Trump announces 50% tariff on Brazil for Bolsonaro trial, trade deficit(cnbc.com)
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Trump announces 50% tariff on Brazil for Bolsonaro trial, trade deficit
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/09/trump-brazil-tariffs-bolsonaro.html
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Grab some popcorn then because it looks like Lula is heading down that path. Things are gonna get fun very soon.
Not even two days now and we've got leftists burning with patriotic fervor on social media. They've suddenly found a willingness to defend Brazil's sovereignty against US interference despite the fact they're unrepentant globalists. These are the same guys who hate the military and everything it represents. The same people who did everything in their power to destroy Bolsonaro, the guy who revived brazilian nationalism for a brief four years.
Watching this circus is truly a surreal experience.
Not even two days now and we've got leftists burning with patriotic fervor on social media. They've suddenly found a willingness to defend Brazil's sovereignty against US interference despite the fact they're unrepentant globalists. These are the same guys who hate the military and everything it represents. The same people who did everything in their power to destroy Bolsonaro, the guy who revived brazilian nationalism for a brief four years.
Watching this circus is truly a surreal experience.
Please don't bring the circus to HN.
> The same people who did everything in their power to destroy Bolsonaro, the guy who revived brazilian nationalism for a brief four years.
it is laughable to see Bolsonaro supporters destroy logic and call nationalism congressmen and ex-presidents asking for the US to tariff the Brazilian economy. But it is even more funny to see this backfiring - which is obvious, there is always a limit to how much you can attack your own country for political gains, including for the globalist far-right.
Lula is reelected now.
> The same people who did everything in their power to destroy Bolsonaro, the guy who revived brazilian nationalism for a brief four years.
it is laughable to see Bolsonaro supporters destroy logic and call nationalism congressmen and ex-presidents asking for the US to tariff the Brazilian economy. But it is even more funny to see this backfiring - which is obvious, there is always a limit to how much you can attack your own country for political gains, including for the globalist far-right.
Lula is reelected now.
I'll stop posting if dang asks me to. Not you.
I didn't say the calls for tariffs were nationalism either. I said Bolsonaro managed to revive brazilian nationalism during the brief four years he was in power. I meant to imply that the current administration managed to destroy said nationalism. Destroying it was one of their explicit goals. They likened it to the denazification of Germany. Watching them appeal to nationalism now is just hilarious to me.
This is exactly what brazilians asked for and it's exactly what they should get. It's gotten to the point I think it'd be great if Lula was reelected. The brazilian right wing shouldn't have to spend years cleaning up the messes they leave behind only for them to come back later to enjoy the good times we've created. Let them hold onto power a little longer so that the bomb blows up in their hands.
Refrain from replying to me again if you can't muster enough respect to have a coherent discussion about our country's politics without calling others "minions". Bolsonaro is a coward who betrayed everyone who supported him. People went to jail for this guy while he was hiding in the USA like a rat. Don't call me a "Bolsominion".
I didn't say the calls for tariffs were nationalism either. I said Bolsonaro managed to revive brazilian nationalism during the brief four years he was in power. I meant to imply that the current administration managed to destroy said nationalism. Destroying it was one of their explicit goals. They likened it to the denazification of Germany. Watching them appeal to nationalism now is just hilarious to me.
This is exactly what brazilians asked for and it's exactly what they should get. It's gotten to the point I think it'd be great if Lula was reelected. The brazilian right wing shouldn't have to spend years cleaning up the messes they leave behind only for them to come back later to enjoy the good times we've created. Let them hold onto power a little longer so that the bomb blows up in their hands.
Refrain from replying to me again if you can't muster enough respect to have a coherent discussion about our country's politics without calling others "minions". Bolsonaro is a coward who betrayed everyone who supported him. People went to jail for this guy while he was hiding in the USA like a rat. Don't call me a "Bolsominion".
It's what happens when you don't play ball with the biggest bully there is this side of the pond. Not surprising at all though, the US has been continuously pushing their agenda around these parts for many decades now, even aiding the former military dictatorship, now aiding our former putschist president and his criminal family. Then they wonder why every day we're inching closer to China and their allies instead of them.
The real coup was perpetrated by the unelected judges of the supreme court all the way back in 2019.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39966382
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36543423
Their power keeps increasing to this day. It disgusts me every time they utter the word democracy.
I for one am very happy to see Trump sanction this place. Right now it looks like he's the only person in the world able and willing to put pressure on this dictatorship of the judiciary. I hope I'm around to see him personally sanction everyone involved.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39966382
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36543423
Their power keeps increasing to this day. It disgusts me every time they utter the word democracy.
I for one am very happy to see Trump sanction this place. Right now it looks like he's the only person in the world able and willing to put pressure on this dictatorship of the judiciary. I hope I'm around to see him personally sanction everyone involved.
You sound absolutely deranged to say the least.
You sound like you cannot refute even a single one of the arguments presented.
