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cleancoder0
·4년 전·discuss
So I read a bit more about Donetsk and Luhansk and while I can see the similarities where Ukraine = Serbia and NATO = Russia, unfortunately the similarities stop soon when you realize that Kosovo (= Luhansk or Donetsk), establishes a democratic society that includes Serbian minority by default in the government, where Donetsk and Luhansk start banning Ukranian passports, banishing Ukranians, massive antisemitism movements, and basically want to become dictatorships similar to Belarus.

Similarly, Ukranian army is not targeting Russian civilians in these regions and is not banishing them to Russia. There is no displacement of millions of Russians in Ukraine.

If you are trying to say "NATO bombing of Serbia is justified", therefore "Russia war against Ukraine should be too", therefore hypocrites, it does not really work.
cleancoder0
·4년 전·discuss
Abkhazia and South Ossetia declared independence and stayed independent.

Crimea for some reason was annexed, despite leadership in Crimea wanting the same status given to two countries mentioned above.
cleancoder0
·4년 전·discuss
> I found it odd that you thought I was talking about foreigners.

You mentioned that this cannot be said for a lot of EU countries. Turks born in EU do not have to learn German. Immigration within EU is free from language requirement too.

I do not even understand why do you think minorities not learning Serbian is impressive? Croatia and Kosovo both have schools that can use Serbian in their curriculum and no one is forcing Croatian on them. Similar things exist for Czech and Hungarian. No one is forcing these minorities to go to schools to learn Croatian.

> Didn't those two breakaway republics declare independence?

And were immediately annexed by Russia? How independent is that? Who's the new cultural head of these independent republics?
cleancoder0
·4년 전·discuss
> Also Milošević died in 2006.

Yeah, I guess he stopped existing in 2000 and had nothing to do with the peaceful referendum.

> Because it is the same, a territory within a country decided it wanted to be independent and it is supported by an outside imperial force.

How can you believe this? Which part of Ukraine declared independence? What country was supposed to be created out of this independence? Which leaders decided they wanted to create a new independent territory?

> I am not sure the same can be said for a lot of EU countries.

Well, if your country is in EU, the citizens of EU are not forced to learn any language, even if they live outside of their country of origin. Language requirements for non-EU exist due to EU being an extremely lucrative place to live. Moving to Serbia and trying to hop on social benefits will not be as lucrative, so language requirement for citizenship might be unnecessary.

> It guarantees us a seat in the parliament, you just have to pass a laughably low percentage of the general vote.

In Croatia and Kosovo, there is no low percentage threshold. You are automatically in. There's no reason to believe the threshold is achievable, given that people in general do not vote.
cleancoder0
·4년 전·discuss
Yeah, technically it was the head of Yugoslavia that started a war with Slovenia the moment it left the federation (after Croatia left too). Luckily, war lasted 10 days. Not Serbia, I guess.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten-Day_War

NATO bombing was not out of the blue. The head of Yugoslavia was a similar mad man (to Putin), just warring out of desperation. The best proof one has of his lunacy is the fact that Montenegro split from Serbia without any deaths. How did this happen? Due to the mad man dying in 2000. I'm pretty sure he would have enacted order by butchering civilians again, inside "his" borders.

Serbia is also the only country out of these conflicts that does not guarantee seat in the parliament for the exYugoslav minorities. Even though the leadership displayed aggression that was successfully deflected, the defenders made a deal to guarantee inclusion of the Serbian minority in the parliament (Croatia, Kosovo etc.)

Still, we have a country like Germany, that self-flagellates for decades and the sentiment of the majority is quite clear. While the general sentiment of people/press in Serbia is that NATO bombing is equivalent to Putin bombing Ukraine. and yeah, every now and then, the most popular Serbian (Monacoan) tennis player will say things like "Kosovo is Serbia" with complete indifference and still be the Jesus like figure his father makes him out to be.