The UK will spend £100M to develop its own 'sovereign' AI(engadget.com)
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The UK will spend £100M to develop its own 'sovereign' AI
https://www.engadget.com/the-uk-is-creating-a-100-million-ai-taskforce-143507868.html
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> Then again, I did come to Europe for the rich history, I just didn't think its inhabitants would be so bound by it.
Europe is run as a continent-sized retirement home, by incompetent, hereditary elites who are utterly incapable of grappling with the fact that having a history is not a substitute for having an economy.
I feel for the people of Europe; they deserve better. So many of the smart, lovely people you meet here are stuck on absurdly low salaries in countries without any obvious future other than managed decline. Instead of being offered a future, they're offered endless relitigation of the past.
Europe is run as a continent-sized retirement home, by incompetent, hereditary elites who are utterly incapable of grappling with the fact that having a history is not a substitute for having an economy.
I feel for the people of Europe; they deserve better. So many of the smart, lovely people you meet here are stuck on absurdly low salaries in countries without any obvious future other than managed decline. Instead of being offered a future, they're offered endless relitigation of the past.
I earn roughly 4 times in the US what I would earn in France.
Not a small difference.
I’m still going back.
Also, absurds costs of things in the US makes giant salary not that giant as soon as you get kids and plan to provide them with an educations.
Regarding future, my very personal take is that European population will be vastly more resilient to what is coming. (TM)
I’m concerned about the fabric of society itself in the US. You mention future, it’s unclear what’s in it for the USA. Europeans societies have been thought shit not that long ago and survived somewhat united.
The US last crisis was at home was idk? the civil war?
But i’m sure I’m being dramatic. None the less, it’s jarring. I don’t want to grow old here and have my kids growing up in a Us culture first.
Again; my personal take. My goal was to shine some lights on the other side POV.
I’m still going back.
Also, absurds costs of things in the US makes giant salary not that giant as soon as you get kids and plan to provide them with an educations.
Regarding future, my very personal take is that European population will be vastly more resilient to what is coming. (TM)
I’m concerned about the fabric of society itself in the US. You mention future, it’s unclear what’s in it for the USA. Europeans societies have been thought shit not that long ago and survived somewhat united.
The US last crisis was at home was idk? the civil war?
But i’m sure I’m being dramatic. None the less, it’s jarring. I don’t want to grow old here and have my kids growing up in a Us culture first.
Again; my personal take. My goal was to shine some lights on the other side POV.
The US is in a perpetual state of internal turmoil. "The good ol' days" never existed. It's very likely the other side of the same "dynamism" coin that produces much of the innovation/growth/power that the US has accumulated.
The Vietnam War was a domestic crisis that involved thousands of domestic terror bombings all across the country, for example.
The Vietnam War was a domestic crisis that involved thousands of domestic terror bombings all across the country, for example.
Yep people who think the US was once some stable well run country need a good history lesson. This comes from an immigrant to the US happy to grow old here.
Sure. This has been a shit show since inception.
And just looking at any US city outskirts is telling.
Also, let’s remember the position of the US in both early WW1 and Ww2. Faschism & racism are not new additions.
But is it getting better? How is the trend in regard metrics like Gini coefficient and wealth repartition?
What is better before ? Yes, until the 80s, the IRS and middle class were still a thing.
I wonders what will happen to channel future discontentments. What would be the outlets.
My concern is that once it’s become absolutely clear that upward mobility is broken for most, what will be the recourse of the folks left over in the dust?
And just looking at any US city outskirts is telling.
Also, let’s remember the position of the US in both early WW1 and Ww2. Faschism & racism are not new additions.
But is it getting better? How is the trend in regard metrics like Gini coefficient and wealth repartition?
What is better before ? Yes, until the 80s, the IRS and middle class were still a thing.
I wonders what will happen to channel future discontentments. What would be the outlets.
My concern is that once it’s become absolutely clear that upward mobility is broken for most, what will be the recourse of the folks left over in the dust?
> thousands of domestic terror bombings all across the country
The memory-holing of these bombings fascinates me.
The memory-holing of these bombings fascinates me.
Leftist terror violence doesn’t fit the narrative for today’s elites.
Oh I remember when terrorist were white and either super Christian, or at least raise Christian.
IRA of course, but also ETA or the Brigatte rosse in France, Spain and Italy.
