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- "bitter (if it's fresh)"
It has a very unique bite because of this *proteolytic* enzyme it contains (when fresh),
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bromelain
It's literally trying, and mostly failing, to digest your tongue.
One other very unique one is the Sichuan pepper, which is not a "spicy pepper" in the conventional, capsaicin sense, rather an idiosyncratic chemical that's... Wikipedia calls it "tingling, numbing":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sichuan_pepper
It has a very unique bite because of this *proteolytic* enzyme it contains (when fresh),
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bromelain
It's literally trying, and mostly failing, to digest your tongue.
One other very unique one is the Sichuan pepper, which is not a "spicy pepper" in the conventional, capsaicin sense, rather an idiosyncratic chemical that's... Wikipedia calls it "tingling, numbing":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sichuan_pepper
Hello,
We regret to inform you that you are henceforth and forever denied entry into the Italian Republic
Cordially,
Ministro della Giustizia
We regret to inform you that you are henceforth and forever denied entry into the Italian Republic
Cordially,
Ministro della Giustizia
With everything going on in politics right now, the one thing that unequivocally makes me proud to be American is that we have improved pizza
We improved burritos, and sushi too. We even put sushi in a burrito and Indian food on a pizza.
You can’t stop us. We will continue to disrespect your narrow ideas of what it means to make your national dish by making it far more delicious.
You want to deny anyone entry into your food republic? Give us back the tomato. You don’t deserve it.
We improved burritos, and sushi too. We even put sushi in a burrito and Indian food on a pizza.
You can’t stop us. We will continue to disrespect your narrow ideas of what it means to make your national dish by making it far more delicious.
You want to deny anyone entry into your food republic? Give us back the tomato. You don’t deserve it.
I hope you realised my comment was in jest lol (and I'm only partially Italian), but to get serious:
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"Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away"
Sure, there are arguments against that. But when you see the manner in which American cuisine takes the opposite of that principle - especially when it comes to the creation of Italian-American cuisine - it's hardly like the laying of multiple beautiful, well-chosen instruments in an orchestra. Instead, it's a one-trick pony of: add cheese, cream and garlic. And lots of everything
Fettuccine Alfredo: Loads of butter, cream and cheese
Deep dish pizza: Tons of cheese. It's a meat/cheese pie
Carbonora: "Fixed" it by adding cream and garlic.
It's like believing you're improving an orchestra by always adding huge, loud crashing cymbals.
Trying to eat at Italian restaurants in the US as a lactose intolerant person was an exercise in frustration.
> the one thing that unequivocally makes me proud to be American is that we have improved pizza
Gosh...
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"Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away"
Sure, there are arguments against that. But when you see the manner in which American cuisine takes the opposite of that principle - especially when it comes to the creation of Italian-American cuisine - it's hardly like the laying of multiple beautiful, well-chosen instruments in an orchestra. Instead, it's a one-trick pony of: add cheese, cream and garlic. And lots of everything
Fettuccine Alfredo: Loads of butter, cream and cheese
Deep dish pizza: Tons of cheese. It's a meat/cheese pie
Carbonora: "Fixed" it by adding cream and garlic.
It's like believing you're improving an orchestra by always adding huge, loud crashing cymbals.
Trying to eat at Italian restaurants in the US as a lactose intolerant person was an exercise in frustration.
> the one thing that unequivocally makes me proud to be American is that we have improved pizza
Gosh...
You hooked me, can’t resist the recipe challenge :
Caramelized onions (sweet), sun-dried tomatoes (sour), roquette salad or kale (bitter), olives (salty), and mushrooms or tempeh (umami)
I’m hungry now
Caramelized onions (sweet), sun-dried tomatoes (sour), roquette salad or kale (bitter), olives (salty), and mushrooms or tempeh (umami)
I’m hungry now
Tomatoes already have umami. I would say olive are good but could really place with anchovies or capers depending on if you favour those. They are good too. Anchovies has the advantage of packing salty and umami in one.
