US deploys AI to revoke visas of foreign nationals supporting Hamas: Report(cnbctv18.com)
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US deploys AI to revoke visas of foreign nationals supporting Hamas: Report
https://www.cnbctv18.com/world/us-deploys-ai-to-revoke-visas-of-foreign-nationals-supporting-hamas-report-19570130.htm
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> tomorrow you ban someone who criticized Israel and it's human rights violation.
I think it's today, actually. They just want to censor any voice that would dare criticize Israel's abhorrent action. Pretending anyone who shows sympathy for the suffering of Palestinians supports Hamas is an old strategy.
And to think they thought Trump was to be "the most peaceful president ever" or that he would "restore free speech". What fools.
I think it's today, actually. They just want to censor any voice that would dare criticize Israel's abhorrent action. Pretending anyone who shows sympathy for the suffering of Palestinians supports Hamas is an old strategy.
And to think they thought Trump was to be "the most peaceful president ever" or that he would "restore free speech". What fools.
Remember how he suddenly 'gave' Jerusalem to Israel, acknowledging it officially? That was a moment of desperation across whole sunni arab world, making it clear that palestinian cause is dead. Not saying whether I agree with any of this, just remembering few facts.
He was too busy pleasing that murderous p.o.s. MBS and forcing them into 'peace agreement' with Israel at all costs, which as we all know lasted few months. Thats his style, lack of any sort of emotional intelligence to understand actual complexities of politics make people do horrible things to others. All clinical sociopaths struggle with this their entire lives, not that they care.
I strongly believe that events of 7.10. were directly caused by this, thats what happens when you have part of population having no issue with terrorism for their cause being literally cornered and losing all hope - a vicious emotional attack.
He is an elephant in porcelain shop, servant of chaos with some outright evil traits. That guy caused, is causing and will cause biggest loss of civilian life in modern times, putting him well within the category of Mao, Hitler, Stalin and so on. Happy to be proven wrong by history on this since it comes back to literally all of us, but so far thats how facts look like.
He was too busy pleasing that murderous p.o.s. MBS and forcing them into 'peace agreement' with Israel at all costs, which as we all know lasted few months. Thats his style, lack of any sort of emotional intelligence to understand actual complexities of politics make people do horrible things to others. All clinical sociopaths struggle with this their entire lives, not that they care.
I strongly believe that events of 7.10. were directly caused by this, thats what happens when you have part of population having no issue with terrorism for their cause being literally cornered and losing all hope - a vicious emotional attack.
He is an elephant in porcelain shop, servant of chaos with some outright evil traits. That guy caused, is causing and will cause biggest loss of civilian life in modern times, putting him well within the category of Mao, Hitler, Stalin and so on. Happy to be proven wrong by history on this since it comes back to literally all of us, but so far thats how facts look like.
Let's not forget this tasteless AI shit sandwich: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PslOp883rfI
You fear? Or, it's all but guaranteed? The current administration has openly advanced Israel's plan to ethnically cleanse 2 million Palestinians from their homes. Trump specifically stated that he's giving Israel everything they need to "finish the job."
I don't believe in giving both parties the benefit of the doubt anymore.
I don't believe in giving both parties the benefit of the doubt anymore.
Note that Ronald Regan used the word Holocaust to describe what Israel is doing, 41 years ago.
> this is only about one side
The ones in power pushing this literally fit into the other group you described, so what a surprise.
The ones in power pushing this literally fit into the other group you described, so what a surprise.
A detailed and documented research into the provenance of Hamas:
https://swprs.org/why-israel-created-hamas/
https://swprs.org/why-israel-created-hamas/
Student visas for Hamas support today, citizenship for criticism of the president tomorrow. Welcome to AI hell.
AI is going to usher in a wonderful world of increased surveillance and authoritarianism. It will be a truly transformative technology, and isn't is great that Silicon Valley is working so hard to bring it to us, as hard and fast as possible?
Surely this will not have any unforeseen consequences whatsoever
I'm sure they are completely forseen.
Maga?
Land of the free after all
Money is the only free thing in America
so an American citizen’s freedom is directly correlated with their net worth in USA dollars
so an American citizen’s freedom is directly correlated with their net worth in USA dollars
Your second sentence is pretty much true everywhere, just the strength of the correlation varies. Even in places that try to be even handed the simple fact that a wealthy person has more resources makes them freer.
_2d30(4)
Let me say as an international PhD student- I have marched for the freedom of Palestinian people, talk about it, and I won’t allow this Big Brother tactic influence my decision one bit going forward.
The US govt can do whatever it damn pleases.
The US govt can do whatever it damn pleases.
Sure it can, it's the US.
liorn(10)
I love how they insist that china is the terrible country that does nothing else, while in the west we have freedom.
Well most of the west still does, its just that US is right now much bigger evil and bully to rest of the world than China is or ever was. Expect some realignment in next 4 years, maybe oil won't be yet traded in CNY but who knows.
>its just that US is right now much bigger evil and bully to rest of the world than China is or ever was
Always has been. And part of the reason the US gets away with it (other than the threat of overwhelming nuclear-tipped military violence) is the effectiveness of Sinophobia and fear of the existential threat of "Communism" in manufacturing global consent for American imperialist hegemony.