What does not fit the narrative ? I see that narrative popping back in French news today with protests against specific water collection stategies ( not the retirement stuff, other protests ) being labeled as “eco-terrorism”.
It looks that any resistance to the capitalism model of land & resource management will be labeled that way going forward ( in France. in the US I’m waiting to see what happen with cop city near Atlanta. As of now nobody heard of it )
IRA of course, but also ETA or the Brigatte rosse in France, Spain and Italy.
What does not fit the narrative ? I see that narrative popping back in French news today with protests against specific water collection stategies ( not the retirement stuff, other protests ) being labeled as “eco-terrorism”.
It looks that any resistance to the capitalism model of land & resource management will be labeled that way going forward ( in France. in the US I’m waiting to see what happen with cop city near Atlanta. As of now nobody heard of it )
In the US the bombings and domestic terrorism and assassinations in the late 60s and 70s were generally done by left wing groups like SDS, weather underground, etc. I’m not as familiar with what happened in Europe around that time beyond the IRA.
Lynchings didn't happen in the 60s and 70s?
Leftist groups. Mostly. Leaning toward communism like the Red Brigades I mentioned. Their motto was bombing stuff, and kidnap/kill politicians. A famous group was “the Bader band” for instance. Acting between Italy, France, and Germany.
Then, they were the independentist group like ETA ( basque people ) and FLN ( Corsica )
Same modus operandis, but geared toward having France and Spain out of their places.
Thanks for the name, I will look those group up.
No right wing group in the US ?
We had some in France. For instance in 62 the “quarteron Francais” try to top De Gaule after he decided to let go of Algeria.
Then, they were the independentist group like ETA ( basque people ) and FLN ( Corsica )
Same modus operandis, but geared toward having France and Spain out of their places.
Thanks for the name, I will look those group up.
No right wing group in the US ?
We had some in France. For instance in 62 the “quarteron Francais” try to top De Gaule after he decided to let go of Algeria.
The right wing militia movement was in the late 80s to the mid 90s about 20 years later.
And those domestic terror bombings are equivalent to like what a day or so of what Europe experienced in world war 2?
I agree. For a country of patriots, the US has 0% of inner unity. To each their own is what most Americans seem to live by, and I’m sure 9/11 was the first and last time the country United.
Ah, thanks for pointing that out. It sounds super cheesy but I miss common space where people play / mingle / relax / drink. Like a freaking plaza with table and chair and benches.
Those exists of course, just further far and between.
It’s counter intuitive because folk from the US are incredibly friendly and open. Super easy to talk to.
Those exists of course, just further far and between.
It’s counter intuitive because folk from the US are incredibly friendly and open. Super easy to talk to.
> Regarding future, my very personal take is that European population will be vastly more resilient to what is coming. (TM)
Yup, thanks to the US and UK who saved our asses in WW2 but were then forced to give up Eastern and a large part of Central Europe to the USSR. Fortunately it's also the US who made the USSR bankrupt themselves and let those people mind their own business. And now it's also the usual suspects pumping cash and weapons into Ukraine. At least France has got nukes and a well equipped standing army, which I could not say about other EU states with the possible exception of Poland and maybe the Scandinavians.
Yup, thanks to the US and UK who saved our asses in WW2 but were then forced to give up Eastern and a large part of Central Europe to the USSR. Fortunately it's also the US who made the USSR bankrupt themselves and let those people mind their own business. And now it's also the usual suspects pumping cash and weapons into Ukraine. At least France has got nukes and a well equipped standing army, which I could not say about other EU states with the possible exception of Poland and maybe the Scandinavians.
As much as the USSR was an unpleasant character. Stating “thanks to the Us and the Uk” without mentioning the role of the red army in the victory against nazi germany is vastly inaccurate.
Just the fact that Germany had to handle two fronts, one of them exclusively fought by USSR should be an indicator of that.
Recent unwrapping of historical communication also show that the US army decide to use nuclear weapon on Japan to end the war; not that much because dragging war is bad for civilian. But also because the red army was starting to pivot to the Asian front. Being done with Europe.
Also, I was mainly talking about village / neighborhood knowing each other and not being as divided as here. But that’s still an interesting point.
Just the fact that Germany had to handle two fronts, one of them exclusively fought by USSR should be an indicator of that.