Now find me a place that caramelizes onions rather than sauteeing them into charred mush and calling it caramelized
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For extra rounding it out, I also advocate sliced up chili pepper (jalapeno or whatever)
My go-to pizza is pineapple and jalapeno
My go-to pizza is pineapple and jalapeno
I like: Pineapple (fruity, sweet and sour), green olives (veggie, salty) and spicy Italian sausage (savoury, spicy). It comes with the added bonus of nobody stealing a slice either!
You said veggie like it was its own flavor. Honestly it feels right to me. Is there a term for the veggie taste or is it a texture thing?
Things that taste like vegetation are often called "vegetal". Tastes like plant.
Then, while we are at it, why not put strawberries, mangoes, or bananas on pizza? Why stop at pineapples?
I also take issue with the idea that there are just five cardinal flavors. There are many, many more, which cannot be expressed in terms of these five, especially in the savory category.
Think of the flavor of meat, spices, and pepper. They are all fundamentally different, and yet would be bundled under savory in the 5-flavor scheme. The word "spicy" itself has two distinct meanings.
I also take issue with the idea that there are just five cardinal flavors. There are many, many more, which cannot be expressed in terms of these five, especially in the savory category.
Think of the flavor of meat, spices, and pepper. They are all fundamentally different, and yet would be bundled under savory in the 5-flavor scheme. The word "spicy" itself has two distinct meanings.
> I also take issue with the idea that there are just five cardinal flavors.
The five flavors model is an outdated model of what taste buds detect, a sixth has been established (oleogustus, associated with fatty acids and particularly with rancidity.) Furthermore, while not technically “tastes” in the detected-by-tastebuds sende, unctuousness (the mouthfeel of fats) and spiciness (detected by pain receptors instead of tastebuds) are part of what most people mean when they talk about “taste”.
The five flavors model is an outdated model of what taste buds detect, a sixth has been established (oleogustus, associated with fatty acids and particularly with rancidity.) Furthermore, while not technically “tastes” in the detected-by-tastebuds sende, unctuousness (the mouthfeel of fats) and spiciness (detected by pain receptors instead of tastebuds) are part of what most people mean when they talk about “taste”.
The point of your sense of taste is to get you to eat the things you need. Your tongue must be able to detect whatever those things are.
Some such substances occur across a broad range of foods, or in varieties that differ from each other in ways that don't really matter to your digestive system, and you can pick them up and consider them to be a flavor common to those foods.
Some are unique. You can pick those up too.
In either case, your perception of the same taste will vary according to the current state of your nutrition. Steven Callahan noted that, when he was lost at sea and food was scarce, fish eyes tasted significantly better than the rest of the fish. That is because they contain important nutrients, which your tongue can detect, but which you don't ordinarily care about. You start to care as you develop deficiencies.
A model of a small number of "basic flavors" doesn't even allow for this phenomenon to exist. It is fundamentally misguided.
Some such substances occur across a broad range of foods, or in varieties that differ from each other in ways that don't really matter to your digestive system, and you can pick them up and consider them to be a flavor common to those foods.
Some are unique. You can pick those up too.
In either case, your perception of the same taste will vary according to the current state of your nutrition. Steven Callahan noted that, when he was lost at sea and food was scarce, fish eyes tasted significantly better than the rest of the fish. That is because they contain important nutrients, which your tongue can detect, but which you don't ordinarily care about. You start to care as you develop deficiencies.
A model of a small number of "basic flavors" doesn't even allow for this phenomenon to exist. It is fundamentally misguided.
Who says I want all five flavors? Most dishes I eat and like don't have all of them.
In my opinion - I think pineapple compliments every individual component of pizza. The acidity of the fruit cuts through the grease in the cheese and compliments the savory flavor like a wine platter. It goes excellent with a good sauce, and can elevate a can of store-bought marinara with a sort of tropical pico-de-gallo elegance. The bread tastes relatively inert and doesn't interfere with the whole thing.
