Ask HN: Why isn't having two or three careers the norm?
Wouldn't this allow you to maximize your happiness by taking into account what you learned as you try different careers?
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You go down to the bottom of the pay scale every time you change career. If that means you won’t be able to afford your current lifestyle, then unless you have a good reason for walking away from that career, that’s going to make you unhappy.
That's assuming you have no transferrable skills from one career to the next and that there's a well-mapped career path in existence for a given role.
What about new careers that suddenly pop into existence around nascent technologies like AI?
I've transferred into product management now that enough companies officially recognise it as a career. I had been doing it in various guises for years where it was called 'project designer', 'project manager' or 'programme manager'.
Regardless of title, the common theme has been aligning business needs and engineering needs to deliver customer value they're willing to pay for. That meant I didn't start at the bottom when 'moving career'.
What about new careers that suddenly pop into existence around nascent technologies like AI?
I've transferred into product management now that enough companies officially recognise it as a career. I had been doing it in various guises for years where it was called 'project designer', 'project manager' or 'programme manager'.
Regardless of title, the common theme has been aligning business needs and engineering needs to deliver customer value they're willing to pay for. That meant I didn't start at the bottom when 'moving career'.
I don't think OP is talking about a mere title change when asking about career changes. I've had lots of different titles when I change companies or old titles become unfashionable, but only maybe one career change.
Looks at resume
Well for starters I was in grocery right out of college as a junior buyer for a major chain that I enjoyed enough but after a bit…
Was curious about digital marketing so I got a small company to take a chance on me where I rose through the ranks at companies big and small until I was in middle management and then…
I got an idea for a business so I started one that ran for 4-5 years before I ran out of steam and then…
I joined a semi-large corp in tech and product and did that for a while but…
My wife took on a super demanding new role and is now making enough to support our family so I’m a fresh stay at home dad.
I’ve got plans for what’s next but it’ll require some more school so once my kids are both in elementary school I’ll be going back to grad school to work in clinical mental health.
Has it all been worth it? Maybe, maybe not. But variety is the spice of life so here we are.
Well for starters I was in grocery right out of college as a junior buyer for a major chain that I enjoyed enough but after a bit…
Was curious about digital marketing so I got a small company to take a chance on me where I rose through the ranks at companies big and small until I was in middle management and then…
I got an idea for a business so I started one that ran for 4-5 years before I ran out of steam and then…
I joined a semi-large corp in tech and product and did that for a while but…
My wife took on a super demanding new role and is now making enough to support our family so I’m a fresh stay at home dad.
I’ve got plans for what’s next but it’ll require some more school so once my kids are both in elementary school I’ll be going back to grad school to work in clinical mental health.
Has it all been worth it? Maybe, maybe not. But variety is the spice of life so here we are.
At any given point people are more likely to offer you more $$ for accumulated skills rather than pay you while you learn those new skills.
At the same time many people stop improving after the first few years on the job, and some even get worse with time as they get lazy, or bitter, or they simply don’t adapt.
That's not true at all
do you have an argument or just want to pointlessly "disagree"
I've seen all those things happen. Are you contradicting my lived experience?
it is
I think it isn't super uncommon. Software engineering is my second career, and unlikely to be my last. Probably 30% of my co-workers had a non tech career before getting where they are.
In my career transition I learned and grew a lot, and it helped give me a different perspective on some problems.
I do wonder if people changed their careers every 10-15 years if they would be happier. You would get to work on a whole different set of problems, you would get to learn new skills, and eventually demonstrate your mastery over those new skills.
In my career transition I learned and grew a lot, and it helped give me a different perspective on some problems.
I do wonder if people changed their careers every 10-15 years if they would be happier. You would get to work on a whole different set of problems, you would get to learn new skills, and eventually demonstrate your mastery over those new skills.
I don't think it's as simple as that you make more money the longer you're in a career. Your first few years, as you rise through the org chart, you make much more money every couple of years. Unfortunately, that tends to plateau after a few cycles.