Recent unwrapping of historical communication also show that the US army decide to use nuclear weapon on Japan to end the war; not that much because dragging war is bad for civilian. But also because the red army was starting to pivot to the Asian front. Being done with Europe.
Also, I was mainly talking about village / neighborhood knowing each other and not being as divided as here. But that’s still an interesting point.
> European population will be vastly more resilient to what is coming. (TM)
Could be, considering how much the US pays in military protection for Europe (money I'd be happy to stop spending)
Could be, considering how much the US pays in military protection for Europe (money I'd be happy to stop spending)
I was appalled when sarkozy put France back in NATO, if that make you feel better.
Even in the current geopolitical context I would preferred the US to get out of our hairs. That would probably smack some sense into EU in regards to a shared defense.
Weirdly enough, none of our politicians, or yours except trump, seems to be super into the idea. I guess NATO yield some dividends, too?
But I was more thinking at resilient community of civilians. Living in village / small town that are livable without that much inputs from the “grid” and without driving miles and miles( because they were build before that support system even existed )
Also, communities where living together is seen as normal, not some hippie or comunist idea.
As a result, elder citizen can lives longer there without need for adhoc care. It’s cheaper to raise kids. Food is cheaper and of better quality. ( farmer markets are where poor people buy food, for instance, not a fancy place for organic ware )
My observations are of rural US and rural France. Of course I’m biased.
Even in the current geopolitical context I would preferred the US to get out of our hairs. That would probably smack some sense into EU in regards to a shared defense.
Weirdly enough, none of our politicians, or yours except trump, seems to be super into the idea. I guess NATO yield some dividends, too?
But I was more thinking at resilient community of civilians. Living in village / small town that are livable without that much inputs from the “grid” and without driving miles and miles( because they were build before that support system even existed )
Also, communities where living together is seen as normal, not some hippie or comunist idea.
As a result, elder citizen can lives longer there without need for adhoc care. It’s cheaper to raise kids. Food is cheaper and of better quality. ( farmer markets are where poor people buy food, for instance, not a fancy place for organic ware )
My observations are of rural US and rural France. Of course I’m biased.
If they get rid of NATO then they lose their jobs. NATO needs an enemy to justify their existence. Hence, Russia.
The US do not spend this out of their generous hearts. This buys them power and control over Europe. They do that for themselves (of course, all countries look after themselves)
Europe buys US military too, i wouldn't underestimate the costs of the f-35 for each country in Europe :)
It's part buying military assets, but it's also the protection that comes with it.
It's part buying military assets, but it's also the protection that comes with it.
Your username is awesome. Also what made you go to the US? I am just curious
A woman, what else?
A woman, and obtuse immigration laws. She was not able to stay longer in France. And long distance sucks.
A woman, and obtuse immigration laws. She was not able to stay longer in France. And long distance sucks.
But then you had to endure everyone calling you zucchini.
It sounds so much better! Haha
My take is that a lot of Europe has not gone for growth-at-all-cost, in particular with immigration, and so has offset lower salaries with more manageable social programs and lower cost of living generally. There are downsides, but "managed decline" is not necessarily a bad thing. I think western europe is actually going to become an increasingly popular destination for people leaving US + commonwealth countries.
>So many of the smart, lovely people you meet here are stuck on absurdly low salaries
Let me tell you about third world countries...
Let me tell you about third world countries...
> I feel for the people of Europe; they deserve better. So many of the smart, lovely people you meet here are stuck on absurdly low salaries in countries without any obvious future other than managed decline. Instead of being offered a future, they're offered endless relitigation of the past.
Most of the Europeans I know leave the US as soon as they have kids. Everyone seems to prefer managed decline rather than having their kids attend lessons on what to do if a man with a gun comes into school.
Most of the Europeans I know leave the US as soon as they have kids. Everyone seems to prefer managed decline rather than having their kids attend lessons on what to do if a man with a gun comes into school.
Agreed. There is no real discourse on guns in the US. It’s not maniacs, mental health or politics. It’s guns.
Every discussion on the gun problem leads to vague mentions of better mental health or going back to communal communities. Country’s with far cheaper healthcare can’t solve the mental illness problem, only our lunatics have can’t walk into a store and buy a firearm.
Every discussion on the gun problem leads to vague mentions of better mental health or going back to communal communities. Country’s with far cheaper healthcare can’t solve the mental illness problem, only our lunatics have can’t walk into a store and buy a firearm.