The US can be toppling regimes and carpet-bombing weddings across the entire Western hemisphere, kidnapping people to CIA torture sites, spying on everyone and killing them over their metadata, and China can be doing nothing and Westerners will still be more afraid of China because "those insidious reds must be up to something."
Always has been. And part of the reason the US gets away with it (other than the threat of overwhelming nuclear-tipped military violence) is the effectiveness of Sinophobia and fear of the existential threat of "Communism" in manufacturing global consent for American imperialist hegemony.
The US can be toppling regimes and carpet-bombing weddings across the entire Western hemisphere, kidnapping people to CIA torture sites, spying on everyone and killing them over their metadata, and China can be doing nothing and Westerners will still be more afraid of China because "those insidious reds must be up to something."
I'm disappointed, but not surprised. Seeing the American culture from Europe, it's obvious to me that "American freedom" is a meme. Not saying that Europe is perfect, but I'm happy to live on this side of the pond.
Come on. Sweden looking to ban signal, italy can block any website for copyright violation without any oversight from any judge. In fact in italy rt is banned because it is propaganda (completely true), but propaganda spreading things like fox news or liberoquotidiano do not get blocked.
We're not as bad as USA in a lot of respects, but we're getting there.
We're not as bad as USA in a lot of respects, but we're getting there.
What about those who support Russian invaders?
You mean liberation of Ukraine from nazi ?
If not, I'm afraid you're going to get your visa revoked..
If not, I'm afraid you're going to get your visa revoked..
Oh, shut up! Ukraine is not "our greatest ally." They never wear suits to meetings, and they never say thank you. Why should we care what happens to them? /s
This is one of the many initiates where the process and details matter. What’s the due process here, can people see the prompt that judges them to be supporters? Is AI just highlighting “supporting” content for human review?
Even if you support the idea in principle, the actual practical implementation should be treated with skepticism.
Even if you support the idea in principle, the actual practical implementation should be treated with skepticism.
I think it all boils down to: if sounds_muslim(name) → expel()
It’s probably just the family guy skin color chart.
Even if it is intended as a hint to human observers, during a big scandal in my country a few years ago turned out all the gov officials where blindly following the computer advise. Many where falsely accused of fraud by tax authorities, almost all where from ethnic minorities.
Or Israel reportedly ordering assassinations in much the same way.
https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/
https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/
There's no "due process" for US visa applications. The process is, possibly deliberately, kafka-esque. Edit: I wrote about my visa process here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23942466
> can people see the prompt that judges them to be supporters?
Not all AIs are LLMs...
Not all AIs are LLMs...
While true, the general principle remains important irregardless of implementation specifics.
If it were GOFAI, you can rephrase as "can people inspect the decision tree implemented by if-else blocks?"
If it were GOFAI, you can rephrase as "can people inspect the decision tree implemented by if-else blocks?"
I’m not sure why you're being downvoted for this. the article does not state that the AI tool proposed to be used is an LLM. in all likelihood it is, but why assume?
Butt hurt that non American got your promotion or lab spot? Queue fake pro hamas social media profiles to remove said competition.
This bot just scans people's social media. I would assume you can just fake someone's social media account and get their visa denied. I'm sure this thing won't account for multiple people having the same name. It would also be funny to run this on Elon's account and see if he'd get denied for his thinking emoji replies to antisemites, or to run this on a fake Rubio account where he's terribly photoshoped next to Bin Laden.
Free speech, I fear, is in retreat.
Other issues aside, how does this get around the constitutional right to free speech? There must be some court ruling that lets speech affect the visa process.
If it's before they get here, there's no constitutional right at play. They're not a citizen nor in the US.
Once they're here, it would be weighted against their rights and the public interests. Previously I would assume it would get shot down by SCOTUS, but it seems like a coin flip these days imho.
Once they're here, it would be weighted against their rights and the public interests. Previously I would assume it would get shot down by SCOTUS, but it seems like a coin flip these days imho.
Another example of history repeating itself... 80 years ago, McCarthy and the HUAC were going after alleged communist supporters, now the Trump admin is going after alleged Hamas supporters.
Maybe we should all study more of history, with an open mind, instead of assuming that everything is different now and people have never been in a similar situation before.
Maybe we should all study more of history, with an open mind, instead of assuming that everything is different now and people have never been in a similar situation before.
vaadu(1)
> We see people marching at our universities and in the streets of our country ... calling for Intifada, celebrating what Hamas has done ... Those people need to go," Rubio stated.
No one want terrorist apologist in their country, but I think everyone can see how it's the cursor position that matters. Now you ban terrorist apologist, tomorrow you ban someone who criticized Israel and it's human rights violation.
I see no difference between the Hamas and an Israeli fanatic who claim the Arabians have no right to live on the sacred soil that God gave them 2 thousand year ago, legitimizing the bombardment of civilians, forced deportations of gaza citizens, illegal Israeli settlements and so on.
Yet this is only about one side.
I fear this is instead going to be used as a tool to shut freedom of talk when it's not supportive of Israel.