If I just want a savory pizza, I'll probably lean more towards a pepperoni slice. But a Hawaiian option from a place that serves actually good pizza will tempt me on a regular basis. The ham is where they get you, it's typically a bigger issue than the pineapple at most places.
If I just want a savory pizza, I'll probably lean more towards a pepperoni slice. But a Hawaiian option from a place that serves actually good pizza will tempt me on a regular basis. The ham is where they get you, it's typically a bigger issue than the pineapple at most places.
I've never thought as deeply about my love for pineapple on pizza as you have. Maybe I should grill some young pineapple and throw it on my next pie for that caramelized, charred flavour.
You don't have to have all of them at once, but there's no reason to arbitrarily limit a color from the canvas of pizza.
It's also great because most people won't even try it and I can just have the whole pie...
I eat it with hot peppers and blue cheese. The sweet/spicy combo is fantastic and the blue cheese brings a fantastic complexity to the mix.
I eat it with hot peppers and blue cheese. The sweet/spicy combo is fantastic and the blue cheese brings a fantastic complexity to the mix.
I prefer barbequeued pineapple on a pizza, with mint and salt.
Pineapple on pizza is in the same category as steak-doneness and IPAs. It's not about the food itself, but the social signaling of supposedly good taste.
I agree, and I assume Matt is making a naughty & nice list of who disses this ultimate culinary advancement, so that he can sue them later.
is this because he prefers cheese pizza?
Tomato sauce is sour as is mozzarella cheese. The crust should also provide bitter notes, particularly if it has a decent char. There are loads of other topping that provide these notes but stronger, with a more congruous flavor profile to pizza; olives, balsamic vinegar, pickled artichokes and peppers, etc.
Unexpectedly best combination I've found: pineapple and *cinnamon*, on a mildly spicy tomato sauce.
Unrelated, but you might be openminded enough to enjoy the bizarre but oddly harmonious combination of banana and dill pickle. I was getting my electrolytes balanced impatiently and discovered that they're inexplicably complementary.
This is why spicy honey is a great addition to pizza, esp. peperoni.
I wanted a checkbox for Anchoives and Olives. How do I justify that as the superior topping?
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> The five flavors which we can detect are sweet, salty, bitter, sour, and umami (savory).
This is nonsense. Your tongue is far more sensitive than that.
How would you characterize the flavor of butter?
This is nonsense. Your tongue is far more sensitive than that.
How would you characterize the flavor of butter?
Exactly, couldn't agree more. See my comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42433881
- "a judge ordered Mullenweg to remove a controversial login checkbox from WordPress.org that required users to pledge that they were not affiliated with WP Engine before logging in"
So, in short, he's mad at the court for ordering him to do something, and (while the lawsuit is still running!) is basically mocking the court order, and trolling the judge and plaintiff.
This guy has an attorney somewhere, and that attorney has this guy for a client. That poor attorney.
So, in short, he's mad at the court for ordering him to do something, and (while the lawsuit is still running!) is basically mocking the court order, and trolling the judge and plaintiff.
This guy has an attorney somewhere, and that attorney has this guy for a client. That poor attorney.
Top lawyers at his company, Automattic, have been leaving: https://www.pluginvulnerabilities.com/2024/12/02/for-the-sec...
The lawyer he retained for this case, Neal Katyal, is not a sympathetic figure to a lot of people: https://newrepublic.com/article/160481/neal-katyal-depravity...
The lawyer he retained for this case, Neal Katyal, is not a sympathetic figure to a lot of people: https://newrepublic.com/article/160481/neal-katyal-depravity...
> That poor attorney.
He won't be a poor attorney after milking Matt Mullenweg. The financial rewards of having to defend one of the most vindictive clients ever[1] are probably not small, especially when your client is so mentally stuck that they will see their delusional case to the last appeal.
[1] https://wordpressenginetracker.com
He won't be a poor attorney after milking Matt Mullenweg. The financial rewards of having to defend one of the most vindictive clients ever[1] are probably not small, especially when your client is so mentally stuck that they will see their delusional case to the last appeal.