> I feel for the people of Europe; they deserve better. So many of the smart, lovely people you meet here are stuck on absurdly low salaries in countries without any obvious future other than managed decline.
That's funny, because I feel similar for people in the US.
Sure, people in tech have high salaries, but then you have to deal with the insane health care, idiotic prison system and half the country supporting an openly fascist and lying president (among other things).
That's funny, because I feel similar for people in the US.
Sure, people in tech have high salaries, but then you have to deal with the insane health care, idiotic prison system and half the country supporting an openly fascist and lying president (among other things).
And longer hours and a lot less holiday.
> an openly fascist and lying president (among other things).
Oh, have Georgia Meloni, Victor Orban and Recep Erdogan hopped over from Europe? Must have missed that.
Oh, have Georgia Meloni, Victor Orban and Recep Erdogan hopped over from Europe? Must have missed that.
You don’t really think Turkey or Hungary when you think of Europe.
What continent do you think of when you say Italy (Meloni) or Hungary (Orban)? Also last I checked, Europe had dictators until 70's (Greece, Portugal, Spain) and communists until 80's (Warsaw pact countries). So doesn't look so nice out there.
What does 40 years ago have to do with ‘not looking so nice’ today? School shootings, crack zombies everywhere, massive imprisonment and capitalist healthcare look a bit worse from this side actually today. Actually if I would not travel to the US often for work, I would think it is a PKD story.
> What does 40 years ago have to do with ‘not looking so nice’ today?
GP comment ("You don’t really think Turkey or Hungary when you think of Europe") is ignoring the reality even today. And also shows a lack of geographical /cultural knowledge, that they deny Hungary being a part of Europe.
GP comment ("You don’t really think Turkey or Hungary when you think of Europe") is ignoring the reality even today. And also shows a lack of geographical /cultural knowledge, that they deny Hungary being a part of Europe.
Yeah this is the double standard here. Whenever US haters on HN compare the US to Europe they only compares it to France, Germany, Sweden, etc. to prove that the EU is a better place to live, but forget that the EU also has Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, etc.
But then the other side needs to stop comparing the highest living standard states to all of Europe.
HN Americans like to talk about the tech salaries in CA, WA, and maybe NY and conveniently forget the problems in MS, LA, WV.
Either way it's a slightly lopsided comparison, because Europeans see their nation as a bit more sovereign than the average American sees their state. Except maybe Texans.
Especially with the language barriers a lot of Europeans never consider moving "states". If I move from Germany to Switzerland I might face racism. If an Oregonian moves to California they probably won't.
HN Americans like to talk about the tech salaries in CA, WA, and maybe NY and conveniently forget the problems in MS, LA, WV.
Either way it's a slightly lopsided comparison, because Europeans see their nation as a bit more sovereign than the average American sees their state. Except maybe Texans.
Especially with the language barriers a lot of Europeans never consider moving "states". If I move from Germany to Switzerland I might face racism. If an Oregonian moves to California they probably won't.
This comment here is proof that europe is stuck in the past. The countries you mentioned are all vastly more developed than most of the world yet somehow you feel the need to remind folks that they lag behind others in europe. And no wonder they do considering how hostile europeans are towards them.
You missed the point completely. That's not what I meant.
I wouldn't mind clarification.
Actually I was responding to a "EU hater", who makes the mistake you're complaining about, but in reverse.
Europe is very diverse and I'm comparing the US to the Scandinavian countries, as that's where I live.
Maybe you think that's unfair, but that's also what the commenter I responded to did.
Maybe you think that's unfair, but that's also what the commenter I responded to did.
> Europe is very diverse and I'm comparing the US to the Scandinavian countries, as that's where I live.
Sweden somehow had an even worse policy than the US for dealing with COVID. Scandinavia is home to some of the largest white nationalist movements in the world.
Let's not pretend it's all roses here in Europe. Britain keeps electing Tories and effectively elected Boris Johnson. France damn near elected Marine le Pen. Nationalists control Hungary and Poland. About a quarter of Italy's parliament is far-right.
Don't get me wrong, I emigrated from the US in large part because of the political landscape, but Europe is not immune, or even close. And, really, the US is also "very diverse" -- plenty of states are generally well-governed.
