but wouldn't the plane like characteristics of this TD make it hard to use for actual launch rockets as they travel quite a bit up and having the winged body might add extra overhead compared to a cylindrical stage.
Winged body is supposed to be second stage, sitting vertically on the rocket which lifts the whole rocket. Winged body cross section is almost circular that should match the lifting rocket, reducing the drag considerably.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypersonic_Flight_Experiment#/...
This winged RLV, vertical landing launchers etc. are research programs that are generally under funded low priority programs. With the launch of India's human spaceflight program, RLV went even further down or priority list. I don't expect anything to come out of this in this decade, until after HSP program launches.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypersonic_Flight_Experiment#/...
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This winged RLV, vertical landing launchers etc. are research programs that are generally under funded low priority programs. With the launch of India's human spaceflight program, RLV went even further down or priority list. I don't expect anything to come out of this in this decade, until after HSP program launches.
Ah, that makes more sense.
> I don't expect anything to come out of this in this decade, until after HSP program launches.
From a commercial perspective, wouldn't putting more money into heavy launch vehicles and reusability make more sense? Russia's space business will take a hit with the sanctions and that leaves the market open for a price competitive provider other than SpaceX?
> I don't expect anything to come out of this in this decade, until after HSP program launches.
From a commercial perspective, wouldn't putting more money into heavy launch vehicles and reusability make more sense? Russia's space business will take a hit with the sanctions and that leaves the market open for a price competitive provider other than SpaceX?
ISRO has plans for heavy lifter with reusability, latest iteration of design named ULV. That is waiting on completion of semi-cryo engine they are developing (SCE-200), which is supposed to by complete by early 2010s, but got delayed. With no further updates on the status of SCE-200 after the launch of HSP. With ISRO limited funding and personnel, RLV and ULV took back stage after HSP program went into high gear.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Launch_Vehicle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Launch_Vehicle
> Russia's space business will take a hit with the sanctions and that leaves the market open for a price competitive provider other than SpaceX?
Surely, that also leaves the market open for an alternative to SpaceX for putting people into space? But yes, reusable launch vehicles should be a high priority.
Surely, that also leaves the market open for an alternative to SpaceX for putting people into space? But yes, reusable launch vehicles should be a high priority.
As an Indian, I'm proud of what ISRO does. With the constraints given to them, (financial, political, social) it's a marvel they're still able to deliver results as often as they do.
As an Indian taxpayer I'm frustrated that I effectively cannot control how my money is used.
The central government spent $2 B on the Central Vista project, which is a wholly unnecessary construction project for our 550 MPs to feel better about themselves. Incidentally, this is the same as the entire annual budget allocated to ISRO, which benefits hundreds of millions of Indians and no doubt has an effect of all of us.
I would much rather they double ISROs budget and let MPs work in the perfectly adequate building they already had.
As an Indian taxpayer I'm frustrated that I effectively cannot control how my money is used.
The central government spent $2 B on the Central Vista project, which is a wholly unnecessary construction project for our 550 MPs to feel better about themselves. Incidentally, this is the same as the entire annual budget allocated to ISRO, which benefits hundreds of millions of Indians and no doubt has an effect of all of us.
I would much rather they double ISROs budget and let MPs work in the perfectly adequate building they already had.
Why India should continue to invest in space technology?
Odisha cyclone in 1999: 10,000 dead. Odisha cyclone of similar intensity in 2019: < 50 dead because ISRO was better equipped to track the cyclone path giving enough time for Govt to evacuate people to safety.
Ignore the ignorant including "liberal", "progressive" publications like NYT which publish racist cartoons on Indian space program.
Odisha cyclone in 1999: 10,000 dead. Odisha cyclone of similar intensity in 2019: < 50 dead because ISRO was better equipped to track the cyclone path giving enough time for Govt to evacuate people to safety.
Ignore the ignorant including "liberal", "progressive" publications like NYT which publish racist cartoons on Indian space program.
Could you link an example of this kind of cartoon?
edit: here's a link https://archive.is/g0msl Shocking that the NYT published something like this
edit: here's a link https://archive.is/g0msl Shocking that the NYT published something like this
What is shocking/offensive about that?
In response to a successful mission to Mars, the cartoonist decided to reach for a lazy stereotype of a farmer dragging his cow along.
The entire cartoon uses exaggerated stereotypes to make a point. If you think the depiction of the snobbish elite is okay, you're just falling into the "it's only racism if I don't like it" nonsense.