[1] https://wordpressenginetracker.com
'a judge ordered Mullenweg to remove a controversial login checkbox'
remove means gone, not altered or replaced. i think clarification comes next, offering a chance to demonstrate lack of contempt before being jailed.
remove means gone, not altered or replaced. i think clarification comes next, offering a chance to demonstrate lack of contempt before being jailed.
On what grounds? He changed the statement the box makes by the user. It's silly compliance but O think you really have to go further than this for contempt.
nope, in a simple lexicon, all you have to do is piss off any member of the court, this stands for most jurisdictions
https://html.duckduckgo.com/html?q=contempt%20of%20court
https://html.duckduckgo.com/html?q=contempt%20of%20court
As a process server, this pleases me greatly
Depends. If an item is ordered to be removed from a store, there isn't an assumption that the shelf be left empty.
One key difference that I suspect the court will consider is that this isn’t a shelf.
changing the wrapper is not removing the item, and the congruity of WithPinapple compared to WordPress is a common obfusication, method.
this would be indirect contempt, of court order to the prejudice of the courts authority to mandate injunctive relief
this would be indirect contempt, of court order to the prejudice of the courts authority to mandate injunctive relief
For an unscrupulous attorney, a client like this would be great no? Talk about easy money.
Matt continues to make me feel like I made a good choice exiting the WP ecosystem last month.
What did you switch to?
Kirby. Bit of a change but I’m enjoying using it so much more. Feels like a return to my rose-tinted “good old days”.
The license doesn't look very open.
https://github.com/getkirby/kirby/blob/main/LICENSE.md
https://github.com/getkirby/kirby/blob/main/LICENSE.md
There is at least 1 LGPL dependency in there which renders the license void. If you include LGPL, your software is LGPL.
That would be the regular GPL. The "Lesser" GPL allows you to use it as long as you release any changes you make to the LGPL'd code (and keeping the LGPL license) and allow users to replace the LGPL'd code, which typically means using it as a shared library.
First they insisted I like pineapple on pizza, and I did not speak out—because I didn't mind it. Then they insisted I like mushrooms, and I did not speak out—because I was indifferent. Then they insisted I like anchovies, and I did not speak out—because I could tolerate them. Then they insisted I like every topping, and there was no one left to agree with my actual taste.
To let you into the pizzeria, they assured you they didn't mind which topping you like with the Gourmet Pizza License v2. Now they tell you you have to like a specific topping and shouldn't be allowed to eat the pizza of you don't like it.
Anchovies and kiwi pizza. Just popped in my head and I now bless you with this interesting combo my brain told me.
Rare case where the actual issue is even more sad and ridiculous than the headline.
For context, this is revenge to a court forcing him by injunction to remove the previous version of the checkbox (which required stating you are not affiliated with, or using, WP Engine).
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42382829
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42382829
Which is just childish because the court doesn't give a damn about this. As long as the court's orders were followed, that's all they have domain over.
I wonder if all these outbursts continue to hurt his case, since it’s making it exceptionally clear that it was all a deliberate attempt.
That or he’s trying the reliable old, cancelled-by-the-courts censorship grifting treadmill, to try and use it to spin into into politics (for which I suspect the boat has sailed already).
That or he’s trying the reliable old, cancelled-by-the-courts censorship grifting treadmill, to try and use it to spin into into politics (for which I suspect the boat has sailed already).
At this point, every time he gets out of bed he is hurting his case
...and it's worth noting that trying to take revenge on a court for an unfavourable ruling is one of those things that most rational people would agree is unlikely to end well. We'll see how this one goes.
I'm done with Wordpress until Matt is done with Wordpress. Then (and only then) will I consider it for new projects.
Yeah. I have a good track record with picking things to bet on the future, and the people involved often color that. I stopped caring about bcachefs after watching Ken's extraordinarily unprofessional, gas-lighting (yes, I know how to use that word properly) behavior on LKML. Similarly, I cannot fathom anyone betting the farm on WordPress right now. It will coast for a while, but this is some childish, unserious behavior.