Sweden somehow had an even worse policy than the US for dealing with COVID. Scandinavia is home to some of the largest white nationalist movements in the world.
Let's not pretend it's all roses here in Europe. Britain keeps electing Tories and effectively elected Boris Johnson. France damn near elected Marine le Pen. Nationalists control Hungary and Poland. About a quarter of Italy's parliament is far-right.
Don't get me wrong, I emigrated from the US in large part because of the political landscape, but Europe is not immune, or even close. And, really, the US is also "very diverse" -- plenty of states are generally well-governed.
Speak for yourself, everyone I know here is quite happy on their “low salaries” and wouldn’t move to the US
No need to feel sorry; perfectly happy not living in the US and making my absurdly low salary.
To be fair to the UK it's the third-largest tech market in the world, after the continental-scale superstates of the US and China.
> the third-largest tech market in the world
Do you have a link handy?
Do you have a link handy?
Here: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-tech-sector-retains-1-...
The UK is also third for tech VC investment, but sometimes even overtakes china: https://dealroom.co/guides/united-kingdom
https://technation.io/news/uk-tech-q1-2022-investment-update...
The UK is also third for tech VC investment, but sometimes even overtakes china: https://dealroom.co/guides/united-kingdom
https://technation.io/news/uk-tech-q1-2022-investment-update...
I feel like we're the same person (8 years for me though). But of course, this is by design and exactly how the most powerful people here want it.
It's an endless struggle at the moment between love of our life in London and feeling of the creeping death of the UK at its own hands.
It's an endless struggle at the moment between love of our life in London and feeling of the creeping death of the UK at its own hands.
I left the UK for exactly this reason. I love(d) London so much before - it's the city where I started my career, as a foreigner nonetheless, and it wholly adopted me as near equal citizen with open arms. Plus, being an Indian, it's one of the few places where I actually exercised my right to vote.
But visiting back today, the decline in the country in just a span of a few years, it's simply unbearable to watch. The country is simply on a decline, in spite of some of the brightest minds in the EU and the world studying and working there.
And London was supposed to be the city that dominated New York around 10-20 years ago.
But visiting back today, the decline in the country in just a span of a few years, it's simply unbearable to watch. The country is simply on a decline, in spite of some of the brightest minds in the EU and the world studying and working there.
And London was supposed to be the city that dominated New York around 10-20 years ago.
The worst enemy of english people is actually their unique superiority complex - the idea that they are inherently destined to be better than other cultures and the extreme, consistent role this plays in gaining political support. It’s an intoxicating thought that they constantly crave, even if they deny its reality with pragmatic justifications. It’s the reason behind their irresponsible risk taking (brexit), their endless exceptionalist propaganda (the BBC lying about “administering the world’s first” covid vaccine, overlooking the international effort behind preliminary clinical trials) and the reason a keyword like “sovereign” is used to characterise their (probably) unrealistic AI ambitions.
It must have taken a lot of time to meet every single one of the 67M people in the UK to form such a generalization.
Unless the UK is really good at managing this kind of spending, it strikes me as something that will just blow a bunch of government money on enriching people who like doing paperwork. This is basically how all Canadian government spending is, is UK better at it?
From a strategy perspective, I don't think it makes sense for countries generally to waste time on their own foundation models. There are lots of open source options, and almost no chance of a government version besting the state of the art. And there's not the barriers of say semiconductors or other manufacturing.
This is in some ways the classic trap of focusing on "AI" instead of an actual application. This is what many businesses wasted money on in 2016-2020, maybe now governments are doing the same?
From a strategy perspective, I don't think it makes sense for countries generally to waste time on their own foundation models. There are lots of open source options, and almost no chance of a government version besting the state of the art. And there's not the barriers of say semiconductors or other manufacturing.
This is in some ways the classic trap of focusing on "AI" instead of an actual application. This is what many businesses wasted money on in 2016-2020, maybe now governments are doing the same?
The money will end up with Infosys, Sunak’s wife’s father’s company. At least if they made quality software but even that’s questionable.
Believe me, you don't have to make quality software to win a major government software development contract.
In fact it will be impossible to deliver profitably if you do. Government contracting is about complying with the letter of whatever silly specification you've been given, while being the low bid. (I don't think this is good behavior, just the only viable one). Governments let the perception of fairness and frugality ensure that neither is achieved and that they only get crap.