I don't think the cartoon is racist or offensive. I was trying to explain why some people found it distasteful. And stereotyping someone as elite is surely not the same thing as stereotyping someone as poor?
To add some nuance, I think the cartoon goes both ways, but unintentionally managed to offend Indian sensibilities by portraying them that way.
I think one way to look at it is... The underdog Indians managing to rub shoulders with the likes of NASA and ESA at a fraction of the latter's budget, which isn't wrong. ISRO's missions are typically about two orders of magnitude cheaper than NASA's, while still being very productive.
Somehow threads about India just devolve into ridiculous mudslinging like no other. White people clinging to tired old stereotypes. Indians are half to blame too, being over-sensitive and oddly conservative.
I think one way to look at it is... The underdog Indians managing to rub shoulders with the likes of NASA and ESA at a fraction of the latter's budget, which isn't wrong. ISRO's missions are typically about two orders of magnitude cheaper than NASA's, while still being very productive.
Somehow threads about India just devolve into ridiculous mudslinging like no other. White people clinging to tired old stereotypes. Indians are half to blame too, being over-sensitive and oddly conservative.
> Somehow threads about India just devolve into ridiculous mudslinging like no other. White people clinging to tired old stereotypes. Indians are half to blame too, being over-sensitive and oddly conservative.
There is an additional factor. Anglophone internet tends to be dominated by Americans. So, discussions about say Denmark don't get too heated because there aren't too many Danes participating.
There is an additional factor. Anglophone internet tends to be dominated by Americans. So, discussions about say Denmark don't get too heated because there aren't too many Danes participating.
>>> I think one way to look at it is... The underdog Indians managing to rub shoulders with the likes of NASA and ESA at a fraction of the latter's budget,
How are you getting this through the cartoon? All the cartoon shows is a poor asking for permission to get into an elite club
How are you getting this through the cartoon? All the cartoon shows is a poor asking for permission to get into an elite club
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> Where else is it coming from, if not from the place of disdain onto this other nation?
Maybe instead of accusing someone of racism, try to appreciate the history behind the joke.
Cows were used for initial testing of satellite, so the NYT guys have done their homework.
https://www.livemint.com/news/india/the-rocket-science-behin...
Maybe instead of accusing someone of racism, try to appreciate the history behind the joke.
Cows were used for initial testing of satellite, so the NYT guys have done their homework.
https://www.livemint.com/news/india/the-rocket-science-behin...
> Maybe instead of accusing someone of racism
@philonoist did that right out the gate in this article with no evidence or support. It's their goto thing.
@philonoist did that right out the gate in this article with no evidence or support. It's their goto thing.
Oh my god, I know this article!!
Please stop this spreading this non-sensical misinformation.
The cartoon shows two formal dressed westerners in elite space club room startled by one uneducated man knocking with a dhoti and starving sleepy cow he catches by a rope just like village people used to do strolling on the streets of the past.
Is this the research you do to depict our Indian scientists and leaders or is it the idea that elitist differentiation of class, wealth and societal backwardness was to be shown here?
Besides, nowhere on the article it mentions that they have done their homework based on this story. Cows were not used. Open Bullock carts were used. Do you think putting a bullock cart in a cartoon would have been more difficult task to achieve than putting a Chandrayan on Moon? But no, you just have to stick to stereotype and squeeze out a rational meaning from it.
Give me a good citation and accuse me of throwing the racism card around.
Please stop this spreading this non-sensical misinformation.
The cartoon shows two formal dressed westerners in elite space club room startled by one uneducated man knocking with a dhoti and starving sleepy cow he catches by a rope just like village people used to do strolling on the streets of the past.
Is this the research you do to depict our Indian scientists and leaders or is it the idea that elitist differentiation of class, wealth and societal backwardness was to be shown here?
Besides, nowhere on the article it mentions that they have done their homework based on this story. Cows were not used. Open Bullock carts were used. Do you think putting a bullock cart in a cartoon would have been more difficult task to achieve than putting a Chandrayan on Moon? But no, you just have to stick to stereotype and squeeze out a rational meaning from it.
Give me a good citation and accuse me of throwing the racism card around.
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It’s a lazy and bad cartoon using lazy and tired stereotypes.
It’s not racist or any of the rest of the stuff.
Not all cartoons will be good.
It’s not racist or any of the rest of the stuff.
Not all cartoons will be good.