Monitoring alert: logins from Italy drop to zero.
I've never understood the hatred towards pineapple on pizza. I like it. I can certainly think of much weirder things I've seen on pizza with no public outcry.
It's just a trope, like "arguing" about Die Hard being a Christmas movie. Or maybe a little closer to home, "is a burrito a monad?" and other low-effort fodder.
It's the same kind of polarizing concept as beans in chili.
I mean there's chili and then there's chili with no beans. Two entirely different concepts.
TIL there was any controversy there. To me chili has always implied beans.
AKA how to know someone is not from Texas
Oh, this is a Texas thing? That makes sense, they barbeque wrong too. *ducks*
Brisket is the thing Texas gets the most right from any BBQ I've had.
Everything else...eh. I prefer pulled pork in KC tbh. The Carolinas can get out of here with that vinegar they call BBQ sauce.
Source: >30 years living in Texas and traveling most of the South several times.
Everything else...eh. I prefer pulled pork in KC tbh. The Carolinas can get out of here with that vinegar they call BBQ sauce.
Source: >30 years living in Texas and traveling most of the South several times.
This reminds me of my favorite Allrecipes exchange of all time: Tailergate Boilermaker Chili^1:
>This boilermaker chili is the one the gang eats at Purdue Boilermaker football games. I always prep and cook the chili the night before and then reheat it the next day. This is a combination of many different tomato-based chili recipes.
In 2007, a guy from Texas makes it, then complains it's not Texas chile:
>Very disappointed. I hope he didn't make this down here in El Paso last year when Purdue played in the sunbowl and try to pass it off as authentic. Most of the ingredients are from a can and taste like it. If you want it truly hot, better add more "hot sauce" as he puts it. Not trying to be critical, but this isn't authentic chile. Pass on this and try another chile recipe that has the word "Texas" in it.
Two years later in 2009, another guy reviews it, complaining about the Texan:
>Don't listen to the condescending reviewer from Texas. This is a great chili. All Texans think they're stringy meat and watery sauce chili is the best and they have to make fun of other chilis...
Fifteen years later (and even after the Texas guy's review has been removed), people are still upset at him:
>Listen, I am from Texas, and I have won a ton of competitions with this spice mix. Whoever the tool from Texas was that gave this a 1 star couldn't tell his chili pot from his own rear end, just sayin. In Texas, they don't allow beans or veggies, so I cook them all down and blend them, then add the meat at the end so as not to over cook the meat. I also use a blend of smoked pulled pork, brisket and ground venison for the meat. It's a winner, I use my crawfish pot to cook enough to stock the freezer, and I add a lot more chilis for heat, however, the original spice mix was so interesting that I could not resist making a pot and experimenting. It has made all the difference.
Truly, the Internet forgets nothing.
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1 - https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/78299/boilermaker-tailgate...
>This boilermaker chili is the one the gang eats at Purdue Boilermaker football games. I always prep and cook the chili the night before and then reheat it the next day. This is a combination of many different tomato-based chili recipes.
In 2007, a guy from Texas makes it, then complains it's not Texas chile:
>Very disappointed. I hope he didn't make this down here in El Paso last year when Purdue played in the sunbowl and try to pass it off as authentic. Most of the ingredients are from a can and taste like it. If you want it truly hot, better add more "hot sauce" as he puts it. Not trying to be critical, but this isn't authentic chile. Pass on this and try another chile recipe that has the word "Texas" in it.
Two years later in 2009, another guy reviews it, complaining about the Texan:
>Don't listen to the condescending reviewer from Texas. This is a great chili. All Texans think they're stringy meat and watery sauce chili is the best and they have to make fun of other chilis...