Not the first time people try to gaslight me and call me mentally ill for expressing my views. Please note that I'm absolutely open to counterpoints. I'm secretly hoping someone will convince me that this country isn't the judiciary dictatorship I believe it is. Sadly it looks like you're not going to be that person.
Not the first time people try to gaslight me and call me mentally ill for expressing my views. Please note that I'm absolutely open to counterpoints. I'm secretly hoping someone will convince me that this country isn't the judiciary dictatorship I believe it is. Sadly it looks like you're not going to be that person.
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Fine, old man. Do your art of the deal thing.
I won't play victim, I won't support tariff retaliation. We're a peaceful nation, interested in diplomacy, with a long history of healthy commerce with the US and close ties to the north american people. This is the only sane response that one could give to such an announcement.
I won't play victim, I won't support tariff retaliation. We're a peaceful nation, interested in diplomacy, with a long history of healthy commerce with the US and close ties to the north american people. This is the only sane response that one could give to such an announcement.
So much for peace and diplomacy. Looks like Lula is gonna retaliate and start a trade war with our second biggest trade partner even though we're exporters of commodities.
> Looks like
Rumours.
I approve the Itamaraty's reaction of not acknowledging the letter and sending it back.
Lacking a proper world leader, we the people must take the responsability of actually not negotiating with terrorists. We need to step up.
Rumours.
I approve the Itamaraty's reaction of not acknowledging the letter and sending it back.
Lacking a proper world leader, we the people must take the responsability of actually not negotiating with terrorists. We need to step up.
Lula said today that they will try to negotiate (how? Trump is asking something that you can't negotiate), and if the day comes the tariff starts, then Brazil will retaliate with another 50% back.
Trump has already threatened to retaliate if he does that. Said he'll throw whatever value Lula musters up right back at him on top of the 50%. If he does what you're saying, Trump is expected to make ours a 100% tariff.
He's also threatened to apply 100% tax on countries trying to replace USD as their reserve currency, which is exactly what Lula and his friends are once again threatening.
China has a lot of leverage due to the fact they manufacture the USA's technology. We sell commodities. Natural resources and soy.
He's also threatened to apply 100% tax on countries trying to replace USD as their reserve currency, which is exactly what Lula and his friends are once again threatening.
China has a lot of leverage due to the fact they manufacture the USA's technology. We sell commodities. Natural resources and soy.
Are you trying to name drop stuff to gauge how I keep interacting with this kind of discussion?
Maybe it's unconscious on your part, IDK. Do you understand what you're doing?
Maybe it's unconscious on your part, IDK. Do you understand what you're doing?
Sorry, didn't understand what are you saying...? Did you confuse me with another person?
Nope, that's for you.
I said "rumours". You jumped right in at it with more rumours and name dropping.
Are you doing it because you see other people doing or do you know what you're doing?
I said "rumours". You jumped right in at it with more rumours and name dropping.
Are you doing it because you see other people doing or do you know what you're doing?
I didn't mention any rumors. I talked about an interview Lula gave that I watched. Not sure why you are so stressed.
I understand, it's not intentional then.
I'm talking about foreign relations. That's why I mentioned the Itamaraty.
You're talking about news, media, interviews, etc.
You didn't noticed what my angle was, and you wanted to participate, but ended up talking about a different thing.
I'm talking about foreign relations. That's why I mentioned the Itamaraty.
You're talking about news, media, interviews, etc.
You didn't noticed what my angle was, and you wanted to participate, but ended up talking about a different thing.
So your point is president Lula's own statements are worthless and we should be discussing possible diplomatic backroom deals instead. Who's really discussing rumours here?
The only diplomacy I want to see is of the gunboat kind. The supreme court made it clear gunboat diplomacy was their condition for folding. They said something akin to "if they park an aircraft carrier next to us then we'll see". I would have loved to see that.
The only diplomacy I want to see is of the gunboat kind. The supreme court made it clear gunboat diplomacy was their condition for folding. They said something akin to "if they park an aircraft carrier next to us then we'll see". I would have loved to see that.
Perhaps I'm saying he trusts the Itamaraty with official information. Official diplomatic channels are the norm, not media theatrics (miles ahead of you, "do your art of the deal thing" was the first thing I said, you failed to see behind the nuance).
Perhaps I'm saying nothing about election politics, and I'm more worried about the longstanding brazillian diplomatic tradition.
Perhaps I knew someone would bring a specific discussion to this, and disarmed it beforehand (which is super weird, I agree, but within the realm of previsibility).
Let's put some possibilities on the table:
1. You have no knowledge about diplomacy. You think it's talking soft or something like that, and you're repeating things you heard from someone else.
2. You know what diplomacy is, and you're playing dumb.
2a. You know what diplomacy is, and you're playing dumb to provoke me into going into a discussion that clearly has no conclusion.
2b. You know what diplomacy is, and you're playing dumb because you're suspicious of the way I approached the subject outside of common narratives.