Someone with 15 years in an industry doesn't make much more than someone with 10 years in an industry, but may hate it a lot more. This coincides with the time many people start to look around and say "hmm, maybe there are other things in life than this fucking job".
So, it's not at all obvious to me that the expected return is the only explanation, though I'm sure it does factor in, as does the cost and risk of starting your career over in your (let's say) 30s, possibly with a mortgage and a family.
Most people here are engineers, which is (for the time being) a reasonably simple way to have a plush job and make a nice income, and so you may be saying "why would I take a job that pays less and doesn't cater my lunch every day?" But, consider this fact: a lot of people aren't engineers. Maybe most of them! This question makes more sense outside that context. Or even if, in some dark, hypothetical future we shudder to contemplate, being an engineer stops being the career meta.
Someone with 15 years in an industry doesn't make much more than someone with 10 years in an industry, but may hate it a lot more. This coincides with the time many people start to look around and say "hmm, maybe there are other things in life than this fucking job".
So, it's not at all obvious to me that the expected return is the only explanation, though I'm sure it does factor in, as does the cost and risk of starting your career over in your (let's say) 30s, possibly with a mortgage and a family.
Most people here are engineers, which is (for the time being) a reasonably simple way to have a plush job and make a nice income, and so you may be saying "why would I take a job that pays less and doesn't cater my lunch every day?" But, consider this fact: a lot of people aren't engineers. Maybe most of them! This question makes more sense outside that context. Or even if, in some dark, hypothetical future we shudder to contemplate, being an engineer stops being the career meta.
In my experience, which I suspect is not unique, the issue is that I gained experience in one career which led to me being paid a decent salary.
Using that salary (which I have been able to maintain across employers in the same career), I took on financial obligations: house, kids, car, etc.
When I consider changing career (which happens fairly often), it seems unlikely that I'd be able to get an equivalent salary immediately, or even within say 3 years: there's a level of remuneration available for someone with 20 years experience that's hard to get with 3 years experience in a field, and that's assuming I didn't need to take time off work to retrain.
So .. I'm kinda trapped. I could downsize my life, but that's disruptive especially for kids. And it's disruptive to my retirement savings as well. So far that tradeoff hasn't seemed worth it. And then every year you stay, the more solidly trapped you get.
Using that salary (which I have been able to maintain across employers in the same career), I took on financial obligations: house, kids, car, etc.
When I consider changing career (which happens fairly often), it seems unlikely that I'd be able to get an equivalent salary immediately, or even within say 3 years: there's a level of remuneration available for someone with 20 years experience that's hard to get with 3 years experience in a field, and that's assuming I didn't need to take time off work to retrain.
So .. I'm kinda trapped. I could downsize my life, but that's disruptive especially for kids. And it's disruptive to my retirement savings as well. So far that tradeoff hasn't seemed worth it. And then every year you stay, the more solidly trapped you get.
Most things people want to do are not skills which are financially rewarded. It's possible to build a career doing their passion, but it would also involve activities they don't enjoy to get there. They decide it's not worth it and use their existing career to fund their passions.
It's because doing two or three careers spreads your focus...you'll learn at fraction of the speed and progress slowly.
Fine at the start of your career, but specialisation wins out ultimately
Fine at the start of your career, but specialisation wins out ultimately
I agree. I actually think self-employment / mass self-employment, with the augmentation of tools is the future. Traditional corporate employment is starting to turn sour.
I remember reading long ago that the average person changes careers 6 times. So that means that half of everyone changes more than 6 times.
If you want to work 12 hours a day, I guess? I am happiest as a developer because it allows me to enjoy my life outside of work too.
Serial, not parallel.
this happens all the time. one of my good friends started his career off as a data center tech and now is an electrician. he really liked the cabling aspect of the job and now is self employed, making 2-3x what he'd make as a data center person.
I don't think i could call them career, but i tried 4 jobs that have nothing in common.
Cute, how are you going to finance this?