Fifteen years later (and even after the Texas guy's review has been removed), people are still upset at him:
>Listen, I am from Texas, and I have won a ton of competitions with this spice mix. Whoever the tool from Texas was that gave this a 1 star couldn't tell his chili pot from his own rear end, just sayin. In Texas, they don't allow beans or veggies, so I cook them all down and blend them, then add the meat at the end so as not to over cook the meat. I also use a blend of smoked pulled pork, brisket and ground venison for the meat. It's a winner, I use my crawfish pot to cook enough to stock the freezer, and I add a lot more chilis for heat, however, the original spice mix was so interesting that I could not resist making a pot and experimenting. It has made all the difference.
Truly, the Internet forgets nothing.
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1 - https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/78299/boilermaker-tailgate...
Lifelong Texan, and the attitudes here are really tiresome. After the fall, the neoneolithic tribes will worship whataburger and buccees.
the point is that pineapple on pizza is just as polarizing as beans in chili.
based on the polarizing nature pretty much implies that some people will nonsensical beliefs supporting which ever side they are on when viewed by a neutral but especially when viewed from opposing side.
based on the polarizing nature pretty much implies that some people will nonsensical beliefs supporting which ever side they are on when viewed by a neutral but especially when viewed from opposing side.
I think you mean, there's chili and then there's the thing people call chili with beans. At least for those who hold such views.
Reddit discussion: https://www.reddit.com/r/Wordpress/comments/1hf98pj/this_is_...
Best comment I saw in that thread:
> Would be comedy for the EU to go after WP for only having one App Store. I mean plugin store.
> Would be comedy for the EU to go after WP for only having one App Store. I mean plugin store.
https://login.wordpress.org/ See for yourself, I thought this was a joke at first.
The label is not even vertically aligned correctly…
This and Elm show the issues of the BDFL management model. Good software projects can die due to a midlife crisis. Let's hope WordPress establishes some form of foundation.
Sure, let's not go into the history of foundations going sideways from the original intention...
For good management, no real system is even necessary. For bad management, no system is immune to their incompetence.
For good management, no real system is even necessary. For bad management, no system is immune to their incompetence.
Eh, foundation at least keeps business continuity and has the ability to cleanly address a minority of bad actors.
Well run foundations (like Debian) can keep chugging along even with stakeholders who bitterly hate each other.
Well run foundations (like Debian) can keep chugging along even with stakeholders who bitterly hate each other.
You're forgetting the WordPress Foundation exists, with two other co-founders, and allowed itself to get into this mess in the first place without any fight or publicity about Mullenweg's real control. Those two other founders are currently MIA.
I mean yeah there are failure modes, the WP foundation devolved into a BFDL when other foundation members ghosted and so stopped being a minority of bad actors. Thems the brakes with low participation.
WordPress has a foundation. It's just also Matt.
What happened to Elm?
BDFL is burnt out and depressed. I think he's better now (he recently did a podcast), but still no updates for five years.
> When I initially saw it I assumed my friend was trolling me but yeah it’s there and has a value attribute filled out, which leaves me suspicious that he’s gonna use it as a proxy for the previous field,” she told me.
Great time to be learning other CMSes. I tried Payload 3 this week. It was refreshingly easy to configure! Needs a little more polish (the textarea expansion logic seems broken in Safari) but I know a good team is behind it and they'll figure it out.
Great time to be learning other CMSes. I tried Payload 3 this week. It was refreshingly easy to configure! Needs a little more polish (the textarea expansion logic seems broken in Safari) but I know a good team is behind it and they'll figure it out.
Would be nice if this is the work of a skilled damage control team, who's going to help turn around recent troubles, including by poking fun at themselves.
I hope a BDFL isn't going through a rough time while not having to listen to anyone else.
I hope a BDFL isn't going through a rough time while not having to listen to anyone else.
If this is what being rich does to you, I don't want to be rich.
Only if you already have a narcissistic personality.
It definitely is. I can't think of a single person in the last 100 years who is both rich enough that they don't have to work for a living and is still kind to others. Maybe MacKenzie Scott? But I guess that just goes to show it is specifically the pursuit of wealth that corrupts.
keanu reeves?