Tracks with my experience.
It’s practically required that you do not.
the UK gov has on occasion had good digital teams, for example their web design team regularly posts articles on accessibilty and design that end up on HN, and generally seem competent. This being said, I'm not confident at all this will end up that way
"Bruv, as an AI model, it would be quite unethical for me to generate that for you until you show me your loicense. Mate, if you paid your fee, you should have got it in the post."
U WOT M8
The thing about Arsenal is, they always try to walk it in!
IT Crowd, one of the best shows I've ever seen. That said, the attempted American pilot was so cringey I had to stop watching halfway through
https://archive.org/details/the-it-crowd-us-pilot
https://archive.org/details/the-it-crowd-us-pilot
well sovverin innit
On the one hand it will probably siphon most of that money either to Infosys (PM's wife's family) or to other relatives of MPs and ministers. Corruption is a very serious problem in the UK at the moment.
On the other hand it will be the only possible source for answering prompts such as:
1) I am in Devon but am having tea and scones with a friend from Cornwall. I want to be polite. Should I put jam on first or cream on first?
2) Rewrite the Joe Pesci "How am I funny?" speech from Goodfellas in the style of Brian Aldridge from "The Archers"
3) Explain general relativity to me in the style of a boilermaker from Glasgow.
4) Calculate the cosine distance between the following Welsh phrases after lemmatization
5) Write 500 words on the topic "Grant Shaps. Why (oh why oh why)?"
etc.
On balance it's 100m well spent.
On the other hand it will be the only possible source for answering prompts such as:
1) I am in Devon but am having tea and scones with a friend from Cornwall. I want to be polite. Should I put jam on first or cream on first?
2) Rewrite the Joe Pesci "How am I funny?" speech from Goodfellas in the style of Brian Aldridge from "The Archers"
3) Explain general relativity to me in the style of a boilermaker from Glasgow.
4) Calculate the cosine distance between the following Welsh phrases after lemmatization
5) Write 500 words on the topic "Grant Shaps. Why (oh why oh why)?"
etc.
On balance it's 100m well spent.
I've just run the 4 well defined questions through ChatGPT/GPT-4, got an interesting first approximation of all of those, so the fine tuning might not be too far off!
Cheers for the inspiration, an that now I crave scones...
Cheers for the inspiration, an that now I crave scones...
If you scroll a bit further the next article is titled:
"The UK government won't make an NFT after all"
"The UK government won't make an NFT after all"
Well spotted, that's actually hilarious and what I thought of as soon as I saw the HN headline.
The key problem the UK is facing is that a load of good investment ideas get announced and then proceed to spend decades drowning in red tape. In order to overcome this you need to announce some initiatives and then ensure over the next 5 years that they really deliver. But we're 13 years in Tory rule and there's going to be an election next year, so there's literally no chance of this being a success. Even back in 2019 when the levelling up stuff was happening it was like "Um, we're going to show some results in 2030" and it's like... well, you're not going to be here in 2030, so it's kind of academic, and the stuff you started in 2010 that should be paying off now? You massively cut capital spending so there is no pay off now.
> The key problem the UK is facing is that a load of good investment ideas get announced and then proceed to spend decades drowning in red tape.
You make it sound like the attempt is valiantly made, but "red tape" is the sole reason that holds it back.
More often with this government, the announcement is the whole thing, there's no desire to follow though or take action, just get good headlines. And the mythical "red tape" is a scapegoat. Standards, i.e. "more red tape" would e.g. have saved lives in Grenfell tower.
You make it sound like the attempt is valiantly made, but "red tape" is the sole reason that holds it back.
More often with this government, the announcement is the whole thing, there's no desire to follow though or take action, just get good headlines. And the mythical "red tape" is a scapegoat. Standards, i.e. "more red tape" would e.g. have saved lives in Grenfell tower.
> The key problem the UK is facing is that a load of good investment ideas get announced and then proceed to spend decades drowning in red tape.
you just described most of the western world :)
you just described most of the western world :)
this is a narrative pushed for the sake of vested interests who would rather these things be privately owned
democratic governments are perfectly capable of developing new technologies and do so all the time. the issue is the level of investment and public interest, not anything else
democratic governments are perfectly capable of developing new technologies and do so all the time. the issue is the level of investment and public interest, not anything else
no narrative, real world experience + stats.
democratic governments are much slower of developing anything because of their bottom-up nature. of course china will build the fastest, most developed railway system in the world when their process is top-down. compare that with california's infamous projects, or even london's crossrail which took 12 years to complete. there is no solution to this problem.
democratic governments are much slower of developing anything because of their bottom-up nature. of course china will build the fastest, most developed railway system in the world when their process is top-down. compare that with california's infamous projects, or even london's crossrail which took 12 years to complete. there is no solution to this problem.