You are mistaken it's not a lazy stereotype, the cartoonist has done his/her research. India has literally used cows for testing its initial satellites.
https://www.livemint.com/news/india/the-rocket-science-behin...
https://www.livemint.com/news/india/the-rocket-science-behin...
they are not mutually exclusive
the bias. if nasa managed such a mission, it would be glorious and efficient and smart and clever. when India does it, it's somehow "budget".
I think you missed the humor.
And ISRO has a very very competitive polar low earth orbit commercial ride-sharing program.
I’m sure that India used its own observation satellites to predict weather patterns and storms but western weather observation satellites monitor the whole Earth and share the information. Not every country should (or can) have its own national weather satellite installation.
https://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/current-satellite-missions/curre...
https://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/current-satellite-missions/curre...
If a country becomes dependent on information (or anything really) like that, it becomes a bargaining tool for geopolitics.
The US, in particular is notorious about weaponizing sanctions.
The US, in particular is notorious about weaponizing sanctions.
I’m not sure how you can “weaponize sanctions” considering sanctions are universally considered economic weapons by themselves.
Us govt cut access to GPS during Indo Pak war.
Building a capability to predict weather patterns, implies, development of a slew of technologies, building an infrastructure to produce engineers and scientists, leasing out of those technologies to startups and other engineering enterprises to make better use of them.
Its not about just using the data.
Its not about just using the data.
The predictions made by your (US) meteorological department were wrong. Many would have died if we relied on you. Our meteorological department does better when it comes to local weather.
So instead of anything useful to say about technology being developed by ISRO. You come up with this random rant.
I guess I just ignore the ignorant, including "deeply insecure" and raging about minor criticism.
I guess I just ignore the ignorant, including "deeply insecure" and raging about minor criticism.
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So you think they possibly saved 9950 lives, yet a vastly greater number live in poverty and a huge proportion of them are children with no access to healthcare and education, many of them begging in the streets. But yes let's give India a round of applause for finding a minor benefit to their $2bn spending on space exploration (also ignoring the fact that they are not really achieving new science that is not or could not be done by more developed nations).
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What? There are literally hundreds of other uses of our space program which if we hadn't developed independently, we would be paying exorbitant prices to other nations for the same. Launching rockets costs us literally 10x lower cost than other nations. This thing doesn't benefit Indians only but other nations as well.
Congratulations , and I am sure this is just a beginning .
What I find even more interesting is "According to ISRO the configuration of RLV-TD is similar to that of an aircraft and combines the complexity of both launch vehicles and aircraft.". Are there any challenges in going ahead with aircraft like landing which is so much different from Space-X landing of reusable rockets
I can also highly recommend reading: Touching Lives: The Little Known Triumphs of the Indian Space Programme, by SK Das (2007).
Excerpt: Touching Lives is not merely a chronicle of the community outreach of the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO). It is the story of journeys to far corners of India meeting people whose lives have been transformed by technology.
More books about ISRO: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=33814.0
Excerpt: Touching Lives is not merely a chronicle of the community outreach of the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO). It is the story of journeys to far corners of India meeting people whose lives have been transformed by technology.
More books about ISRO: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=33814.0
Thank you. I'm going to add that book to my list, it sounds interesting.
Congrats ISRO. There will be naysayers. Ignore them and keep going.
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Their naming scheme is so austere. PSLV RLV etc. Just straight up descriptions of the objects, nothing more
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Congratulations! Listen to Mission ISRO in Spotify, if you are interested in India's space journey.
Unrelated to ISRO's honestly solid step in aerospace but to all the commentators on this thread
I'm Desi American and honestly, HN commentators from both India and the US need to stop being little bitches. It's made HN go to shit.
Boomer American HN commentators - stop being so god damn racist about South Asians. Caste and poverty doesn't define us.
Millennial+Uncle Indian HN commentators - stop using the "school shooting" trope and ultranationalism. Y'all are basically acting like Wumao.
Bring on the downvotes. I'm so sick of all the bullshit on this site
I'm Desi American and honestly, HN commentators from both India and the US need to stop being little bitches. It's made HN go to shit.
Boomer American HN commentators - stop being so god damn racist about South Asians. Caste and poverty doesn't define us.
Millennial+Uncle Indian HN commentators - stop using the "school shooting" trope and ultranationalism. Y'all are basically acting like Wumao.
Bring on the downvotes. I'm so sick of all the bullshit on this site
I will not tolerate what @Zurrrrr writes
"It's baffling to me that India is putting so much money into being part of the next space race, when they still have such vast and prominent problems on the ground.
You could say that for many countries, but there is a difference in degree IMO."