Schema deletions usually have to be rolled out in two phases. Maybe this is just a light-hearted approach to be immediately compliant w/ the ruling without making a breaking API change.
Nope, they already rolled back the checkbox within 72 hours of the court order. This was added this week, a few days after the original checkbox was removed.
Also, the value of the checkbox is "yes-it-is", which would break the API anyway if that were the reason.
Also, the value of the checkbox is "yes-it-is", which would break the API anyway if that were the reason.
Apparently the last time it was just an html change, not stored in a database, but could potentially be stored in logs.
I guess I have enough FU money to say things like this, but I can't fathom getting to this login page and continuing. Do I think I'm actually making a legal agreement with these checkboxes? No. Do I think Matt is going to come after me, personally? (LOL, I don't think he has much of a grasp on the rest of our's shared reality right now, so...) no. But also, I have a low-bar of tolerance for insulting or abusive BS and this far, far exceeds it.
For some reason - maybe it's a nostalgia hit - a deep pan from pizza hut with pineapple, pepperoni, jalapeno, and chicken just hits that right spot for me.
I don't get it. I have no qualms lying or otherwise.
You can change your taste for a while then change your mind. No one can say you are lying.
You can't change whether you have/had a connection to wpengine, which was the issue with the previous checkbox.
See how long this lasts, got flagged [dead] immediately several times in the new queue, for some reason.
404media.co is a shadowbanned domain on HN due to paywalls, meaning any new submission from the domain will automatically be killed. https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=404media.co (w/ showdead on)
Since this post doesn't have a paywall and it's good/newsworthy, I vouched for it.
Since this post doesn't have a paywall and it's good/newsworthy, I vouched for it.
A substantial portion of the links on this site have paywalls. If that’s why this domain is shadowbanned, why isn’t NYT?
Paywalls are fine, so long as there is a reliable workaround that can be posted to the thread.
gjsman-1000(1)
Are you a HN admin/dev/mod now?
No, anyone can technically vouch dead posts with 31 karma or higher. Vouching is the inverse of a flag.
https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented/blob/m...
https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented/blob/m...
I think the question was due to the claim that the domain is shadowbanned, not the vouching.
I suspect it’s more some threshold of vouching required, because I know for a fact some of the other dead submissions got vouched.
Still, this apparently completely undocumented standard behaviour seems a little bit troubling? It’s not like 404media is a spam content mill (and I doubt it is the ability to bypass the paywall - those methods don’t work on 404?)
Still, this apparently completely undocumented standard behaviour seems a little bit troubling? It’s not like 404media is a spam content mill (and I doubt it is the ability to bypass the paywall - those methods don’t work on 404?)
No. Although I may not have the exact reason the domain was banned, I've been around long enough to observe that everytime a 404media.co article is posted and gets traction, the comments unanimously complain about the paywall and it gets flagkilled.
Vouching is intended as a corrective check on things that shouldn't be automatically killed.
Vouching is intended as a corrective check on things that shouldn't be automatically killed.
So it’s not shadowbanned in the sense that the server sees the domain and automatically flags the post, but users manually flag it?
Now it's shadowbanned, but that wasn't the case when 404media.co first launched.
https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=404media.co&next=3932...
https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=404media.co&next=3932...
What does shadowbanned mean to you?
Shadowbanned means "in the sense that the server sees the domain and automatically flags the post," as you said, which is the behavior described in my original comment.
I'm not sure what you are getting at.
I'm not sure what you are getting at.
You wrote this in present tense:
> Although I may not have the exact reason the domain was banned, I've been around long enough to observe that everytime a 404media.co article is posted and gets traction, the comments unanimously complain about the paywall and it gets flagkilled.
So I thought this is what you meant by shadowbanned.
> Although I may not have the exact reason the domain was banned, I've been around long enough to observe that everytime a 404media.co article is posted and gets traction, the comments unanimously complain about the paywall and it gets flagkilled.
So I thought this is what you meant by shadowbanned.