12 years for cross rail, considering it’s scope and unique problems tunneling through some of the most developed subterranean land in the world, isn’t a length of time that most of us would consider absurd.
For instance check out the precision and work required to pass (and link to) Tottenham court road.
As a counterpoint look at the “new” underground Muni line in San Francisco that is a tiny fraction of the length of the cross rail project and hindered traffic and other infrastructure development for 15 years
For instance check out the precision and work required to pass (and link to) Tottenham court road.
As a counterpoint look at the “new” underground Muni line in San Francisco that is a tiny fraction of the length of the cross rail project and hindered traffic and other infrastructure development for 15 years
does the headline “Waste Disposal Services Efficient Again This Year” make you want to read the newspaper? does it make you feel you need to know more information about a threat to you?
perhaps you’re very experienced in working on public projects, but if you aren’t, your experience is likely reading the news or talking to people who’ve read the news. even ignoring the fact that most major news outlets are owned by right-wing corporatists who benefit from this kind of ideology, reporting on the myriad successful public projects that exist just isn’t attention-grabbing profitable news
perhaps you’re very experienced in working on public projects, but if you aren’t, your experience is likely reading the news or talking to people who’ve read the news. even ignoring the fact that most major news outlets are owned by right-wing corporatists who benefit from this kind of ideology, reporting on the myriad successful public projects that exist just isn’t attention-grabbing profitable news
Good luck with that: https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/britain-in-crisi...
lots of issues with that article, but the most obvious one are the graphs: OECD GDP data was misread and then they wrongly applied CER’s doppelgänger model.
in reality UK GDP is about 6% higher than in Q2 16.
i don’t know why they do this kind of sloppy reporting, but they do have form. another priceless article about Germany itself: https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/inflation-bankr...
in reality UK GDP is about 6% higher than in Q2 16.
i don’t know why they do this kind of sloppy reporting, but they do have form. another priceless article about Germany itself: https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/inflation-bankr...
They should have zoomed out further - UK GDP (in USD) is equal to what it was in 2007 (+/- a meaningless amount).
Every time there is a natural disaster in the US its GDP rises.
All that says is the UK is less prone to such events - extrapolating from that you will be safer, and “better off financially” in the UK, according to your own metrics
All that says is the UK is less prone to such events - extrapolating from that you will be safer, and “better off financially” in the UK, according to your own metrics
> (in USD)
this is your issue right here. it doesn't work that way.
this is your issue right here. it doesn't work that way.
Yes it does. "Wealth" is global not local, especially in an economy where you import everything.
> an economy where you import everything.
which economy are you referring to? as not even singapore imports everything.
if we use USD then most of western europe is either below 2007 (france, spain, italy) or a tiny bit above 2007 (netherlands, belgium). same thing further afield, canada, australia etc. pretty incredible right?
if we use USD then most of the western world has not come back from the GFC.
which economy are you referring to? as not even singapore imports everything.
if we use USD then most of western europe is either below 2007 (france, spain, italy) or a tiny bit above 2007 (netherlands, belgium). same thing further afield, canada, australia etc. pretty incredible right?
if we use USD then most of the western world has not come back from the GFC.
UK GDP in USD 2007 - 3,092bn ... 2023 - 3,131bn
France GDP in USD 2007 - 2,660bn ... 2023 - 2,957bn
< same thing further afield, canada, australia etc. pretty incredible right?
Australia GDP in USD 2007 - 854bn ... 2023 - 1,552bn
Pretty incredible?
France GDP in USD 2007 - 2,660bn ... 2023 - 2,957bn
< same thing further afield, canada, australia etc. pretty incredible right?