Said every racist and ignorant ever. You think we don't have people who make cost benefit analysis before investing in such projects? We don't have parliament and budget sessions?
The payloads we deploy immensely help us socially and technologically advance. Do you know that?
Ed tech itself got eGyanKosh, Swayam, NPTEL, private teachings on govt. platforms so cheap that by next year about a quarter million adults will be uplifted out of poverty. That funding is given to satellites launched by ISRO. Did you know that?
Had it not been for ISRO, we wouldn't have had larger outreach of instant cash transfers and payments. Did you know that?
Had it not been for ISRO we wouldn't be able to fight societal superstitions or bring in public health education drives let alone dumb down power play of society by caste and gender. Do you know that?
That also includes targeted courses for farmers about endemic genetic problems, weather, pests to Artists about film-making. Did you know that?
Even the money we get to deploy other western country's payloads makes people lift out of poverties in a single digit of percentage of populations in a city for every year! Do you know that?
But no. A random pompous clueless stranger on the internet comes to an sweet intelligent discussion site and declares he is baffled and India should now hold a inter-ministerial meeting to stop space projects.
These people have been everywhere from NYTIMES cartoonists to HN unfortunately. I don't understand how should one ban from this site either.
You are not contributing to the intended discussion of this site relating to the link posted, but yourself. You just want to throw around how baffled you are and sleep back in your mother's basement.
"It's baffling to me that India is putting so much money into being part of the next space race, when they still have such vast and prominent problems on the ground.
You could say that for many countries, but there is a difference in degree IMO."
Said every racist and ignorant ever. You think we don't have people who make cost benefit analysis before investing in such projects? We don't have parliament and budget sessions?
The payloads we deploy immensely help us socially and technologically advance. Do you know that?
Ed tech itself got eGyanKosh, Swayam, NPTEL, private teachings on govt. platforms so cheap that by next year about a quarter million adults will be uplifted out of poverty. That funding is given to satellites launched by ISRO. Did you know that?
Had it not been for ISRO, we wouldn't have had larger outreach of instant cash transfers and payments. Did you know that?
Had it not been for ISRO we wouldn't be able to fight societal superstitions or bring in public health education drives let alone dumb down power play of society by caste and gender. Do you know that?
That also includes targeted courses for farmers about endemic genetic problems, weather, pests to Artists about film-making. Did you know that?
Even the money we get to deploy other western country's payloads makes people lift out of poverties in a single digit of percentage of populations in a city for every year! Do you know that?
But no. A random pompous clueless stranger on the internet comes to an sweet intelligent discussion site and declares he is baffled and India should now hold a inter-ministerial meeting to stop space projects.
These people have been everywhere from NYTIMES cartoonists to HN unfortunately. I don't understand how should one ban from this site either.
You are not contributing to the intended discussion of this site relating to the link posted, but yourself. You just want to throw around how baffled you are and sleep back in your mother's basement.
You posted well over a dozen flamewar comments to this thread and broke the site guidelines egregiously. We ban accounts that do that. I don't want to ban you, so if you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and avoid this kind of thing in the future—regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are—we'd appreciate it.
I understand how provocative nationalistic flamebait can be, but that's a reason to take a step back and consciously not take the bait. Otherwise we end up in a downward spiral, as happened here.
I understand how provocative nationalistic flamebait can be, but that's a reason to take a step back and consciously not take the bait. Otherwise we end up in a downward spiral, as happened here.
I completely support India’s decision to develop a space program, and I’m a huge fan of the achievements of ISRO, it’s contribution to Indian society and the advances it’s made on a very constrained budget. The fact is though that any science or technology programme must be prepared to justify its existence and contribution to society. I’m right behind you in supporting that case, but it is entirely reasonable for that case to be questioned.
The US space programme has been questioned in almost exactly the same terms since its inception, without any hint of a racist motive. If it’s reasonable to expect NASA to justify its existence on a cost benefit basis, I think it’s reasonable to question any space programme on that basis. I don't think it’s reasonable to infer racism in this case when there was no specifically racist content in the comment.
If we’re going to convert skeptics into supporters, the way to do that is respectful reasoned argument, not impugning their motives for even asking the question.
The US space programme has been questioned in almost exactly the same terms since its inception, without any hint of a racist motive. If it’s reasonable to expect NASA to justify its existence on a cost benefit basis, I think it’s reasonable to question any space programme on that basis. I don't think it’s reasonable to infer racism in this case when there was no specifically racist content in the comment.