> for some reason
There's not really much news here, I think. It's just gossiping at Matt's public meltdown, which, eh.
There's not really much news here, I think. It's just gossiping at Matt's public meltdown, which, eh.
Why doesn’t WP Engine just fork the project?
Is an account on Wordpress.org the only way for someone to use WP?
Is an account on Wordpress.org the only way for someone to use WP?
The issue isn't using WP. It's maintaining their plugin "Advanced Custom Fields" that automattic had taken over. It's roughly analogous to if the NPM maintainers took over React on NPM. Doesn't stop Facebook from publishing their own version elsewhere but a lot of people will moved over to the new non-facebook version without knowing what's going on.
> Why doesn’t WP Engine just fork the project?
They don't want to pay for all that. They want to make money. That might save Mullenweg in the end, despite himself. He might be ordered to help them set up an alternative plugin directory, but the court probably can't or won't force him to continue doing business with them. Keeping up their mirror of the WP infra might cut into profits too badly. All of the huffing and puffing on their side doesn't change the fact that they're basically parasitic. They do nothing for Mullenweg, and he was doing everything for them.
There could be an outcome where he's about to be forced to pay damages for all of the harassment and help with some complex remedy that still requires them to fork, and instead they come to a settlement beforehand where they (quietly and confidentially) pay him something slightly less than 8% of their revenue and he pays their legal costs and publicly apologizes.
They don't want to pay for all that. They want to make money. That might save Mullenweg in the end, despite himself. He might be ordered to help them set up an alternative plugin directory, but the court probably can't or won't force him to continue doing business with them. Keeping up their mirror of the WP infra might cut into profits too badly. All of the huffing and puffing on their side doesn't change the fact that they're basically parasitic. They do nothing for Mullenweg, and he was doing everything for them.
There could be an outcome where he's about to be forced to pay damages for all of the harassment and help with some complex remedy that still requires them to fork, and instead they come to a settlement beforehand where they (quietly and confidentially) pay him something slightly less than 8% of their revenue and he pays their legal costs and publicly apologizes.
Okay but pineapple actually is delicious on pizza??
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If WordPress dies it'll be one of the best things to happen to the web in a decade. People will be forced to use something else, so a product with actual security, and a design from after 2001, can finally get traction.
A persistent annoying thing I've had to maintain for years has been WordPress sites. As a Systems Engineer, their design is particularly annoying to support, and the way they are changed and deployed leads to tons of predictable failures. It's possible to turn WordPress into a real, CI/CD driven, ephemeral deploys, with diffed, staged, tested database changes. But for some reason nobody has built that as a canned solution (I did long ago for a previous employer).
Fun fact: the reason you get a billion blog results when you try to Google for a recipe, is 1) a WordPress plugin that auto-generates recipe blogs, and 2) a Google Metadata thing in the page for encoding recipes. Google prioritizes all those blogs with the recipe metadata. End result: millions of garbage blogs churned out via WP, and nothing but garbage results. Not really sure why Google continues to prioritize garbage.
A persistent annoying thing I've had to maintain for years has been WordPress sites. As a Systems Engineer, their design is particularly annoying to support, and the way they are changed and deployed leads to tons of predictable failures. It's possible to turn WordPress into a real, CI/CD driven, ephemeral deploys, with diffed, staged, tested database changes. But for some reason nobody has built that as a canned solution (I did long ago for a previous employer).
Fun fact: the reason you get a billion blog results when you try to Google for a recipe, is 1) a WordPress plugin that auto-generates recipe blogs, and 2) a Google Metadata thing in the page for encoding recipes. Google prioritizes all those blogs with the recipe metadata. End result: millions of garbage blogs churned out via WP, and nothing but garbage results. Not really sure why Google continues to prioritize garbage.
What other topping can you say that about? Not pepperoni, nor olives, certainly not mushrooms or sausage. No other pizza topping as perfectly rounds out the flavor profile of pizza as pineapple, especially fresh pineapple, and that is why it's the superior topping.