Australia GDP in USD 2007 - 854bn ... 2023 - 1,552bn
Pretty incredible?
not really incredible since you're using 2023 when 2023 is not even halfway done.
use the last numbers available on the world bank site, which are from 2021. and then you'll notice something incredible.
here's a helpful link:
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD?location...
i'm bowing out now, cause it seems this thread leads nowhere. good luck in your future comments!
use the last numbers available on the world bank site, which are from 2021. and then you'll notice something incredible.
here's a helpful link:
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD?location...
i'm bowing out now, cause it seems this thread leads nowhere. good luck in your future comments!
Wow, that's a pretty depressing picture of the U.K.
I know the situation over there is quite bad, but this was more extreme than what I expected.
"the country’s representatives continue to put on a show of democracy week after week" - Der Spiegel. In so many ways (sigh).
The UK will give £100M to an MP's spouse
Give it a few weeks and we'll find out which one I imagine
Give it a few weeks and we'll find out which one I imagine
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To the average person I think this announcement sounds better than just inviting over a Microsoft sales rep to meet with the government like Japan did.
This is just so stupid. It's the classic case of some govt official hearing a tech buzzword, then announcing that they will be putting $X towards <some_buzzword> to further the goals of <buzzword_1>, <buzzword_2>, diversity, equity and inclusion.
So let's assume an (impossible) perfect efficiency of spending, they can buy how many DGX with this? 100? 50? In any case, the money's probably not even enough to be competitive in terms of hardware, let alone anything else.
'Sovereign AI' does sound like a phrase that ChatGPT might come up with if you asked it to make up an article about Brexit and AI. Either ChatGPT or one of dozens of websites trying to be a British version of the Onion...
Sounds like they’ve got a plan for abolishing the monarchy
Wonder if CharlesGPT will be more or less likely to say something that embarrasses the government than the King!
They're 25 days late with this announcement, which is also about right for the UK gov.
Why do I get the feeling that this will just be £100m poured down the drain…
How long before someone breaches open ai and steals their model. It’s not like it’s a lot of data but probably the highest value per byte in existence.
It will be a special Brexit AI trained only on all the positive impacts of brexit.
Training will take approximately 3 nano seconds but probably still cost most of the £100 mil which will be spent only at companies owned by Tory MPs friends and with no prior experience in AI.
(Sorry, just trying to cheer myself up. It’s a hard time to be British at the moment)
Training will take approximately 3 nano seconds but probably still cost most of the £100 mil which will be spent only at companies owned by Tory MPs friends and with no prior experience in AI.
(Sorry, just trying to cheer myself up. It’s a hard time to be British at the moment)
It'd be more sensible to invest this money directly into Google DeepMind, which already exists and is based in London.
It's just not "sovereign" enough.
I think the point is to avoid a situation like with Uber (where investors subsidised Uber rides to try to destroy most of the world's taxi industry, then replace with Uber and gather all the profits for themselves).
It's going to suck for the world in general if AI models destroy a lot of jobs but the productivity gains are all paid to overseas companies like OpenAI and Microsoft.
It's going to suck for the world in general if AI models destroy a lot of jobs but the productivity gains are all paid to overseas companies like OpenAI and Microsoft.
Well it is a subsidiary of an American company...
That's a lot of £46,000pa machine learning experts they'll be able to hire!
Lmao, someone being scammed
Yet still only pays 50K for the head of information science at the HMRC
HM-GPT
ChatGPT but with British spellings you mean
Pleasant Conversation with sarcastic undertones AI
Looking forward to watch the future panel discussions between the communist Chinese AI, the libertarian American AI and the monarchist British AI...
...that actually sounds like great entertainment.
And no encryption. Sovereign.
GPT-GB
GB-T
Given how successful Quaero (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaero) was, I'm sure this will be another major success from Europe.
The UK isn't 'Europe' anymore ...
Not part of the European Union no, but definitely part of Europe as a geographical area. Unless you claim that Norway isn't part of Europe either?
Did we suddenly move to a different continent?
Hope the weather's better wherever we're going to. Probably much, much hotter and sulphurous... :(
Hope the weather's better wherever we're going to. Probably much, much hotter and sulphurous... :(
If only it was this easy.
As a Kiwi living in the UK for like 6 years now, the Brits' worst enemies are themselves; they're afraid of change, want everything to stay the same like the good old days and so vote for the same old idiots but complain when the leopards eat their face. Over and over again.
History runs deep here and people hold onto things for far too long. Then again, I did come to Europe for the rich history, I just didn't think its inhabitants would be so bound by it.