If we’re going to convert skeptics into supporters, the way to do that is respectful reasoned argument, not impugning their motives for even asking the question.
You don't question an answer-to-the-same-question without bothering to read the said answer first, right?
That is what is happening with @Zurrrrr guy. In fact, he is not questioning. He is just implying inefficiency and opinionating on inferior problem solving skills of India on things he won't cite his research on. That is what makes it racist.
When US was cross questioned about cost benefit analysis and comparative budge analysis, it was promptly done so by NGOs and UN backing up with how that strategy is flawed. But US was hell bent on prestige of being first in space and that reply was apparent and open to criticism.
There was no deeper prodding/questioning into the specifics or support of arguments by @Zurrrrr here. There was just a quick judgmental attitude which made me claim prejudice in him. I urge you read his comment again.
Making someone specifically racist comment is not the bar to judge. Why would someone educated make it so blatant in 2023? Racists will always incorporate euphemisms and innuendos among many other tools to crystallize their thought of racism.
That is what is happening with @Zurrrrr guy. In fact, he is not questioning. He is just implying inefficiency and opinionating on inferior problem solving skills of India on things he won't cite his research on. That is what makes it racist.
When US was cross questioned about cost benefit analysis and comparative budge analysis, it was promptly done so by NGOs and UN backing up with how that strategy is flawed. But US was hell bent on prestige of being first in space and that reply was apparent and open to criticism.
There was no deeper prodding/questioning into the specifics or support of arguments by @Zurrrrr here. There was just a quick judgmental attitude which made me claim prejudice in him. I urge you read his comment again.
Making someone specifically racist comment is not the bar to judge. Why would someone educated make it so blatant in 2023? Racists will always incorporate euphemisms and innuendos among many other tools to crystallize their thought of racism.
Yeah reading his other comments you have a point. How stopping the space programme would help solve ‘rape culture’ isn’t exactly obvious to me. Are there any countries that solved a sociological problem by not having a space programme? Seems daft, and quite possibly maliciously so.
You know, I was too spaced out to think, but after reading your comment, I looked at the bigger picture. I had a good laugh, thanks man.
Thank you! It's ridiculous to accuse anyone who does so of being racist or ignorant IMO.
The one who you are thanking also wrote this comment just below - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35409316
Zurrrrr(1)
I'd like to shift the tone of this discussion from vitriolic to something more captivating.
Why Explore Space? - https://lettersofnote.com/2012/08/06/why-explore-space/
Here is an interesting letter by Ernst Stuhlinger, then an associate director of science at NASA's MSFC, written to a nun in the 1970s. He explains the crucial role of space exploration in a country's growth. This topic sparked some engaging conversations on HN in 2012 and 2015:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4372563
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8917045
Why Explore Space? - https://lettersofnote.com/2012/08/06/why-explore-space/
Here is an interesting letter by Ernst Stuhlinger, then an associate director of science at NASA's MSFC, written to a nun in the 1970s. He explains the crucial role of space exploration in a country's growth. This topic sparked some engaging conversations on HN in 2012 and 2015:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4372563
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8917045
When I see people make comments like that, I always wonder if they've done the maths of dividing the cost of whatever programme by the number of people in the country. Given India's population, it probably wouldn't amount to much per person, even if you could magically give it out.
It's 1.9 billion USD divided by 1.4 billion people or 1.35 dollars per person.
The international poverty line is $2.15 per day. The GDP per capita in India is $2.2k which means the program costs the average Indian 0.06% of their wages or less than a day at the poverty line and this doesn't even account for progressive taxation where mostly middle class and above Indians pay the taxes that fund the space program.
The international poverty line is $2.15 per day. The GDP per capita in India is $2.2k which means the program costs the average Indian 0.06% of their wages or less than a day at the poverty line and this doesn't even account for progressive taxation where mostly middle class and above Indians pay the taxes that fund the space program.
Zurrrrr(6)
> racist and ignorant
> random pompous clueless stranger
> sleep back in your mother's basement
> sweet intelligent discussion site
You're certainly not acting like you're interested in keeping this space "sweet and intelligent"
> random pompous clueless stranger
> sleep back in your mother's basement
> sweet intelligent discussion site
You're certainly not acting like you're interested in keeping this space "sweet and intelligent"
Well, my apologies. I became testy and had to blow off the steam. I felt like exploding.
I can't be fighting a fellow bully and simultaneously be a student participating in group discussions in classroom when it comes to arseholes like the above.