3. You understand as much of the dynamics as I do, but you're putting me in a situation that I need to explain it more pedanticly (totally fine, I already explained in a simple way before, so this would be dumb on your part).
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Which one is the closest to what you feel? Is there another one? Please, enlighten us. Don't be shy to assume option 1 if that's what it really is.
See? Cards on the table. Honesty. Try it, it's good.
Perhaps I'm saying nothing about election politics, and I'm more worried about the longstanding brazillian diplomatic tradition.
Perhaps I knew someone would bring a specific discussion to this, and disarmed it beforehand (which is super weird, I agree, but within the realm of previsibility).
Let's put some possibilities on the table:
1. You have no knowledge about diplomacy. You think it's talking soft or something like that, and you're repeating things you heard from someone else.
2. You know what diplomacy is, and you're playing dumb.
2a. You know what diplomacy is, and you're playing dumb to provoke me into going into a discussion that clearly has no conclusion.
2b. You know what diplomacy is, and you're playing dumb because you're suspicious of the way I approached the subject outside of common narratives.
3. You understand as much of the dynamics as I do, but you're putting me in a situation that I need to explain it more pedanticly (totally fine, I already explained in a simple way before, so this would be dumb on your part).
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Which one is the closest to what you feel? Is there another one? Please, enlighten us. Don't be shy to assume option 1 if that's what it really is.
See? Cards on the table. Honesty. Try it, it's good.
I don't have much knowledge about diplomatic channels and their dynamics. I'm only interested in this issue because it could provide a solution to the supreme court problem. Trump is putting pressure on Brazil; whether that's political, military, economic or diplomatic pressure seems like a minor detail. What matters to me is how that's going to change Brazil.
I'd appreciate a discussion about how the diplomats might contribute towards solving the judiciary dictatorship problem. I assume they would only act to preserve the status quo via negotiation and deescalation. That's the opposite of what I want them to do.
I'd appreciate a discussion about how the diplomats might contribute towards solving the judiciary dictatorship problem. I assume they would only act to preserve the status quo via negotiation and deescalation. That's the opposite of what I want them to do.
Honestly reading his post I'm having a hard time understanding what you are talking about.
> I said "rumours". You jumped right in at it with more rumours and name dropping.
that is what happens when someone agrees with your "rumour"?
weird interaction.
> I said "rumours". You jumped right in at it with more rumours and name dropping.
that is what happens when someone agrees with your "rumour"?
weird interaction.
This is most likely because you don't understand that I was approaching the subject from the foreign relations perspective.
I did gave a big hint though (mentioning the Itamaraty)! It was hard to miss, but somehow you missed it.
Of course it's weird. It is meant to bring this lesser known approach to a potential public that does not know much about it.
I did gave a big hint though (mentioning the Itamaraty)! It was hard to miss, but somehow you missed it.
Of course it's weird. It is meant to bring this lesser known approach to a potential public that does not know much about it.
It would be a better interaction if you made things more clear in place of thinking we thought too much about your way to write.
> I did gave a big hint though (mentioning the Itamaraty)! It was hard to miss, but somehow you missed it.
> I did gave a big hint though (mentioning the Itamaraty)! It was hard to miss, but somehow you missed it.
I approve the Itamaraty's reaction of not acknowledging the letter and sending it back.
Lacking a proper world leader, we the people must take the responsability of actually not negotiating with terrorists. We need to step up.
If you understood and agreed, why did you said it was weird?
If you didn't understood, why didn't you asked for clarification?
It seems that what you really missed was an opportunity to engage the interaction in a healthy way. Or maybe you missed an opportunity to listen more respectfully to the opinions of others.
Look how far you dragged this discussion out of scope. It's kind of obvious that you made a mistake.
If you didn't understood, why didn't you asked for clarification?
It seems that what you really missed was an opportunity to engage the interaction in a healthy way. Or maybe you missed an opportunity to listen more respectfully to the opinions of others.
Look how far you dragged this discussion out of scope. It's kind of obvious that you made a mistake.
> If you understood and agreed, why did you said it was weird?
I agreed with your first post, not the weird reply to someone that engaged with your post agreeing with you.
> Look how far you dragged this discussion out of scope. It's kind of obvious that you made a mistake.
That is exactly what I think you did with that reply.
I agreed with your first post, not the weird reply to someone that engaged with your post agreeing with you.
> Look how far you dragged this discussion out of scope. It's kind of obvious that you made a mistake.
That is exactly what I think you did with that reply.
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And there was much rejoicing. I waited years for this news. 50% is far too low! I pay nearly 100% taxes when I import products, american or otherwise.
I can't wait for the 50% reciprocal taxes on Big Tech, finally
Do it! Crush them with taxes to finance this circus we call a country. Hopefully they'll leave Brazil over it.
Hopefully!
Anyways. Fun would be if Lula goes for the run imposed by trump. Just tax imports from US by 200%, then trump goes 250. Add another 250% and so on.