This one was the first or maybe second from my side since 2014. You see, I couldn't have imagined this rude surprise of racism at HN. It felt so personal, even though there is no abnormal attachment to my country, I felt I had to give him a good earfull.
I have nothing against comments of criticism like these, even though coming from a fellow Indian, you see - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35407658
It doesn't feel like I got blew by my own people reading that comment. It didn't knock the wind out of me. It didn't make me insecure.
I can't be fighting a fellow bully and simultaneously be a student participating in group discussions in classroom when it comes to arseholes like the above.
This one was the first or maybe second from my side since 2014. You see, I couldn't have imagined this rude surprise of racism at HN. It felt so personal, even though there is no abnormal attachment to my country, I felt I had to give him a good earfull.
I have nothing against comments of criticism like these, even though coming from a fellow Indian, you see - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35407658
It doesn't feel like I got blew by my own people reading that comment. It didn't knock the wind out of me. It didn't make me insecure.
Not to mention the skills and industrial development that comes with these mega projects. That sort of stimulation benefits other industries for generat.
The cost effectiveness of these kind of programs is really interesting. It is normal to assume that space is super difficult and this plays into the geeky pride we all have. It is literally rocket science! And then we all get depressed when they go a little over budget or are late. We compare the program to an idealised view of excellence that only exists in our heads. But compared to other human endeavours science and engineering is unreasonably effective. It can break through the mess of human conflict and pettiness that holds us back. It is a great mechanism for getting people to work together for a common cause and we desperately need that. The mission objective is secondary to that.
I agree with your rational conclusion, India should continue to invest in science, technology and space. It's the way to go, more players in space the better.
That said, the sentiment isn't unique to India, and NASA is questioned the same since forever. "Will not tolerate" isn't something that one should feel or write against an opinion, even when presented in a sarcastic way. Make fun of it, argue against it, or ignore it, after all India isn't going to stop its space program because someone in NYT published a cartoon.
That said, the sentiment isn't unique to India, and NASA is questioned the same since forever. "Will not tolerate" isn't something that one should feel or write against an opinion, even when presented in a sarcastic way. Make fun of it, argue against it, or ignore it, after all India isn't going to stop its space program because someone in NYT published a cartoon.
Ugh, yeah. I will take your suggestion to heart man. Thanks.
Make fun of it. Argue against it. Ignore it.
Make fun of it. Argue against it. Ignore it.
You make good points. And regardless of how the person you're replying to commented, IMHO you should reduce the amount of snark in your reply.
Otherwise, you're really stooping down to the same level.
Otherwise, you're really stooping down to the same level.
I heard this exactly how most Americans reacted to black people fighting for their rights.
Thanks man. It is because of people like you I grow matured. I will remember this to by heart.
US wants to go back to the moon to put the first woman and PoC on it lol. Talk about spending billions of dollars for a token image.
Somehow when Murica does it we should all cheer for it as a great ray of hope for all humanity. Anyone else, there's a long line of "umm, actually..." guys. They just can't accept that a non communist, democratic country can compete with them
Somehow when Murica does it we should all cheer for it as a great ray of hope for all humanity. Anyone else, there's a long line of "umm, actually..." guys. They just can't accept that a non communist, democratic country can compete with them
Space program has been taken over by DEI administrator class, just like every other institution.
> US wants to go back to the moon
... meanwhile there are people shitting on the streets of San Francisco (seen with my own eyes), and people OD-ing (as in dying from drugs) on the streets of San Francisco, and homeless people camped on the sidewalks by the 1000s in cities like San Francisco and LA.
And yet nobody bats an eye when America "wastes" money on going back to the moon.
... meanwhile there are people shitting on the streets of San Francisco (seen with my own eyes), and people OD-ing (as in dying from drugs) on the streets of San Francisco, and homeless people camped on the sidewalks by the 1000s in cities like San Francisco and LA.
And yet nobody bats an eye when America "wastes" money on going back to the moon.
People have been complaining about NASA for decades.In The decade of the apollo missions many people in the civil rights movement were against spending 20b to send someone to the moon and today those same arguments still stand and many people still voice them. Maybe your circle is to small and you haven’t been exposed to diverse opinions.
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Zurrrrr(4)
you don't ban people for their opinions in free democracies, how so ever absurd and outrageous they may be. Probably you come from a country where people are banned for their views and opinions. But that is not what a free society does.
No world leader is going to read any racist rant on internet and make decision out of it, so chill.
No world leader is going to read any racist rant on internet and make decision out of it, so chill.
Please don't perpetuate flamewars on HN. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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